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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 25, 2022 15:27:50 GMT
6/10
Average overall, but we've had so many worse.
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2022 15:29:26 GMT
I strongly suspect his greatest work was behind the scenes, taking a total right off write-off of a squad, first rescuing us from doing a Bolton/Sunderland and then turning into one with potential which was only hinted at all too rarely. Regrettably it appears he lacked the tactical nuance to build a promotion contending match day team, including in game management.
I think he's knackered and disappointed, and if his post match comments have been interpreted this way by the Board, then he simply had to go, for damage limitation as much as anything else. A charitable 7 from me.
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Post by buckoscfc on Aug 25, 2022 15:29:42 GMT
6.5/10
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 25, 2022 15:30:32 GMT
His biggest measure surely has to be results, and results should translate into progress. Despite a solid start, he plateaued and hasn’t shown any signs of being able to step up a gear from where we now are. I think 7 is generous. 6 perhaps at a stretch, more likely a 5 for me over his entire tenure. I’m glad he didn’t turn into a figure of hate in the stands though. He didn’t deserve that. 7 may well be generous and possibly a 6 is a fairer score. But similarly I believe scores 5 and below are a bit low when judging the whole tenure. It feels like a 6 might be the average so far, looking at the responses.
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Post by stokeson on Aug 25, 2022 15:31:46 GMT
+6 for keeping us up -3 for playing Clucas......
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 25, 2022 15:33:36 GMT
7/10
Good: Kept us up Always put the long term future of the club first Bought the youth through Sorted out FFP Generally a decent bloke 39% win percentage, best in a long time Overall ok-good transfers Had terrible luck with injuries to key players at key times consecutively Open, honest and happy to front up to the fans
Not so good: Needed a better plan b Needed more cover in transfers Needed help in post match interviews in managing fans expectations by the club Loan moves had mixed success at best Needs to improve game management
Still maintain I think this will be a mistake long term
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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 25, 2022 15:33:54 GMT
6.5
Kept us up, cleared out a lot of dead wood and used some youngsters.
On the pitch it just never took off enough.
With the sort of money wasted by previous managers he might well have found the few extra recruits for the gaps in the squad.
Good luck to him, did a difficult job for us at a very difficult time (on arrival).
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Post by femark on Aug 25, 2022 15:35:33 GMT
6.5 kept us up and sorted the club out massively. Unfortunately couldn't build a team to challenge for the play off spots.
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2022 15:37:37 GMT
I'll add one more thing - he has massively helped the Board (and Scholes) to get out of jail. They owe him their professional reputations.
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Post by Gods on Aug 25, 2022 15:41:47 GMT
I strongly suspect his greatest work was behind the scenes, taking a total right off of a squad, first rescuing us from doing a Bolton/Sunderland and then turning into one with potential which was only hinted at all too rarely. Regrettably it appears he lacked the tactical nuance to build a promotion contending match day team, including in game management. I think he's knackered and disappointed, and if his post match comments have been interpreted this way by the Board, then he simply had to go, for damage limitation as much as anything else. A charitable 7 from me. Far be it from me to correct an academic but I believe the phrase is 'write off' xx
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 25, 2022 15:45:11 GMT
5 and I think that’s generous
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 25, 2022 15:48:38 GMT
great start but was going down bank every season after that 5
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Post by Goonie on Aug 25, 2022 15:50:46 GMT
A generosity of spirit in the ratings on this thread I was not anticipating. Just to be perfectly clear, we are marking out of 10 not 100 It's like not speaking ill of the dead, a few rose tinted specks too A 4 overall seems reasonable
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Post by salopian on Aug 25, 2022 15:52:22 GMT
4 - Just glad it's over! Don't want to reflect on it other then kept us up initially. But after that just felt we were North Ireland each week regardless who we were up against be it home or away!
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Post by southstanddan on Aug 25, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
5.
I appreciate the staying up of course but the last few weeks is the least excited I have ever been about match day
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Post by deeside2 on Aug 25, 2022 15:55:00 GMT
Great rescue act in the first season but after that failed miserably to make any impact or improvement. A few green shoots but overall extremely disappointing and frustrating. He should have been replaced at the end of last season as it was clear he was out of his depth.
4
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Post by ColonelMustard on Aug 25, 2022 15:57:44 GMT
7
The club is in a state I couldnt have imagined a few years ago. We got two strokes of luck appointing ONeil and covid value write downs.
Oneil, however, didnt get much luck but he contributed to by getting stubborn. So blind to reality he couldnt see.
I can only give 7 as an exile that doesnt go to many games and have to endure poor performances week on week out. So my perspective is less match day based.
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Post by bangorstokie on Aug 25, 2022 16:01:35 GMT
4 Stubborn, tactically clueless, way out of his depth regarding the Championship. Trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He had to go. It should of happened the end of last season.
