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Post by werrington on Dec 10, 2022 22:04:42 GMT
Anyway as football goes I’m absolutely fucking devastated
Night all
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 10, 2022 22:08:49 GMT
I've even had anti English staunch Scotsmen messaging me to admit England were the better team and blew it.
There's no need for negativity, it's not like in the past when we've been found out technically, we've bossed large parts of that game and x have some excellent young players.
We didn't deserve to lose, we just lack that killer instinct
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Post by thevoid on Dec 10, 2022 22:09:44 GMT
Have we got the players? Have we got the best keeper? Have we got the best defence? Have we got the best midfield? Best forwards? Best player in the world? Or… Have we got one of the best squads because of the work Southgate has done? Are they playing for him? To be fair by the looks of it he might jack in anyway he's considering his position. He needs to go. Nice bloke but not a winner.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 10, 2022 22:09:51 GMT
I would. I think he's brilliant, but for this game only I would I don’t understand the thinking there. He can do everything. I wouldn’t mind if he played 3 at the back but Henderson would have to go for me, even though I think he’s class too. Yeah I was wrong on this. We went toe to toe with them and were the better side. Just unlucky
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 10, 2022 22:10:16 GMT
I'd stick with Southgate for another tournament. He's done well and fostered a great togetherness within the squad of players.
Depends how good you think our players actually are really. We are great in attacking and midfield but defence? Average at best. Probably a top 5 squad on the whole?
I think the 2 sides tonight were very similarly matched and it could easily have gone either way.
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Post by independent on Dec 10, 2022 22:10:57 GMT
We have some very good players but also some very poor ones and a few more like mount,grealish and maddison who are overrated. Gareth is a very nice guy, but not good enough. Who we can get who is better is a tricky question. After the ITALY defeat I said if the managers had been swopped that England would have won. I would say the same after tonight's game.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2022 22:11:31 GMT
Ah well Didnt have the courage to try grealish or maddison but found 20 mins fir teachers Pets very sad another golden opportunity squandered with the best squad in the tournament No other manager would have taken sakha off he was running them ragged but back to the real business now and the mess Alex Neil is making of.stoke city Brendan Rogers for me in the USA southgate admittance job but the final step seems beyond him And there you go. You've gobbed off for two weeks about how England were going to walk the tournament and when it inevitably goes tits up you've got all the answers in hindsight. Who knows, maybe by the time the next World Cup comes around you'll be able to construct a post in legible English? Oh hear ill try in English for the USA and lerhssl you could develop a sense fo irony and humour by the too and we can have a virtual stateside bromamce or even before that in Europe in 2024 x
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Post by Davef on Dec 10, 2022 22:15:19 GMT
And there you go. You've gobbed off for two weeks about how England were going to walk the tournament and when it inevitably goes tits up you've got all the answers in hindsight. Who knows, maybe by the time the next World Cup comes around you'll be able to construct a post in legible English? Oh hear ill try in English for the USA and lerhssl you could develop a sense fo irony and humour by the too and we can have a virtual stateside bromamce or even before that in Europe in 2024 x You're an idiot.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 10, 2022 22:15:40 GMT
And there you go. You've gobbed off for two weeks about how England were going to walk the tournament and when it inevitably goes tits up you've got all the answers in hindsight. Who knows, maybe by the time the next World Cup comes around you'll be able to construct a post in legible English? Oh hear ill try in English for the USA and lerhssl you could develop a sense fo irony and humour by the too and we can have a virtual stateside bromamce or even before that in Europe in 2024 x That is not a great start if you want to achieve coherent English in four years time benji.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 10, 2022 22:15:42 GMT
I'd stick with Southgate for another tournament. He's done well and fostered a great togetherness within the squad of players. Depends how good you think our players actually are really. We are great in attacking and midfield but defence? Average at best. Probably a top 5 squad on the whole? I think the 2 sides tonight were very similarly matched and it could easily have gone either way. That's how I feel. If Southgate had pussied out and switched it up to sit back like Vs Croatia or Italy I would be all on the Southgate out wagon. He's done very well at this tournament given our glaring defensive weaknesses. I'm positive on him right now but I'm also drunk.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 10, 2022 22:16:34 GMT
Southgate is ok, but he’s only really achieving on-par results with the players he has if you ask me. Modern English players are as good technically as the best of them, so quarter finals is the minimum.
