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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 14:36:24 GMT
Think Sterling said he wouldn't be in contention until the Hull game at the earliest. I don't think I could pick Flint. I need a break from him That's what I read,so I left Sterling out for that reason. I thought Wilmot was appalling yesterday defensively. I know he scored but he's paid to defend and the amount of times that he is caught out of position in a game drives me up the wall. If we weren't so stretched I would drop him! He's paid to carry out the instructions of the manager not play to your dated interpretation of the game. Do you honestly think for a minute that if he was told to sit in and defend and didn't follow those instructions he wouldn't get hooked for the way he is playing or selected for the next game. He's doing as asked and doing it pretty well despite making some mistakes, maybe if he wasn't asked to do so much he'd make less mistakes.
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Post by AlliG on Sept 5, 2022 14:48:11 GMT
After the last selection, I reckon he'll pick this team: Bursik Brown Jagielka Flint Fox Delap Baker Smallbone Wilmot Powell Tyrese Wright-Philips. OS. Had to count the number of players you had in that team, just to make sure you weren't sticking yourself at centre-forward.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 5, 2022 15:30:50 GMT
Bonham Wilmot Taylor Jags Fox Thompson Baker Powell Brown Delap Campbell Sub Gayle for Campbell and that’s what I would go for as well. I would start Gayle if he's available but with the hamstring issues I doubt he will be.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 5, 2022 15:34:47 GMT
That's what I read,so I left Sterling out for that reason. I thought Wilmot was appalling yesterday defensively. I know he scored but he's paid to defend and the amount of times that he is caught out of position in a game drives me up the wall. If we weren't so stretched I would drop him! He's paid to carry out the instructions of the manager not play to your dated interpretation of the game. Do you honestly think for a minute that if he was told to sit in and defend and didn't follow those instructions he wouldn't get hooked for the way he is playing or selected for the next game. He's doing as asked and doing it pretty well despite making some mistakes, maybe if he wasn't asked to do so much he'd make less mistakes. What's dated about asking a defender to get the right side of his man and read the game properly. He was a big part of conceding both goals yesterday and it's certainly not the first time he's been caught of position. You have nearly 5000 posts in about 18 months spouting absolute bollocks. Are you sure you're not another Bayern alias?😎
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 5, 2022 15:36:36 GMT
Wilmot Taylor Jagielka Fox Baker Thompson Powell Campbell DWP Fosu Delap Football doesn't have to be a complicated game. Its a little more complicated without a keeper. Not much between them so didn't pick one.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 15:49:43 GMT
Bonham Wilmott Taylor Flint Fox Baker Thompson Brown Powell Wright-Phillips Delap Spot on that team for me Has to bring dwp ,Thompson and Taylor back🤞
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 5, 2022 15:52:37 GMT
Let's see what the chicken bones come up with, I'm not sure whether I'm glad or not I'm away on holiday for this one. Yeah flying back from Dubai so will find the score out when I land. Will feel strange not being at a game/keeping up with the score in real time.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 15:55:51 GMT
He's paid to carry out the instructions of the manager not play to your dated interpretation of the game. Do you honestly think for a minute that if he was told to sit in and defend and didn't follow those instructions he wouldn't get hooked for the way he is playing or selected for the next game. He's doing as asked and doing it pretty well despite making some mistakes, maybe if he wasn't asked to do so much he'd make less mistakes. What's dated about asking a defender to get the right side of his man and read the game properly. He was a big part of conceding both goals yesterday and it's certainly not the first time he's been caught of position. You have nearly 5000 posts in about 18 months spouting absolute bollocks. Are you sure you're not another Bayern alias?😎 He’s retired mate I guess he’s bored
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 15:58:41 GMT
