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Post by mr on Dec 19, 2022 9:18:00 GMT
Well done the Argies and Messi who some on here reckoned he was past it recently........you were massively wrong! Past his best definitely. Past being able to perform on the biggest stage definitely not.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 19, 2022 9:28:27 GMT
If you really wanted the French to lose that was the most exquisite way to do it!
Two down, all hope fading and gifted a Spanish penalty that made the fouls on Kane and Saka look like grievous bodily harm, then a late in normal time equaliser to take to extra time, going a goal down to come back to three all, Mbappe getting his hatrick and then losing on penalties - if Carlsberg did schadenfreude π
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Post by whatsashig on Dec 19, 2022 10:41:24 GMT
Yep, corporate bellends and non-football people ruining a moment that shouldβve been iconic. Totally commercialised a moment in football history On r/soccer a Canadian who has been living in Qatar for 15 years said that the Emir giving Messi that robe was the highest honor he could bestow. The commenter said s/he gasped when it happened because it is such a rare and high honor. It was basically like the Emir knighting Messi. Not a commercial moment. I stand corrected, my ignorance, thank for the explanation
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 19, 2022 10:57:50 GMT
Best game I've ever seen. The world cup is just amazing.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 19, 2022 12:22:03 GMT
As a neutral who wasn't really bothered who won even though I probably wanted France to win it so we could say that we were beaten by the eventual world champions, I really enjoyed the game (I probably was swayed afterwards when the BBC interviewed a French supporter and he said he wasn't too bothered because "We beat England, which was more important", so that cancelled out my preference for them), Argentina deservedly won the most amazing, sensational WC game I've ever seen. It was crazy stuff packed with drama right until the final penalty was scored. And I don't think we will ever see the likes of it again. It also settled many things. Messi is the best player of his generation and Ronaldo can go and sit in his corner and sulk his arse off because this tournament has ended any talk of him being better than the little Argentinian genius. As an added bonus, we also got to see the probable genius of this generation of players in Mbappe. He's an amazing player.
And now to go into why many people hate the Argies.
I don't like the Argies because of that (even though I think he's the greatest player who ever played the game) cheat Maradona and not because they were forced to fight a war against us by that mad dictator, Galtieri, who had to do shit to save his arse. I didn't agree with the war at the time and I still think it was madness by two opposing mad people; Galtieri and Thatcher, to save their own skins. We lost some of our bravest and most precious members of our armed forces, which saddens me deeply. But our losses of 253 were counterbalanced by the loss of 650 lives on the Argentinian side. As always, it's ordinary people who die while politicians play politics.
So, leaving aside the politics, at the end I was pleased Argentina won it. After watching the 80 minutes of dross the French served up, any other result would have been a miscarriage of justice. Just one thing spoiled it for me. The antics of the Argentine goalie during the penalty shoot-out was disgusting. There should be a rule that if a 'keeper does stuff like that then he gets a straight red card. There's no doubt that the young French lad's missed penno was due to what the goalie had done. So, a red card and the penalty retaken and that would stop the shithousery.
Whatever, apart from that incident, the best team won and I feel blessed that I was able to watch the most sensational game in WC history.
OS.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 19, 2022 12:58:59 GMT
As a neutral who wasn't really bothered who won even though I probably wanted France to win it so we could say that we were beaten by the eventual world champions, I really enjoyed the game (I probably was swayed afterwards when the BBC interviewed a French supporter and he said he wasn't too bothered because "We beat England, which was more important", so that cancelled out my preference for them), Argentina deservedly won the most amazing, sensational WC game I've ever seen. It was crazy stuff packed with drama right until the final penalty was scored. And I don't think we will ever see the likes of it again. It also settled many things. Messi is the best player of his generation and Ronaldo can go and sit in his corner and sulk his arse off because this tournament has ended any talk of him being better than the little Argentinian genius. As an added bonus, we also got to see the probable genius of this generation of players in Mbappe. He's an amazing player. And now to go into why many people hate the Argies. I don't like the Argies because of that (even though I think he's the greatest player who ever played the game) cheat Maradona and not because they were forced to fight a war against us by that mad dictator, Galtieri, who had to do shit to save his arse. I didn't agree with the war at the time and I still think it was madness by two opposing mad people; Galtieri and Thatcher, to save their own skins. We lost some of our bravest and most precious members of our armed forces, which saddens me deeply. But our losses of 253 were counterbalanced by the loss of 650 lives on the Argentinian side. As always, it's ordinary people who die while politicians play politics. So, leaving aside the politics, at the end I was pleased Argentina won it. After watching the 80 minutes of dross the French served up, any other result would have been a miscarriage of justice. Just one thing spoiled it for me. The antics of the Argentine goalie during the penalty shoot-out was disgusting. There should be a rule that if a 'keeper does stuff like that then he gets a straight red card. There's no doubt that the young French lad's missed penno was due to what the goalie had done. So, a red card and the penalty retaken and that would stop the shithousery. Whatever, apart from that incident, the best team won and I feel blessed that I was able to watch the most sensational game in WC history. OS. Good post. Agree with all of that, particularly the goalkeeper. I actually saw an interview with him after the holland game where he was straight up calling the referee rubbish and that he wanted holland to win, to then telling van Gaal to shut up. There has to be some rules about how players behave, particularly in World Cup games - Iβd like to see more good sportsmanship in football in general - itβs the one thing I dislike about the modern game. Have to say that I donβt think there is a will to change anything from the top of the game, from diving to abusing referees / linesman etc - would be easy to eradicate this if we wanted to.