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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2022 7:52:27 GMT
Tyrese himself could mention it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 6, 2022 7:58:06 GMT
Even a look at the stats (at least if transfermarkt is accurate) shows he scores at better than a 1-in-2 ratio when he's playing wide, and pretty much 1-in-3 down the middle.
Can't expect Neil to know everything, but surely that's got to be communicated to him somehow when we're looking for wide options and before he does a 'woe-is-me, we've got no wide options for a back 4' quote.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 6, 2022 8:01:24 GMT
Even a look at the stats (at least if transfermarkt is accurate) shows he scores at better than a 1-in-2 ratio when he's playing wide, and pretty much 1-in-3 down the middle. Can't expect Neil to know everything, but surely that's got to be communicated to him somehow when we're looking for wide options and before he does a 'woe-is-me, we've got no wide options for a back 4' quote. All feels like a total,lack of preparation
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 6, 2022 8:42:39 GMT
Bonham Flint Jagielka Fox Fosu Baker Smallbone Thompson Gayle Delap Brown
Gone for experience in the defence - the youngsters are costing us at the moment, particularly Wilmot.
Not sure Campbell and Powell are at the fitness levels required by Neil and although he's no spring chicken Gayle puts on more of a shift.
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Post by werrington on Sept 6, 2022 8:44:17 GMT
Tyrese himself could mention it? Or Rory
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 6, 2022 8:45:35 GMT
I think after a week training & drilling in his ideas, we need to see some improvement and reasonably coherent performance, to at least give us some encouragement that things will start to get better?.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 6, 2022 8:47:24 GMT
I am mystified as to why Thompson doesn't start more often. By & large he has never let us down and the tempo of his passing, often forward, is as good as any, even Baker, who by and large only passes backwards or sideways.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 6, 2022 8:50:03 GMT
Bonham
Wilmot Flint Taylor Fox
Thompson Baker
Brown Powell Fosu
Delap
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 6, 2022 8:58:54 GMT
I am mystified as to why Thompson doesn't start more often. By & large he has never let us down and the tempo of his passing, often forward, is as good as any, even Baker, who by and large only passes backwards or sideways. Probably because he's not good enough and all he offers is to get in the way now and then, we need to speed up our passing etc and he'd just continue to slow it down. He was awful when he came on completely wasting a good chance to put the ball into the box by messing about taking too many touches.
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Post by Davef on Sept 6, 2022 9:04:56 GMT
Having been already shit-binned for my thread posting "my burning question" . I dread saying too much just in case we incur another loss against Luton. Threads like that are why the Shit Bin was invented.
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 6, 2022 9:05:52 GMT
please dont have lewis baker sitting again
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 6, 2022 9:06:16 GMT
Bonham Flint Jagielka Fox Fosu Baker Smallbone Thompson Gayle Delap Brown Gone for experience in the defence - the youngsters are costing us at the moment, particularly Wilmot. Not sure Campbell and Powell are at the fitness levels required by Neil and although he's no spring chicken Gayle puts on more of a shift. That must be the slowest back three in the history of football and what youngsters are you talking about other than Wilmot who is hardly wet behind the ears. We would be prone to the simple ball over the top! Why should Bonham get a reprieve after that schoolboy howler? Why persist with Smallbone who kills momentum and mostly goes backwards?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 6, 2022 9:08:13 GMT
please dont have lewis baker sitting again Can't see who else does it until Laurent is back.
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 6, 2022 9:09:49 GMT
please dont have lewis baker sitting again Can't see who else does it until Laurent is back. Jordan Thompson
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 6, 2022 9:26:11 GMT
Can't see who else does it until Laurent is back. Jordan Thompson May as well not have anyone doing it if he's the solution 😂
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 6, 2022 9:49:27 GMT
please dont have lewis baker sitting again Can't see who else does it until Laurent is back. Have we had any update on Laurent?
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Post by windows1 on Sept 6, 2022 9:50:43 GMT
Not sure why AN is over complicating things already, his team on saturday was the worst concoction of the season, by some way. Keep it fucking simple until we have our decent players back.
Bonham - stay in your goal, kick it long, save the ball. Thats your job.