He's paid to carry out the instructions of the manager not play to your dated interpretation of the game. Do you honestly think for a minute that if he was told to sit in and defend and didn't follow those instructions he wouldn't get hooked for the way he is playing or selected for the next game. He's doing as asked and doing it pretty well despite making some mistakes, maybe if he wasn't asked to do so much he'd make less mistakes. What's dated about asking a defender to get the right side of his man and read the game properly. He was a big part of conceding both goals yesterday and it's certainly not the first time he's been caught of position. You have nearly 5000 posts in about 18 months spouting absolute bollocks. Are you sure you're not another Bayern alias?😎 As I said you get out of position a lot more when you're asked to do more than sit in and defend, note the penalty he was covering Flint's space after he'd had a rush of blood and couldn't make what he set out to do(one foray out of the defensive line barring set pieces how many times did Wilmot get forward??). Why is it absolute bollocks does nobody see the same I'd try taking a look at player ratings in the Sentinel before you trap off any further. Pretty sure I've always been quite a high volume poster but sometimes people like you are abusive, you abuse them back and hey ho post count zero.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 5, 2022 16:01:30 GMT
Bonham
Wilmot Taylor Jagielka Fox
Baker Thompson
Powell
Brown Delap Gayle
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 5, 2022 16:14:10 GMT
Bonham Wilmot Taylor Jagielka Fox Baker Thompson Powell Brown Delap Gayle Fosu. For Wilmot. Campbell for Brown.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 5, 2022 16:15:11 GMT
What's dated about asking a defender to get the right side of his man and read the game properly. He was a big part of conceding both goals yesterday and it's certainly not the first time he's been caught of position. You have nearly 5000 posts in about 18 months spouting absolute bollocks. Are you sure you're not another Bayern alias?😎 As I said you get out of position a lot more when you're asked to do more than sit in and defend, note the penalty he was covering Flint's space after he'd had a rush of blood and couldn't make what he set out to do(one foray out of the defensive line barring set pieces how many times did Wilmot get forward??). Why is it absolute bollocks does nobody see the same I'd try taking a look at player ratings in the Sentinel before you trap off any further. Pretty sure I've always been quite a high volume poster but sometimes people like you are abusive, you abuse them back and hey ho post count zero. Why would u need to look at the sentinel to see that Wilmot had a stinker when I watched the game myself. I've been going to Stoke games since 1979. I think I'm quite capable of seeing things for myself and having my own opinions thanks for your comments by the way.😎
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 16:16:09 GMT
Bonham Wilmot Taylor Jagielka Fox Baker Thompson Powell Brown Delap Gayle Fosu. For Wilmot Yeah because he offered the team less going forward as a WB than Wilmot did as a CB.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 16:23:58 GMT
As I said you get out of position a lot more when you're asked to do more than sit in and defend, note the penalty he was covering Flint's space after he'd had a rush of blood and couldn't make what he set out to do(one foray out of the defensive line barring set pieces how many times did Wilmot get forward??). Why is it absolute bollocks does nobody see the same I'd try taking a look at player ratings in the Sentinel before you trap off any further. Pretty sure I've always been quite a high volume poster but sometimes people like you are abusive, you abuse them back and hey ho post count zero. Why would u need to look at the sentinel to see that Wilmot had a stinker when I watched the game myself. I've been going to Stoke games since 1979. I think I'm quite capable of seeing things for myself and having my own opinions thanks for your comments by the way.😎 He didn't have a stinker he made a few errors in an otherwise 9/10 performance because all you want to judge is the errors. Being as you don't want to look he was given 6/10 highest in the team so obviously others can see what you refuse to. What part of if Neil didn't want him charging up the pitch he'd sub him off or not pick him for the next game don't you get? He'll be one of his first names on the team sheet for the next game be that at CB or RB because he has mobility and ability to deal with the ball that non of our other defenders possess.
