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Post by independent on Dec 10, 2022 23:14:29 GMT
I think there was very little between the teams and England have missed a great opportunity to win the WC. Perhaps it is all written in the stars and maybe MESSI is fated to win a WC just to piss CR7 off.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 10, 2022 23:14:47 GMT
I've heard a few pundits mention that to be fair but it was never going to happen. I wasn't confident when he stepped up though Doesn't matter who stepped up. It's written in the stars that whoever took it would have missed. It's England, and that's how it is. We are perennial losers, amd there's always a feeling of injustice that goes with it to depress us even more. Like Wezzer has said earlier, I'm devastated and thoroughly pissed off with it all yet again, and I wish I didn't give a fuck about this fucking game. Completely this. Could he worse though. As i say to my brothers (Liverpool and Spurs fans), spending a lifetime as a Stoke fan at least gives you more practice than many are used to at being devastated because we're nearly but not quite. (Apart from the last half a dozen years where we're not even close....Stoke that is, but England's future is looking bright)
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Post by duckling on Dec 10, 2022 23:24:15 GMT
France are a world class team with world class players. England made them look very ordinary, to the point that they resorted to rough bully tactics to squeak out a win. No one should be criticizing England or calling for an overhaul on the basis of this result.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 10, 2022 23:31:57 GMT
Just never going to happen for us, is it? Better team tonight - first shouldn’t have stood and then we’ve switched off for 2 minutes. To have Morocco in the SF, what more could you want? And we somehow manage to lose.
Can’t knock anyone, and it’s clearly one of the best England sides ever but it’s another tournament we could/should have done better in. Next time out we probably haven’t got Kane and a few others. So frustrating. France aren’t better than us. Just know how to win the games you need to in order to be successful.
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Post by bigvern on Dec 10, 2022 23:35:55 GMT
Just never going to happen for us, is it? Better team tonight - first shouldn’t have stood and then we’ve switched off for 2 minutes. To have Morocco in the SF, what more could you want? And we somehow manage to lose. Can’t knock anyone, and it’s clearly one of the best England sides ever but it’s another tournament we could/should have done better in. Next time out we probably haven’t got Kane and a few others. So frustrating. France aren’t better than us. Just know how to win the games you need to in order to be successful. Exactly right. I've felt worse at major tournaments after defeat but I think this one is going to linger for a lot longer. A perfect mix of youth and experience.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 10, 2022 23:47:34 GMT
This one hurts more than any of the others.
No idea why. Got a very 2011 feel to it, though.
I'm 32, I've seen a play off promotion trophy and autoglass windscreen.
I crave a major trophy win. I want to know what that feels like. Its either an F.A cup or League cup with Stoke, or an International trophy.
Gutted.
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Post by independent on Dec 10, 2022 23:47:56 GMT
I like Southgate but as with the italy defeat if we had swapped managers England would have won. It's a credit to Gareth that he did as well as he did with Stones and Maguire and Pickford at the heart of the defence. We had the attackers to win the game but also the defenders to lose it.
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Post by independent on Dec 11, 2022 0:02:34 GMT
Look, we got every chance. If Harry had scored the pen. we would undoubtedly have won the game. It's nice to be nice but it's better to be honest. Harry bottled it. If the keeper had saved it near the corner, I would have said hard luck. The goal is 24 feet wide and you can practice every day if you wish. There is nobody on your heels as you shoot. Look at the good penaltys taken by other teams little known players who were under greater pressure than Harry was? What about Argentinas last penalty yesterday?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 0:03:42 GMT
Told yer Harry Kane was shit. 😉
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 11, 2022 0:05:26 GMT
Look, we got every chance. If Harry had scored the pen. we would undoubtedly have won the game. It's nice to be nice but it's better to be honest. Harry bottled it. If the keeper had saved it near the corner, I would have said hard luck. The goal is 24 feet wide and you can practice every day if you wish. There is nobody on your heels as you shoot. Look at the good penaltys taken by other teams little known players who were under greater pressure than Harry was? What about Argentinas last penalty yesterday? There have been lots of penalties missed in this tournament, and historically great players have missed penalties in major competitions. It happens.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 11, 2022 0:10:15 GMT
we were the better team tonight, but southgate isn't taking us anywhere, he's a nice bloke and figurehead, but he's no tactician is he??!