Fosu - for me he's our best player Flint - head, kick, defend. Wilmot - think he's been ok so far Fox - if you get the ball, pass it to the closest stoke player. No 40 yard passes. Defend and try not to fuck up
Baker - shot on sight Thompson - run around and stay in the middle of the pitch Powell - give me 50 minutes
Delap - im sure the lad would be more effective out wide a little. He gets marked out the game. Campbell - much better out wide also Brown - shit footballer but hes a nightmare playing as a number 9, and he does tend to crop up and score afew.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 6, 2022 10:19:34 GMT
May as well not have anyone doing it if he's the solution 😂 He's the best we have to do an impression of a DM at this moment and allows baker to get further forward. I don't see much option Powell and Smallbone in a central midfield 3 let me find a blanket to hide under.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 6, 2022 10:34:02 GMT
Bonham Flint Jagielka Fox Fosu Baker Smallbone Thompson Gayle Delap Brown Gone for experience in the defence - the youngsters are costing us at the moment, particularly Wilmot. Not sure Campbell and Powell are at the fitness levels required by Neil and although he's no spring chicken Gayle puts on more of a shift. That must be the slowest back three in the history of football and what youngsters are you talking about other than Wilmot who is hardly wet behind the ears. We would be prone to the simple ball over the top! Why should Bonham get a reprieve after that schoolboy howler? Why persist with Smallbone who kills momentum and mostly goes backwards? Taylor has had a dodgy spell in nearly every game he has played this season and had a mare against Swansea. Wilmot is 22 - which is still young for a CB and has been pretty awful all season including having a hand in the last 3 goals we've conceded. We won't get away with a high line with that back three but experienced centre backs can cover their loss of pace through positioning and reading the game. Wilmot hardly contributed in terms of cutting out the ball over the top and that was down to positioning and awareness rather than pace. Bonham made a stupid mistake last week but he's way ahead of Bursik in the basics of goalkeeping. Bursik really needs to develop his game on loan not cost us points learning his trade in our first team. Smallbone has looked quite good in terms of linking up play. The alternative in that position is Powell who is only just coming back from injury and I'd be very surprised if he gets a starting slot after his glacial cameo against Reading.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 6, 2022 10:39:40 GMT
That must be the slowest back three in the history of football and what youngsters are you talking about other than Wilmot who is hardly wet behind the ears. We would be prone to the simple ball over the top! Why should Bonham get a reprieve after that schoolboy howler? Why persist with Smallbone who kills momentum and mostly goes backwards? Taylor has had a dodgy spell in nearly every game he has played this season and had a mare against Swansea. Wilmot is 22 - which is still young for a CB and has been pretty awful all season including having a hand in the last 3 goals we've conceded. We won't get away with a high line with that back three but experienced centre backs can cover their loss of pace through positioning and reading the game. Wilmot hardly contributed in terms of cutting out the ball over the top and that was down to positioning and awareness rather than pace.Bonham made a stupid mistake last week but he's way ahead of Bursik in the basics of goalkeeping. Bursik really needs to develop his game on loan not cost us points learning his trade in our first team. Smallbone has looked quite good in terms of linking up play. The alternative in that position is Powell who is only just coming back from injury and I'd be very surprised if he gets a starting slot after his glacial cameo against Reading. How's he meant to have done that most of the time he's been in the other half of the pitch. People are talking about his positioning like he's been playing to the same brief as Flint ie sit in and defend, go up for set pieces. Was his positioning wrong for the penalty he gave away covering Flint's space because he'd gone off on a fools errand?
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 6, 2022 10:47:29 GMT
That must be the slowest back three in the history of football and what youngsters are you talking about other than Wilmot who is hardly wet behind the ears. We would be prone to the simple ball over the top! Why should Bonham get a reprieve after that schoolboy howler? Why persist with Smallbone who kills momentum and mostly goes backwards? Taylor has had a dodgy spell in nearly every game he has played this season and had a mare against Swansea. Wilmot is 22 - which is still young for a CB and has been pretty awful all season including having a hand in the last 3 goals we've conceded. We won't get away with a high line with that back three but experienced centre backs can cover their loss of pace through positioning and reading the game. Wilmot hardly contributed in terms of cutting out the ball over the top and that was down to positioning and awareness rather than pace. Bonham made a stupid mistake last week but he's way ahead of Bursik in the basics of goalkeeping. Bursik really needs to develop his game on loan not cost us points learning his trade in our first team. Smallbone has looked quite good in terms of linking up play. The alternative in that position is Powell who is only just coming back from injury and I'd be very surprised if he gets a starting slot after his glacial cameo against Reading. Well it is all a matter of opinion. IMO Taylor has been in most games the pick of the back three. OK against Swansea was not his best but he was no worse than Flint, Fox or Clucas. IMO opinion against Reading proved it was a mistake to drop him. Smallbone has not played well since the second game when we beat Blackpool. He mostly goes backwards, he will not be seen once Powell is match fit. If Bursik had done what Bonham did he would have been dropped. IMO Bursik is fine he just needs people to believe and restore his confidence. IMO Bonham is not way ahead of Bursik.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 6, 2022 12:31:09 GMT