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Post by Ron on Sept 5, 2022 16:29:39 GMT
Fielding ( can he be any worse)
Fosu Taylor jagielka fox
Baker Kilkenny ( if fit) Powell
Brown delap Gayle
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 5, 2022 16:44:08 GMT
Why would u need to look at the sentinel to see that Wilmot had a stinker when I watched the game myself. I've been going to Stoke games since 1979. I think I'm quite capable of seeing things for myself and having my own opinions thanks for your comments by the way.😎 He didn't have a stinker he made a few errors in an otherwise 9/10 performance because all you want to judge is the errors. Being as you don't want to look he was given 6/10 highest in the team so obviously others can see what you refuse to. What part of if Neil didn't want him charging up the pitch he'd sub him off or not pick him for the next game don't you get? He'll be one of his first names on the team sheet for the next game be that at CB or RB because he has mobility and ability to deal with the ball that non of our other defenders possess. Is he your lad by any chance as you seem extremely blinkered as far as his ability is concerned. If you do know him could you please ask him to use his mobility you speak of to get the right side of his man just once or twice a game would be a start and as far as a nine out ten performance bar a FEW mistakes. You must live in cloud cuckoo land 🤠
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 16:47:29 GMT
He didn't have a stinker he made a few errors in an otherwise 9/10 performance because all you want to judge is the errors. Being as you don't want to look he was given 6/10 highest in the team so obviously others can see what you refuse to. What part of if Neil didn't want him charging up the pitch he'd sub him off or not pick him for the next game don't you get? He'll be one of his first names on the team sheet for the next game be that at CB or RB because he has mobility and ability to deal with the ball that non of our other defenders possess. Is he your lad by any chance as you seem extremely blinkered as far as his ability is concerned. If you do know him could you please ask him to use his mobility you speak of to get the right side of his man just once or twice a game would be a start and as far as a nine out ten performance bar a FEW mistakes. You must live in cloud cuckoo land 🤠 Yeah sure you'd be happier with the other slow head it and kick it out merchants we've have for defenders. EDIT: No I don't know him. Blinkered is when you think Taylor or any of our other defenders has more ability.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 16:52:30 GMT
Bonham Wilmott Taylor Flint Fox Baker Thompson Brown Powell Wright-Phillips Delap Out of the line ups I’ve seen so far I like the make up of this one. It’s just horrible watching Baker being hamstrung by defensive duties though, we need a way of getting the best out of Baker and Powell whilst also having sufficient protection for a hideous back four. Laurent might ease that problem somewhat but I’m not sure he can fulfill the protection role on his own. The alternative is to go with a straight up 433 with Baker, Laurent and Powell in midfield with two wide forwards and a striker. We’re slightly caught between a rock and a hard place I think.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 17:01:03 GMT
Bonham Wilmott Taylor Flint Fox Baker Thompson Brown Powell Wright-Phillips Delap Out of the line ups I’ve seen so far I like the make up of this one. It’s just horrible watching Baker being hamstrung by defensive duties though, we need a way of getting the best out of Baker and Powell whilst also having sufficient protection for a hideous back four. Laurent might ease that problem somewhat but I’m not sure he can fulfill the protection role on his own. The alternative is to go with a straight up 433 with Baker, Laurent and Powell in midfield with two wide forwards and a striker. We’re slightly caught between a rock and a hard place I think. Even Powell is not ideal for a 433 if you let him play as an AM it's basically 4231. It's giving you a headache what to do with your best player but Laurent Baker Kilkenny or Laurent Baker Thompson fit the formation better.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 17:03:48 GMT
Out of the line ups I’ve seen so far I like the make up of this one. It’s just horrible watching Baker being hamstrung by defensive duties though, we need a way of getting the best out of Baker and Powell whilst also having sufficient protection for a hideous back four. Laurent might ease that problem somewhat but I’m not sure he can fulfill the protection role on his own. The alternative is to go with a straight up 433 with Baker, Laurent and Powell in midfield with two wide forwards and a striker. We’re slightly caught between a rock and a hard place I think. Even Powell is not ideal for a 433 if you let him play as an AM it's basically 4231. It's giving you a headache what to do with your best player but Laurent Baker Kilkenny or Laurent Baker Thompson fit the formation better. Was thinking more of Laurent holding with Baker and Powell sharing the attacking midfield duties. Granted this leaves us somewhat exposed to counter attacks and we’d need to be absolutely at it from minute one to make it work. It’s a bit of a quandary to say the least
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 17:17:37 GMT
Even Powell is not ideal for a 433 if you let him play as an AM it's basically 4231. It's giving you a headache what to do with your best player but Laurent Baker Kilkenny or Laurent Baker Thompson fit the formation better. Was thinking more of Laurent holding with Baker and Powell sharing the attacking midfield duties. Granted this leaves us somewhat exposed to counter attacks and we’d need to be absolutely at it from minute one to make it work. It’s a bit of a quandary to say the least It's the hangover from MON's "You don't need physicality in midfield in the championship" bollocks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 17:19:08 GMT
