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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 21:38:12 GMT
England, World Cup, Pens.
Just don't go together.
How many times now have we exited a World Cup because we missed a penalty?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 10, 2022 21:39:01 GMT
Not too disappointed as I just knew deep down it wasn’t going to happen. Call it pessimism, realism, I don’t care, it’s just how I feel with England and Stoke to a degree; the fuckers never fail to let you down, hence what’s the point in getting excited. All I wanted was a bit of fight and fair officiating, so one out of two ain’t bad I suppose. I do think England and the whole circus of us being unlucky, robbed etc needs to be looked at. How long can these excuses be trotted out for? Maybe a little more “carpe diem” is needed and players and managers grasp the nettle and own the outcome rather than allowing themselves to be at the mercy of what others do. Pretty much spot on that. There are always excuses made but what it boils down to is the same: just not good enough really. Would we have beaten Portugal like Morocco did? Probably not. It's always the same old 'bad luck' cries. It's like a religion.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 10, 2022 21:39:10 GMT
England, World Cup, Pens. Just don't go together. How many times now have we exited a World Cup because we missed a penalty? 4
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 21:39:41 GMT
Can't complain about 2 penalties, I mean how many penalties did we want? I'd prefer to see us score a proper goal. It's not easy for the officials when a puff of wind would take most of our lads down. Far too much crying wolf. 3 to answer your question, which was the 3 we should have had, and who knows, if the 3 fouls that should have been penalties didn't happen we just might have scored 3 proper goals as you call them.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 10, 2022 21:39:59 GMT
That's a real cop out. Thought we were edged out by a slightly better side. Might be in a minority of one but I thought the ref was ok The ref could't have done much more in the end. Wasn't his fault they couldn't score from open play or hit the target twice from 12 yards. Conspiracy re Brazilian refs now😉 Of course he would favour either France or England choosing France because Brazil are out ...that makes sense. Didn't take long. The ref was crap for both sides, England probably shouldn't have had the free kick chance at the end, Mbappe clearly tripped up and he gave nothing.
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 10, 2022 21:40:14 GMT
That's a real cop out. Thought we were edged out by a slightly better side. Might be in a minority of one but I thought the ref was ok Fair play, every right to your opinion and i respect that but....how is more possession, more shots, more shots on target and more corners being edged out by a better team? My point was more about criticism of the ref but I take your comments on board. I also saw the stats but thought they controlled the game better than we did
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 10, 2022 21:40:31 GMT
We were kicking on from Russia, we were kicking on from the Euros. How many more tournaments are going to be wasted? But we didn’t turn up when it mattered in Russia or last year. We turned up tonight, we actually played well. We didn’t go cautious, we tried to play to our strengths and not stop the other team. That’s why it feels different. Same end result though and that's why the FA should seriously consider his position. Overall he's done a really good job in rebuilding the bridges between the team and the press and the team and the fans and has created a good environment. You can clearly see that from the outside. Some of the criticism he's got over the years has been harsh and wrong. It's about winning tournaments though and we have finally got the players to do it, yet we end up losing every one. We were the better team tonight, did a job and a half on MBappe yet we walk again away with absolutely nothing despite restricting France to very little. It's about tiny, tiny margins and Southgate has sadly proven he doesn't have it in him to get those margins. Time to be ruthless.
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Post by franklin on Dec 10, 2022 21:40:32 GMT
I thought it a bit of a strange one taking Saka off he was just getting going imho. He looked knackered to me tbh. He wasn't getting back enough and leaving us exposed. Maybe but when Sterling came on that threat disappeared but fair do's
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2022 21:41:45 GMT
Pretty much spot on that. There are always excuses made but what it boils down to is the same: just not good enough really. Would we have beaten Portugal like Morocco did? Probably not. It's always the same old 'bad luck' cries. It's like a religion. We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2022 21:43:53 GMT
He looked knackered to me tbh. He wasn't getting back enough and leaving us exposed. Maybe but when Sterling came on that threat disappeared but fair do's My heart sank when Sterling came on. Should have told him to stay in the U.K.