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 19, 2022 13:02:28 GMT
It was sports washing at it's most ugliest. The moment was for Messi and Argentina NOT Qatar. Messi and Argentina were robbed of those iconic pictures, pictures he can never get back. Can you imagine how Bobby Moore would have felt if he had been forced to wear something similar covering the Three Lions badge when he lifted the trophy in '66? This was an absolute disgrace and Infantino should consider his position for being complicit in the whole sorry affair. While I know where youβre coming from and agree to an extent, I think the pictures will end up being all the more iconic for it. And Messi didnβt seem to care one bit tbf. But yeah it was a seriously arrogant, or at best a bad lack of judgement I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 19, 2022 13:11:04 GMT
While I know where youβre coming from and agree to an extent, I think the pictures will end up being all the more iconic for it. And Messi didnβt seem to care one bit tbf. But yeah it was a seriously arrogant, or at best a bad lack of judgement I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris Of course he is, heβs an ambassador for the Saudiβs
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2022 14:11:12 GMT
While I know where youβre coming from and agree to an extent, I think the pictures will end up being all the more iconic for it. And Messi didnβt seem to care one bit tbf. But yeah it was a seriously arrogant, or at best a bad lack of judgement I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? Also football is a team game and this little stunt placed all the focus on a single player.
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 19, 2022 14:34:14 GMT
Just seen a clip of Messi on the news lifting the trophy, why was he wearing a see through negligee? Culture. In 4 years time Harry Kane will have to lift it wearing one of them construction hats that fits two beer cans in, with an M16 assault rifle strapped to him like Rambo. Come on! We are co-hosting with Mexico and Canada. He'll have on a sombrero, be eating poutine and have and AR-15 strapped to him. If you want to rip the US at least do it right! ???
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2022 14:41:29 GMT
Apparently Donald Trump has tried to pass it off as one of his rallies......
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 19, 2022 14:50:34 GMT
I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? Also football is a team game and this little stunt placed all the focus on a single player. There are quite a few shots from last night, and certainly the one of Messi kissing the trophy after receiving his medal will go down in folklore. There is also another of him being held aloft by team mates (can't remember if he is holding the trophy or not). I'm not sure you can rationalise what's happening around you when you've just achieved your lifelong dream, but certainly if it was me I'd have politely removed the robe after receiving the trophy before going over to lift it in victory.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 19, 2022 14:55:52 GMT
Culture. In 4 years time Harry Kane will have to lift it wearing one of them construction hats that fits two beer cans in, with an M16 assault rifle strapped to him like Rambo. Come on!Β We are co-hosting with Mexico and Canada. He'll have on a sombrero, be eating poutine and have and AR-15 strapped to him. If you want to rip the US at least do it right!Β Β Β ??? I was saving the rootin' tootin' best for last! We all know that Bieber will have done the World Cup song and Danny Trejo will have voiced over the official introduction. Same old bloody yanks, showing up half way through, wanting all the glory... π
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 19, 2022 14:59:03 GMT
What's with the hand gesture they all do, a South American thing? Over to our correspondent PotterLogWhich one? The thing they do with one arm raised above the head and bent at the elbow? Not sure it has any special meaning, it's just what they do to accompany chanting and singing, a bit like we clap our hands above our heads I suppose. It looks quite impressive with everyone doing it in a full stand.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2022 15:01:13 GMT
No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? Also football is a team game and this little stunt placed all the focus on a single player. There are quite a few shots from last night, and certainly the one of Messi kissing the trophy after receiving his medal will go down in folklore. There is also another of him being held aloft by team mates (can't remember if he is holding the trophy or not). I'm not sure you can rationalise what's happening around you when you've just achieved your lifelong dream, but certainly if it was me I'd have politely removed the robe after receiving the trophy before going over to lift it in victory. Indeed. I bet you a pound to a penny that the pictures that Messi will have on his wall at home will be the ones without him wearing the cloak, just a shame he wont have any of him lifting the trophy without it and yes he was ambushed when they put it on him, what was he to do in that split second, refuse?