We were surprisingly aggressive tonight, but ffs we rotate the ball between the back 6 quite aimlessly. The only outlet for them was long, or if Henderson pulled out wide
pickford still isn't good enough (imo), no doubt Courtios for example would have saved the first goal, for one hes a foot taller, he had plenty of time to see it even after the legs Maguire, loyalty can be a fault. He's a mistake like tonight waiting to happen every game. Luckily we don't play games where we're not favourites very often.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 11, 2022 0:10:53 GMT
Told yer Harry Kane was shit. 😉 And thank God you were right about Pep Guardiola destroying Phil's career.
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Post by liathroid on Dec 11, 2022 0:11:12 GMT
Told yer Harry Kane was shit. 😉 you did
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 0:12:06 GMT
Told yer Harry Kane was shit. 😉 And thank God you were right about Pep Guardiola destroying Phil's career. He definitely held it back. Hopefully the FA sack Southgate now so he doesn’t hold it back further.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 11, 2022 0:17:12 GMT
I have not been convinced by Southgate but I really hope he stays on. I think this tournament shows he's developed considerably as a manager. We have have had big hitters like Capello, it doesn't necessarily work. This team did believe they could win this tournament and they have come very, very close imo. This is the best shape I have seen an England team in, and you have to give some credit to the manager for this. They were desperately unlucky tonight.
We have had top world class players before but they never looked as convincing as this, or as united. This doesn't just happen by accident. Grass is always greener on the other side though.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 11, 2022 0:19:13 GMT
I have not been convinced by Southgate but I really hope he stays on. I think this tournament shows he's developed considerably as a manager. We have have had big hitters like Capello, it doesn't necessarily work. This team did believe they could win this tournament and they have come very, very close imo. This is the best shape I have seen an England team in, and you have to give some credit to the manager for this. They were desperately unlucky tonight. We have had top world class players before but they never looked as convincing as this, or as united. This doesn't just happen by accident. being united and being excellent tactically shouldn't be exclusive. we have the best crop of talent in years and it's being held back by southgate, despite how much he's done.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 11, 2022 0:22:29 GMT
I have not been convinced by Southgate but I really hope he stays on. I think this tournament shows he's developed considerably as a manager. We have have had big hitters like Capello, it doesn't necessarily work. This team did believe they could win this tournament and they have come very, very close imo. This is the best shape I have seen an England team in, and you have to give some credit to the manager for this. They were desperately unlucky tonight. We have had top world class players before but they never looked as convincing as this, or as united. This doesn't just happen by accident. being united and being excellent tactically shouldn't be exclusive. we have the best crop of talent in years and it's being held back by southgate, despite how much he's done. Owen, Scholes, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard were all great players. They all bossed it in European football and what did that amount to? I would say Southgate has contributed to these players' development, he's not external to it, and these players also know it.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 11, 2022 0:56:14 GMT
Pressure pens, always go down the middle. The keeper will dive out the way. Smart footballers would know that. Smart teammates would tell Kane. I don’t think Kane should have taken that 2nd pen. We all said that in the pub, no way should Kane have been anywhere near that 2nd penalty... Far too many things will have been going through his head... Same way? Opposite way? Will Lloris go the same way? Will he stay in the middle this time? In the end he tried to just thundercunt it and got it as wrong as you could possibly imagine
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Post by Dr Hesham on Dec 11, 2022 1:03:38 GMT
I still cant find an explanation for how Stones wasted 2 minutes at the end of the game when the team needed every second, as long as you are alive just go outside and let the game continue.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 11, 2022 1:38:30 GMT
I don’t think Kane should have taken that 2nd pen. We all said that in the pub, no way should Kane have been anywhere near that 2nd penalty... Far too many things will have been going through his head... Same way? Opposite way? Will Lloris go the same way? Will he stay in the middle this time? In the end he tried to just thundercunt it and got it as wrong as you could possibly imagine If someone else had took it and missed there'd be hell up. And everyone wondering why Kane couldn't have took it
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 11, 2022 1:51:19 GMT