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Post by liathroid on Dec 10, 2022 21:44:00 GMT
But we didn’t turn up when it mattered in Russia or last year. We turned up tonight, we actually played well. We didn’t go cautious, we tried to play to our strengths and not stop the other team. That’s why it feels different. Same end result though and that's why the FA should seriously consider his position. Overall he's done a really good job in rebuilding the bridges between the team and the press and the team and the fans and has created a good environment. You can clearly see that from the outside. Some of the criticism he's got over the years has been harsh and wrong. It's about winning tournaments though and we have finally got the players to do it, yet we end up losing every one. We were the better team tonight, did a job and a half on MBappe yet we walk again away with absolutely nothing despite restricting France to very little. It's about tiny, tiny margins and Southgate has sadly proven he doesn't have it in him to get those margins. Time to be ruthless. sack the cunt, its easy to say
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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2022 21:44:13 GMT
It's always the same old 'bad luck' cries. It's like a religion. We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better Yep, couldn't understand Mount coming on, why not Grealish
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 21:44:27 GMT
Hope to fuck Morocco 🇲🇦 win it We will then be saying, "How can Morocco win the WC and we can't"?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2022 21:45:02 GMT
But we didn’t turn up when it mattered in Russia or last year. We turned up tonight, we actually played well. We didn’t go cautious, we tried to play to our strengths and not stop the other team. That’s why it feels different. Same end result though and that's why the FA should seriously consider his position. Overall he's done a really good job in rebuilding the bridges between the team and the press and the team and the fans and has created a good environment. You can clearly see that from the outside. Some of the criticism he's got over the years has been harsh and wrong. It's about winning tournaments though and we have finally got the players to do it, yet we end up losing every one. We were the better team tonight, did a job and a half on MBappe yet we walk again away with absolutely nothing despite restricting France to very little. It's about tiny, tiny margins and Southgate has sadly proven he doesn't have it in him to get those margins. Time to be ruthless. Have we got the players? Have we got the best keeper? Have we got the best defence? Have we got the best midfield? Best forwards? Best player in the world? Or… Have we got one of the best squads because of the work Southgate has done? Are they playing for him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 21:45:44 GMT
It's always the same old 'bad luck' cries. It's like a religion. We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better Replace him with who Badge? Genuine question, not being a dick, cuz when you look at it, he's been "successful" as far as England managers of the past are concerned.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 10, 2022 21:47:46 GMT
It's always the same old 'bad luck' cries. It's like a religion. We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better Playing well is irrelevant if you don't score more goals. That's the object of the game. 'the better team' is a football cliche. A losing tennis player doesn't claim to be the better player, who was just unlucky because the ball happened to land in the wrong places.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2022 21:47:58 GMT
We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better Replace him with who Badge? Genuine question, not being a dick, cuz when you look at it, he's been "successful" as far as England managers of the past are concerned. Been saying for two years solid. Brendan Rogers Is the man. Without a doubt
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 10, 2022 21:49:13 GMT
Fair play, every right to your opinion and i respect that but....how is more possession, more shots, more shots on target and more corners being edged out by a better team? My point was more about criticism of the ref but I take your comments on board. I also saw the stats but thought they controlled the game better than we did But they didn't really control any part of the game? Don't get me wrong, it was basically 2 chances, both from nothing and 2 goals so fair play for them being clinical, but they didn't control anything at any point in the game. Apart from the 2 goals (which are obviously the most important stats admittedly) France barely did anything full stop, let alone contorolled anything
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Post by chad on Dec 10, 2022 21:50:18 GMT
At the end of the day we played 4 mediocre sides. Won 3 drew 1. We played one good side and lost
Every time. We’re good. But we’re not good enough
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2022 21:51:09 GMT
We played well, it was nothing to do with mentality. These lads have a good mentality and when Southgate goes well get better Playing well is irrelevant if you don't score more goals. That's the object of the game. 'the better team' is a football cliche. A losing tennis player doesn't claim to be the better player, who was just unlucky because the ball happened to land in the wrong places. I’m merely saying it’s good to go out playing well rather than the previous depressing exits. I’m no Southgate fan but I can appreciate when we play well. For what it’s worth I think Southgate should go and be replaced by Brendan Rodgers
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Post by bigvern on Dec 10, 2022 21:51:54 GMT
At the end of the day we played 4 mediocre sides. Won 3 drew 1. We played one good side and lost Every time. We’re good. But we’re not good enough A bit harsh but ultimately correct.
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Post by franklin on Dec 10, 2022 21:53:05 GMT
Same end result though and that's why the FA should seriously consider his position. Overall he's done a really good job in rebuilding the bridges between the team and the press and the team and the fans and has created a good environment. You can clearly see that from the outside. Some of the criticism he's got over the years has been harsh and wrong. It's about winning tournaments though and we have finally got the players to do it, yet we end up losing every one. We were the better team tonight, did a job and a half on MBappe yet we walk again away with absolutely nothing despite restricting France to very little. It's about tiny, tiny margins and Southgate has sadly proven he doesn't have it in him to get those margins. Time to be ruthless. Have we got the players? Have we got the best keeper? Have we got the best defence? Have we got the best midfield? Best forwards? Best player in the world? Or… Have we got one of the best squads because of the work Southgate has done? Are they playing for him? To be fair by the looks of it he might jack in anyway he's considering his position.