May as well not have anyone doing it if he's the solution 😂 He's the best we have to do an impression of a DM at this moment and allows baker to get further forward. I don't see much option Powell and Smallbone in a central midfield 3 let me find a blanket to hide under. Personally I'd drop the flat midfield three to accommodate Powell so he can play further up the pitch. I don't think we're losing too much having Baker sitting as he isn't particualy that creative anyway, it's how deep he's been sitting for me, not sure there's a need for him to be along side the defenders when the oppo have it in the middle. The injured players can't come back soon enough.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 6, 2022 12:35:23 GMT
He's the best we have to do an impression of a DM at this moment and allows baker to get further forward. I don't see much option Powell and Smallbone in a central midfield 3 let me find a blanket to hide under. Personally I'd drop the flat midfield three to accommodate Powell so he can play further up the pitch. I don't think we're losing too much having Baker sitting as he isn't particualy that creative anyway, it's how deep he's been sitting for me, not sure there's a need for him to be along side the defenders when the oppo have it in the middle. The injured players can't come back soon enough. We haven't played a flat three.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 6, 2022 12:45:30 GMT
Personally I'd drop the flat midfield three to accommodate Powell so he can play further up the pitch. I don't think we're losing too much having Baker sitting as he isn't particualy that creative anyway, it's how deep he's been sitting for me, not sure there's a need for him to be along side the defenders when the oppo have it in the middle. The injured players can't come back soon enough. We haven't played a flat three. Fair enough, a crap way of describing it, I mean I think we'd be better 4-2-3-1 with Powell as the middle of the three.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 6, 2022 13:00:51 GMT
We haven't played a flat three. Fair enough, a crap way of describing it, I mean I think we'd be better 4-2-3-1 with Powell as the middle of the three. Who knows I just think we're going to be a bit shit whatever we do until we get some players back. IMO out of the most likely back 4, 3 of them are carthorses. The sheilding two are lightweight to say the least Baker Thompson probably the best pairing we could muster. Beyond that I think you can perm/interchange any of our players to come up with something that could be effective. Shaky foundations is I think the best way to describe it but I have no better suggestions.
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 6, 2022 13:08:29 GMT
May as well not have anyone doing it if he's the solution 😂 He's the best we have to do an impression of a DM at this moment and allows baker to get further forward. I don't see much option Powell and Smallbone in a central midfield 3 let me find a blanket to hide under. He’s a non entity of a player
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 6, 2022 13:18:17 GMT
He's the best we have to do an impression of a DM at this moment and allows baker to get further forward. I don't see much option Powell and Smallbone in a central midfield 3 let me find a blanket to hide under. He’s a non entity of a player For covering and tackling who do we have fit who's better?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 13:32:58 GMT
That must be the slowest back three in the history of football and what youngsters are you talking about other than Wilmot who is hardly wet behind the ears. We would be prone to the simple ball over the top! Why should Bonham get a reprieve after that schoolboy howler? Why persist with Smallbone who kills momentum and mostly goes backwards? Taylor has had a dodgy spell in nearly every game he has played this season and had a mare against Swansea. Wilmot is 22 - which is still young for a CB and has been pretty awful all season including having a hand in the last 3 goals we've conceded. We won't get away with a high line with that back three but experienced centre backs can cover their loss of pace through positioning and reading the game. Wilmot hardly contributed in terms of cutting out the ball over the top and that was down to positioning and awareness rather than pace. Bonham made a stupid mistake last week but he's way ahead of Bursik in the basics of goalkeeping. Bursik really needs to develop his game on loan not cost us points learning his trade in our first team. Smallbone has looked quite good in terms of linking up play. The alternative in that position is Powell who is only just coming back from injury and I'd be very surprised if he gets a starting slot after his glacial cameo against Reading. Yep agree re Taylor and shouldn't be in. Wouldn't say Bonham is way ahead but certainly the best we have although not a great boast. The mistake aside v Reading, he's been ok and shouldn't be dropped on the basis of that as bringing Bursik back solves nothing.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 6, 2022 13:43:00 GMT
Hopefully a new goalie then a load of average championship players, a couple of div one level players all in various positions not all in the positions they’ve played most of their careers.
How’s that sound?
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 6, 2022 13:50:14 GMT
He’s a non entity of a player For covering and tackling who do we have fit who's better? I know what you mean but he’s a nothing player , doesn’t do anything particular well
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