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Post by flea79 on Dec 19, 2022 15:02:29 GMT
On r/soccer a Canadian who has been living in Qatar for 15 years said that the Emir giving Messi that robe was the highest honor he could bestow. The commenter said s/he gasped when it happened because it is such a rare and high honor. It was basically like the Emir knighting Messi. Not a commercial moment. I stand corrected, my ignorance, thank for the explanation me too i thought the arab chappie was being kinky and putting him in a negligee!
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 19, 2022 15:03:04 GMT
I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? Also football is a team game and this little stunt placed all the focus on a single player. 100% bang on with that comment. Itβs actually a little bit cringeworthy some of the things Iβm reading - all seems to be about Messi, or at least itβs very skewed. The pictures with only him in the robe will always tell that story - a shame for the other players but kind of similar to what they did with Maradona. Anyway, whatever it is, glad itβs over now. I donβt enjoy watching Argentina (not just them but Uruguay and Italy too) thankfully wonβt need to bother for another 4 years
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 19, 2022 15:05:44 GMT
I actually donβt think it will age well. There was a time and place for him to put that on if he wanted to, it wasnβt when he went up to collect the trophy. All in all, a bit stupid from FIFA, but also from Messi - I get the feeling he is well and truly in the pockets of the Qataris No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? A captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nation's colours and a weird nightie
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2022 15:17:43 GMT
No I don't think it will age well either. How can anything be MORE iconic than a captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nations colours? A captain of a national football team lifting the World Cup trophy in his nation's colours and a weird nightie π
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Post by duckling on Dec 19, 2022 15:40:07 GMT
There are quite a few shots from last night, and certainly the one of Messi kissing the trophy after receiving his medal will go down in folklore. There is also another of him being held aloft by team mates (can't remember if he is holding the trophy or not). I'm not sure you can rationalise what's happening around you when you've just achieved your lifelong dream, but certainly if it was me I'd have politely removed the robe after receiving the trophy before going over to lift it in victory. Indeed. I bet you a pound to a penny that the pictures that Messi will have on his wall at home will be the ones without him wearing the cloak, just a shame he wont have any of him lifting the trophy without it and yes he was ambushed when they put it on him, what was he to do in that split second, refuse? FWIW on Messi's Instagram, his main victory photo doesn't have the robe, but there are two pictures that do. I have no idea whether he chose those pictures himself, or whether his marketing team did it for him. http://instagram.com/p/CmUv48DLvxd
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2022 16:01:42 GMT
Indeed. I bet you a pound to a penny that the pictures that Messi will have on his wall at home will be the ones without him wearing the cloak, just a shame he wont have any of him lifting the trophy without it and yes he was ambushed when they put it on him, what was he to do in that split second, refuse? FWIW on Messi's Instagram, his main victory photo doesn't have the robe, but there are two pictures that do. I have no idea whether he chose those pictures himself, or whether his marketing team did it for him. http://instagr.am/p/CmUv48DLvxd He doesn't have any other choice BUT to use the cloak ones for the lifting of the trophy does he? There isn't an alternative that exists. Such a shame.