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Post by pavel on Dec 10, 2022 21:55:11 GMT
But we didn’t turn up when it mattered in Russia or last year. We turned up tonight, we actually played well. We didn’t go cautious, we tried to play to our strengths and not stop the other team. That’s why it feels different. Same end result though and that's why the FA should seriously consider his position. Overall he's done a really good job in rebuilding the bridges between the team and the press and the team and the fans and has created a good environment. You can clearly see that from the outside. Some of the criticism he's got over the years has been harsh and wrong. It's about winning tournaments though and we have finally got the players to do it, yet we end up losing every one. We were the better team tonight, did a job and a half on MBappe yet we walk again away with absolutely nothing despite restricting France to very little. It's about tiny, tiny margins and Southgate has sadly proven he doesn't have it in him to get those margins. Time to be ruthless. All managers have their time, and it’s his, he’s built great foundations in many ways, now we need change and more flexibility, adventure and as you say ruthlessness. His bringing on Sterling is an example, too loyal and too predictable. But his record has been better than many of our managers of the golden generation.
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Post by Davef on Dec 10, 2022 21:55:34 GMT
Ah well Didnt have the courage to try grealish or maddison but found 20 mins fir teachers Pets very sad another golden opportunity squandered with the best squad in the tournament No other manager would have taken sakha off he was running them ragged but back to the real business now and the mess Alex Neil is making of.stoke city Brendan Rogers for me in the USA southgate admittance job but the final step seems beyond him And there you go. You've gobbed off for two weeks about how England were going to walk the tournament and when it inevitably goes tits up you've got all the answers in hindsight. Who knows, maybe by the time the next World Cup comes around you'll be able to construct a post in legible English?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 10, 2022 21:56:08 GMT
Playing well is irrelevant if you don't score more goals. That's the object of the game. 'the better team' is a football cliche. A losing tennis player doesn't claim to be the better player, who was just unlucky because the ball happened to land in the wrong places. I’m merely saying it’s good to go out playing well rather than the previous depressing exits. I’m no Southgate fan but I can appreciate when we play well. For what it’s worth I think Southgate should go and be replaced by Brendan Rodgers I take your point. Rogers is a good shout. The FA are very particular though.
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Post by rivival on Dec 10, 2022 21:57:15 GMT
Who was this Mbappe bloke they had apart from one cross did he have a kick.
No doubt the ref was shit, but as an England player you have to expect that, how many examples and hard luck stories do we have to look at.
We were slow out of the blocks and yet again looked nervous up till they scored. After they scored we were the better side but in games of that magnitude you have to hit the target and thats what they did and we didnt.
Not sure I'll be here for another world cup, hope I am but until we stop accommodating players just because they play for certain teams we will never win. Bringing Grealish on with 2 mins of extra time left was pathetic he deserved a better chance to affect the game than that.
A good tournament manager? sure he does well but a winner he certainly isn't. The question is do we have anyone any better and at this moment I don't think we do. To be a winner you have to have a certain amount of swagger about you, a confidence that you are good enough to win, a belief that NO ONE is better than you. We (England) from the manager down lack that swagger the only one I see who has it is Bellinham.
A good effort, could have done better. Sounds like my school report. lol
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2022 21:59:17 GMT
Have we got the players? Have we got the best keeper? Have we got the best defence? Have we got the best midfield? Best forwards? Best player in the world? Or… Have we got one of the best squads because of the work Southgate has done? Are they playing for him? To be fair by the looks of it he might jack in anyway he's considering his position. Fair point - He did look and sound more dejected in his post match interview than before. I suspect the target was the Semis again as the minimum which might be a starting pint for those conversations. However he’s won me over this tournament and I wouldn’t mind him staying m. I wanted him gone but he seems to have learnt a bit more and despite going out in the quarters I do think the performance against a decent team has improved and the willingness to play to our strengths was a pleasant surprise.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 10, 2022 22:00:02 GMT
Replace him with who Badge? Genuine question, not being a dick, cuz when you look at it, he's been "successful" as far as England managers of the past are concerned. Been saying for two years solid. Brendan Rogers Is the man. Without a doubt Who bottled the title when it was Liverpool’s to lose? Who had Leicester top 4 for most of the season then again choked it and missed out on the Champions League? If we’re gonna dump Southgate, it needs to be an upgrade not more of the same.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 10, 2022 22:01:00 GMT
He looked knackered to me tbh. He wasn't getting back enough and leaving us exposed. Maybe but when Sterling came on that threat disappeared but fair do's Yeah the mount/sterling substitution was Southgate's worst decision today for me. I don't really get it.
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Post by werrington on Dec 10, 2022 22:02:34 GMT
The ref wasn't great but we had no goals in open play, and two penalties, and one missed. Nothing to do with luck. Not good enough. We were the better side, we were unlucky. No need for negativity, we had a good tournament. Unfortunately we played the best side in the world, outplayed them and lost. Shit happens Realism is lost on some An excellent post
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