Personally I’d like to see someone who has more belief in the players and someone who’ll not only look to limit the opposition but set up to boss games and have a real go at teams. I’m not sure who there is out there so for now I think we should stick with him, but I doubt he’ll ever win anything. Once Kanes legs go we lose our best player too.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2022 22:19:38 GMT
Oh hear ill try in English for the USA and lerhssl you could develop a sense fo irony and humour by the too and we can have a virtual stateside bromamce or even before that in Europe in 2024 x You're an idiot. In English Breaking news. Man in glass house throws stones.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 10, 2022 22:22:00 GMT
I'd stick with Southgate but who the hell am I to tell anyone who to hire as a manager? I'm a Stoke fan ffs!
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Post by Davef on Dec 10, 2022 22:22:38 GMT
In English Breaking news. Man in glass house throws stones. Go to bed, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2022 22:24:55 GMT
In English Breaking news. Man in glass house throws stones. Go to bed, you're embarrassing yourself. Oe if us us calling people names on a message Board just think that through before calling bedtime
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 10, 2022 22:25:51 GMT
In English Breaking news. Man in glass house throws stones. Go to bed, you're embarrassing yourself. Not as much as yeswilko
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Post by redstriper on Dec 10, 2022 22:26:42 GMT
I was absolutely fuming with southgate after the euros final, his tactics and caution cost us that, and he should have gone then. But, i don't think he's got much wrong in this one to be fair.
Though i'd like to see foden in a more central or roaming role, as he, bellingham, and declan rice are the key players to build the team around for next time.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 10, 2022 22:28:21 GMT
Go to bed, you're embarrassing yourself. Oe if us us calling people names on a message Board just think that through before calling bedtime Because it's quite clear that the other one can barely type English words. Sleep it off benj, you're talking shit again.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2022 22:29:19 GMT
Oe if us us calling people names on a message Board just think that through before calling bedtime Because it's quite clear that the other one can barely type English words. Sleep it off benj, you're talking shit again. Never touch a drop.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 10, 2022 22:30:00 GMT
Because it's quite clear that the other one can barely type English words. Sleep it off benj, you're talking shit again. Never touch a drop. I'd have stuck to the booze as an excuse if i were you mate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 22:34:14 GMT
Just heard Eni Aluko suggest maybe England should’ve used a different player for the 2nd penalty given the added pressure and mind games of being up against his own teammate, but I think that’s utter nonsense. Imagine if someone else had taken it and missed? There would be a national inquest.
Kane was the man but it was just a regrettable moment where the pressure got to him. It happens. Aluko’s suggestion is a classic case of hindsight bias.
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Post by bigvern on Dec 10, 2022 22:39:51 GMT
Just heard Eni Aluko suggest maybe England should’ve used a different player for the 2nd penalty given the added pressure and mind games of being up against his own teammate, but I think that’s utter nonsense. Imagine if someone else had taken it and missed? There would be a national inquest. Kane was the man but it was just a regrettable moment where the pressure got to him. It happens. Aluko’s suggestion is a classic case of hindsight bias. I've heard a few pundits mention that to be fair but it was never going to happen. I wasn't confident when he stepped up though
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 10, 2022 22:41:10 GMT
Listening to 5 live and people talking absolute bollocks.
Slagging the players and Southgate off.
Utter bollocks.
We played well, lost a game of fine margins.
We can hold our head up high.
Croatia and Morocco final please.