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Post by thepottypotter on Dec 19, 2022 16:13:49 GMT
It is a Bisht. The body veil is a traditional Arabic cloak that has been worn by males for many thousands of years. Looks like sportswashing by the Qataris to try and deflect from this being one of the most controversial World Cups ever. Nothing to deflect from. Been a great tournament, well hosted and athe end of the day those who moaned and claimed to have boycotted made no difference to anything, whatsoever. Another tiny thing for some to yap about. Nice to know that you aren't concerned about the: - corruption, bribes and lies for Qatar to host in the first place - migrant workers' deaths and appalling conditions - lies throughout the tournament. The legacy of this World Cup will be that it will be remembered as one of the most controversial ever.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 19, 2022 16:19:31 GMT
Nothing to deflect from. Been a great tournament, well hosted and athe end of the day those who moaned and claimed to have boycotted made no difference to anything, whatsoever. Another tiny thing for some to yap about. Nice to know that you aren't concerned about the: - corruption, bribes and lies for Qatar to host in the first place - migrant workers' deaths and appalling conditions - lies throughout the tournament. The legacy of this World Cup will be that it will be remembered as one of the most controversial ever. Don't forget detaining/intimidating fans and journalists for wearing colourful t-shirts and the persecution of women and gay people. More "tiny things" for people to yap and moan about I suppose.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2022 20:19:41 GMT
Wow!! π―π―
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 19, 2022 20:21:07 GMT
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Dec 19, 2022 20:33:50 GMT
Aside from possibly Brazil,I can't think of another country where football,particularly the fortunes of the National team are so inextricably bound up with the Nation's cultural and economic identity and sense of prestige. No wonder SAF had attending Boca v River Plate on his bucket list after retirement.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Dec 19, 2022 20:34:26 GMT
Many reasons that prick Infantino should be ousted. But allowing (and probably encouraging) that debacle with the robe is right up there.
As others have said, he has taken away the iconic trophy lifting moment from history for many. And from Messi himself.
Great World Cup football wise, which had nothing to do with where it was being played.
The other thing that pisses me off is this obsession with creating bullshit records to prove that something is the best ever. The latest is that Messi scored in every round of the competition. Sky claim that he's the only player to ever do it. Despite Jairzinho scoring in EVERY game in 1970. They haven't even bothered with the excuse that there was no round of 16 then. Is this "record" to be expunged when they add the round of 32 next time?
Why can't people just marvel at something for what it is. Let the captain of the winning team lift the fucking trophy with his teammates in his kit, and recognise that he had a great WC without having to invent records.
(And this is said as someone who believes Messi is the greatest ever)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 20:43:27 GMT
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Post by apb1 on Dec 19, 2022 20:53:46 GMT
As a neutral who wasn't really bothered who won even though I probably wanted France to win it so we could say that we were beaten by the eventual world champions, I really enjoyed the game (I probably was swayed afterwards when the BBC interviewed a French supporter and he said he wasn't too bothered because "We beat England, which was more important", so that cancelled out my preference for them), Argentina deservedly won the most amazing, sensational WC game I've ever seen. It was crazy stuff packed with drama right until the final penalty was scored. And I don't think we will ever see the likes of it again. It also settled many things. Messi is the best player of his generation and Ronaldo can go and sit in his corner and sulk his arse off because this tournament has ended any talk of him being better than the little Argentinian genius. As an added bonus, we also got to see the probable genius of this generation of players in Mbappe. He's an amazing player. And now to go into why many people hate the Argies. I don't like the Argies because of that (even though I think he's the greatest player who ever played the game) cheat Maradona and not because they were forced to fight a war against us by that mad dictator, Galtieri, who had to do shit to save his arse. I didn't agree with the war at the time and I still think it was madness by two opposing mad people; Galtieri and Thatcher, to save their own skins. We lost some of our bravest and most precious members of our armed forces, which saddens me deeply. But our losses of 253 were counterbalanced by the loss of 650 lives on the Argentinian side. As always, it's ordinary people who die while politicians play politics. So, leaving aside the politics, at the end I was pleased Argentina won it. After watching the 80 minutes of dross the French served up, any other result would have been a miscarriage of justice. Just one thing spoiled it for me. The antics of the Argentine goalie during the penalty shoot-out was disgusting. There should be a rule that if a 'keeper does stuff like that then he gets a straight red card. There's no doubt that the young French lad's missed penno was due to what the goalie had done. So, a red card and the penalty retaken and that would stop the shithousery. Whatever, apart from that incident, the best team won and I feel blessed that I was able to watch the most sensational game in WC history. OS. Pretty much spot on OS.
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Post by duckling on Dec 19, 2022 23:15:39 GMT
I'm not sure you can rationalise what's happening around you when you've just achieved your lifelong dream, but certainly if it was me I'd have politely removed the robe after receiving the trophy before going over to lift it in victory. I don't think there was a way for Messi to politely remove the robe right after it was put on. The robe has cultural significance, and as a result religious significance. He would have offended hundreds of millions of people by removing the robe immediately. From a non-Arab perspective it was a tacky move, but from an Arab perspective it was a gesture of reverence and honor. The proper thing to do would have been to tell Messi about it in advance privately and give him the option of declining it. There was plenty of time while they were setting up the podium. But in an authoritarian culture like Qatar, I'm not sure it would cross anyone's mind that someone might want to decline such a high honor, nor might it cross their minds that someone should be given that choice.
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