We all said that in the pub, no way should Kane have been anywhere near that 2nd penalty... Far too many things will have been going through his head... Same way? Opposite way? Will Lloris go the same way? Will he stay in the middle this time? In the end he tried to just thundercunt it and got it as wrong as you could possibly imagine If someone else had took it and missed there'd be hell up. And everyone wondering why Kane couldn't have took it "Why did you stop the lad on a hot streak"/"why didn't he use our best penalty taker?" It's easy in hindsight. I don't think giving it someone else was the obvious choice.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 11, 2022 2:04:40 GMT
If someone else had took it and missed there'd be hell up. And everyone wondering why Kane couldn't have took it "Why did you stop the lad on a hot streak"/"why didn't he use our best penalty taker?" It's easy in hindsight. I don't think giving it someone else was the obvious choice. It became obvious after he missed it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 11, 2022 2:25:43 GMT
And thank God you were right about Pep Guardiola destroying Phil's career. He definitely held it back. Hopefully the FA sack Southgate now so he doesn’t hold it back further. Held it back. Still, even now, talking shit about it
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 11, 2022 2:57:49 GMT
France are a world class team with world class players. England made them look very ordinary, to the point that they resorted to rough bully tactics to squeak out a win. No one should be criticizing England or calling for an overhaul on the basis of this result. An overhaul, maybe not. But once again we had it right there… and we let it slip away.
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Post by noustie on Dec 11, 2022 7:17:25 GMT
I've even had anti English staunch Scotsmen messaging me to admit England were the better team and blew it. There's no need for negativity, it's not like in the past when we've been found out technically, we've bossed large parts of that game and x have some excellent young players. We didn't deserve to lose, we just lack that killer instinct That was a private message sent in strictest fucking confidence you sasanach bastard!
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 11, 2022 8:31:13 GMT
France are a world class team with world class players. England made them look very ordinary, to the point that they resorted to rough bully tactics to squeak out a win. No one should be criticizing England or calling for an overhaul on the basis of this result. An overhaul, maybe not. But once again we had it right there… and we let it slip away. Knowing how to play is one skill. Knowing how to win is a different one
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 11, 2022 9:31:10 GMT
I think sometimes it is just randomness and bad luck, rather than sweeping things like the opposition's "winning mentality" or England not knowing how to win big games.
And these razor thin margins that decide close games every week in every league are allowed to define 4 more years of narratives.
I don't think they could have done much more - had the edge throughout and had them on the rack for a chunk of the second half.
Absolutely gutted
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 11, 2022 9:48:13 GMT
Clearly a foul before France scored their first! Saka should have got a freekick on the edge of their box. He also should have been given several freekicks during the game which the ref totally seemed to ignore! I actually thought England were the better team, but as often with us the victory went to the other team despite of that!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 11, 2022 9:55:28 GMT
I think sometimes it is just randomness and bad luck, rather than sweeping things like the opposition's "winning mentality" or England not knowing how to win big games. And these razor thin margins that decide close games every week in every league are allowed to define 4 more years of narratives. I don't think they could have done much more - had the edge throughout and had them on the rack for a chunk of the second half. Absolutely gutted Spot on, in the past, from 1970 onwards, we've been exposed at this stage for technical and tactical shortcomings. Even 2018, we tried to win a world cup without a midfield, and were totally exposed by Croatia. You can't say that now, we have a lot of talent with that technical ability. And it's fine margins. Look at Netherlands, they always have excellent players, they are always elite, they don't get much wrong, but can't quite win that trophy. Last night a stronger ref would have clamped down on the french tactical fouling in England in the transition, which was an obvious tactic they had ready. I thought England were harshly treated and weren't allowed to dominate the French as we looked like we could, because of the officiating. Even so, after a nervous first twenty minutes we created chances, bossed possession for the rest of the game. Foden, Bellingham, rice, Saka, all top level players who controlled the game. We'll always be contenders for the next few tournaments, English football is in a better place than ever before in my lifetime.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 11, 2022 10:58:10 GMT
Bottle jobs as usual. And Southgate has been helped out by favourable routes through other tournaments (including the worst German side in decades). He's incapable of outfoxing one of the top coaches.
Look at Morocco- they've just knocked out Spain and Portugal. When's the last time we knocked out ONE team of that stature from a tournament, let alone two?
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