Mbappe laughing after the penalty. The ultimate tosser.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2022 22:43:40 GMT
I'd stick with Southgate for another tournament. He's done well and fostered a great togetherness within the squad of players. Depends how good you think our players actually are really. We are great in attacking and midfield but defence? Average at best. Probably a top 5 squad on the whole? I think the 2 sides tonight were very similarly matched and it could easily have gone either way. Difficult one, isn't it. He's got us playing in a way where we don't look out of place against good sides, which we always used to: able to keep the ball, technically better players and the culture around the squad is better too. But I do wonder if a new face to build on that is now needed and another tournament with Southgate would see diminishing returns. No idea who would replace him though or who is talked about as our next manager. Ancelotti would be my choice but could the FA get him, or even try?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2022 22:46:43 GMT
Listening to 5 live and people talking absolute bollocks. Slagging the players and Southgate off. Utter bollocks. We played well, lost a game of fine margins. We can hold our head up high. Croatia and Morocco final please. Mbappe laughing after the penalty. The ultimate tosser. Absolutely, Southgate interview shows why the FA love him a beacon of dignity, player loyalty and sporting integrity. He and they have represented the country admirably.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 22:50:20 GMT
Just heard Eni Aluko suggest maybe England should’ve used a different player for the 2nd penalty given the added pressure and mind games of being up against his own teammate, but I think that’s utter nonsense. Imagine if someone else had taken it and missed? There would be a national inquest. Kane was the man but it was just a regrettable moment where the pressure got to him. It happens. Aluko’s suggestion is a classic case of hindsight bias. I've heard a few pundits mention that to be fair but it was never going to happen. I wasn't confident when he stepped up though Doesn't matter who stepped up. It's written in the stars that whoever took it would have missed. It's England, and that's how it is. We are perennial losers, amd there's always a feeling of injustice that goes with it to depress us even more. Like Wezzer has said earlier, I'm devastated and thoroughly pissed off with it all yet again, and I wish I didn't give a fuck about this fucking game.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 10, 2022 22:50:55 GMT
I think the most depressing thing is that despite exiting the tournament in the group stage at each of the last two tournaments, we all know that Germany are far more likely to win the thing before we do.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 10, 2022 23:07:34 GMT
Listening to 5 live and people talking absolute bollocks. Slagging the players and Southgate off. Utter bollocks. We played well, lost a game of fine margins. We can hold our head up high. Croatia and Morocco final please. Mbappe laughing after the penalty. The ultimate tosser. Especially considering he did what everyone always accuses the entire England side of i.e. first team of any quality he played against and was basically totally anonymous. P.S. no-one can accuse England of that tonight. Put him in the Prem and he wouldn't get anywhere close to Haaland in terms of goals (which is why he won't come here) Won't stop the media wanking over him though unfortunately. Edit: just seen he had an xG of 0.0 tonight
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Post by proudstokie on Dec 10, 2022 23:08:03 GMT
I just don’t get the the Southgate love in! Yes we were unlucky but we never really put a limited French defence under any sustained pressure, we relied on penalty calls and given the talent we have at our disposal we never laid a glove.
Whenever I’ve seen Giroud at our place, Shawcross made him look like a sh*t Andy Carroll! We spent the first half treating France like Royalty, when we finally believed, we looked like we could do something but we’d wasted 45 mins at this point, supported by a ref who’d look at home in the championship!!
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Post by Gods on Dec 10, 2022 23:09:07 GMT
Can't complain about 2 penalties, I mean how many penalties did we want? I'd prefer to see us score a proper goal. It's not easy for the officials when a puff of wind would take most of our lads down. Far too much crying wolf. 3 to answer your question, which was the 3 we should have had, and who knows, if the 3 fouls that should have been penalties didn't happen we just might have scored 3 proper goals as you call them. I very much doubt we would have scored from the situations in any of the 3 alleged penalties.
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