Was thinking more of Laurent holding with Baker and Powell sharing the attacking midfield duties. Granted this leaves us somewhat exposed to counter attacks and we’d need to be absolutely at it from minute one to make it work. It’s a bit of a quandary to say the least It's the hangover from MON's "You don't need physicality in midfield in the championship" bollocks. Absolutely spot on, and nearly everyone else can see it. Hopefully Neil identifies this quickly and earmarks some reinforcements in January
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 5, 2022 17:37:15 GMT
Brown wide right doesn't work and Campbell shouldn't be starting, so we should go 442 with Delap and Brown upfront. Or OS if he's up for it Bonham Fosu (Sterling when fit) Wilmot Flint (Souttar when fit) Fox (Tymon when fit) Baker Smallbone Powell Thompson (Laurent when fit) Delap Brown Campbell DWP Taylor Kilkenny Sparrow Bursik Jags
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 5, 2022 17:38:03 GMT
......................Bonham.................... Wilmot........Taylor.........Jags..........Fox .....................Thompson................... .............Baker.............Powell........... Campbell...............Delap..............Brown I still prefer Bonham to Bursik! If Sterling is ready I will play him and replace Jags with Wilmot. How far off from being fit are Laurent, Killkenny, Gayle, Tymon, Clarke and Souttar? Out of interest, why would you prefer Bonham to Bursik? I wouldn't entertain Bonham for a second and if Fielding isn't deemed fit for a game then Bursik has to start. He's young, should get better and if he doesn't we should be able to command some kind of fee for him given his "reputation". Bonham is and always will be crap. Bursik, with a bit of confidence, might just improve. I'm not convinced he will by any stretch of the imagination but he's more likely to morph into a competent keeper than Bonham is ever likely to. Because I think he is the better goalkeeper of the two. Commands his box better, is a better size as well, and has had more good games than Bursik lately. Apart from the first goal on Sunday he has been OK, nothing extraordinary, but OK.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 17:51:24 GMT
Brown wide right doesn't work and Campbell shouldn't be starting, so we should go 442 with Delap and Brown upfront. Or OS if he's up for it Bonham Fosu (Sterling when fit) Wilmot Flint (Souttar when fit) Fox (Tymon when fit) Baker Smallbone Powell Thompson (Laurent when fit) Delap Brown Campbell DWP Taylor Kilkenny Sparrow Bursik Jags Wow I can't wait for "when fit". We might actually be able to defend without doing an impression of the last stand at the Alamo.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 5, 2022 18:01:30 GMT
Is he your lad by any chance as you seem extremely blinkered as far as his ability is concerned. If you do know him could you please ask him to use his mobility you speak of to get the right side of his man just once or twice a game would be a start and as far as a nine out ten performance bar a FEW mistakes. You must live in cloud cuckoo land 🤠 Yeah sure you'd be happier with the other slow head it and kick it out merchants we've have for defenders. EDIT: No I don't know him. Blinkered is when you think Taylor or any of our other defenders has more ability. Well only time will tell but in my opinion for what it's worth would be that I think Taylor will have a better career as a CB than Wilmot will.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 5, 2022 18:04:17 GMT
Well and with the packed fixture-schedule, there's always rotation to consider. So someone we "like" may end up sitting for a game just so we don't blow their engine. I'm starting not to get too upset over lineups for individual matches, given this grind and still believe that AN will sort it. He's going to have a couple of "swing and misses" as he sorts through this squad. The last match being an example.
Would love for something to "click" and we beat the tar out of Nathan's Travelling Tent Revival & Medicine Show but a simple win would be a welcome tonic either way.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 5, 2022 18:07:37 GMT
Think Sterling said he wouldn't be in contention until the Hull game at the earliest. I don't think I could pick Flint. I need a break from him As shaky as he has looked defensively the last two games, the only way we have looked like scoring are by crosses to the back post for him to head back across. His performance against Blackburn says that he can be good but he looks best as a backs to the wall defender
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 18:08:21 GMT
Well and with the packed fixture-schedule, there's always rotation to consider. So someone we "like" may end up sitting for a game just so we don't blow their engine. I'm starting not to get too upset over lineups for individual matches, given this grind and still believe that AN will sort it. He's going to have a couple of "swing and misses" as he sorts through this squad. The last match being an example. Would love for something to "click" and we beat the tar out of Nathan's Travelling Tent Revival & Medicine Show but a simple win would be a welcome tonic either way. Well said Clodster
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 18:10:12 GMT
Yeah sure you'd be happier with the other slow head it and kick it out merchants we've have for defenders. EDIT: No I don't know him. Blinkered is when you think Taylor or any of our other defenders has more ability. Well only time will tell but in my opinion for what it's worth would be that I think Taylor will have a better career as a CB than Wilmot will. He'll be lucky to become a Stoke regular. I think any predictions of him at a higher level are pretty funny unless big slow lumps heading it and kicking it out come back into vogue.
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