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Post by maine on Aug 25, 2022 16:31:31 GMT
4. Slightly better than Nathan Jones. Both of them were absurdly stubborn. Both used a one dimensional strategy we didn't have the personnel for. Michael wasn't as annoying as Nathan.
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Post by robstokie on Aug 25, 2022 16:38:06 GMT
I'm going to say 6.5 - pulled off an absolute miracle with the mess that Rowett and Jones had left behind to keep us up playing some decent football along the way, plus deserves credit for promoting our youngsters and cutting the wage bill. However, reverting towards dour risk averse tactics after securing survival has cost him, he was found wanting when it came to pushing us on and we were never going to push beyond lower mid table with his negativity, insistence on a back 3 and stubbornness to change it up during games, even when Stevie Wonder could see things needed shaking up.
He goes with my thanks for the survival miracle and my best wishes, and am pleased that the board haven't dithered until it's too late yet again.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 25, 2022 16:42:49 GMT
7/10 Good: Kept us up Always put the long term future of the club first Bought the youth through Sorted out FFP Generally a decent bloke 39% win percentage, best in a long time Overall ok-good transfers Had terrible luck with injuries to key players at key times consecutively Open, honest and happy to front up to the fans Not so good: Needed a better plan b Needed more cover in transfers Needed help in post match interviews in managing fans expectations by the club Loan moves had mixed success at best Needs to improve game management
Still maintain I think this will be a mistake long term This will be impossible to prove either way, since we’ll never know what would have happened if he had stayed in role.
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 25, 2022 16:45:53 GMT
Inheriting the stinking mess he did when he came in and getting the results he did was brilliant. The ship was sinking fast and he came in and did fantastic to save us as well as shedding our deadwood & completely overhauling the squad. He just seemed to run out of steam personally and perhaps he lost the fire that he initially had when he came in. As people have already said above, his under dog mentality, lack of a plan B/stubbornness with his 352 formation and comments in the press have rightly cost him his job...it almost feels like he wanted to go.
Overall 6/10 over his full term.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 25, 2022 16:46:07 GMT
7.
We are in a better place now than when he started. Our prospects are better, we look better equipped for the league, we don’t have a bloated squad or wage bill.
He’s built a good squad with some holes.
The performances, not the recruitment has killed him.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 25, 2022 16:46:18 GMT
6.
Could and should have been so much more.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 25, 2022 16:47:58 GMT
A generosity of spirit in the ratings on this thread I was not anticipating. Just to be perfectly clear, we are marking out of 10 not 100 The point I bolded below is a point I didn't think of when I said 7/10 and might be one reason why he stuck with 5-3-2 despite not having the personnel this season. The relegation escape and fact O'Neill has left and the club/squad isn't an absolute mess is why I think people are rating 6/10 and more. The future looks promising, and when Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones left, it looked anything but. Even when Pulis was sacked, the immediate future looked very uncertain. 7/10 Good: Kept us up Always put the long term future of the club first
Bought the youth through Sorted out FFP Generally a decent bloke 39% win percentage, best in a long time Overall ok-good transfers Had terrible luck with injuries to key players at key times consecutively Open, honest and happy to front up to the fans Not so good: Needed a better plan b Needed more cover in transfers Needed help in post match interviews in managing fans expectations by the club Loan moves had mixed success at best Needs to improve game management Still maintain I think this will be a mistake long term
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 25, 2022 16:48:37 GMT
4
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2022 16:55:37 GMT
Had he gone back to international football at the end of his first season I think we would be talking about him in revered tones.
However, the decline over the following two seasons became alarming. Consequently, he is now viewed as a man who ultimately failed to push us on.
He was a good appointment but overstayed his welcome.
I wish him all the best for the future.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2022 16:57:01 GMT
I've lost count the amount of times I gave him zero,so I can't go much higher than a 4.
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2022 18:16:40 GMT
I strongly suspect his greatest work was behind the scenes, taking a total right off of a squad, first rescuing us from doing a Bolton/Sunderland and then turning into one with potential which was only hinted at all too rarely. Regrettably it appears he lacked the tactical nuance to build a promotion contending match day team, including in game management. I think he's knackered and disappointed, and if his post match comments have been interpreted this way by the Board, then he simply had to go, for damage limitation as much as anything else. A charitable 7 from me. Far be it from me to correct an academic but I believe the phrase is 'write off' xx Do you know, I knew that when I wrote it. I will blame it on lack of sleep. The lack of sleep is true, the inability to fix a glaring error, schoolboy. x
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Post by hardcastle on Aug 25, 2022 18:21:59 GMT
Season 1 - 9/10 Season 2 - 6/10 Season 3 - 5/10 Transfers - 7/10 Youth/Development - 8/10 Luck - 1/10 Has to be a solid 7/10 on the whole. With a bit more luck it could have been more. He's left the place much better than how he found it. And while the current squad has some gaps, there is no reason why a new manager can't build on those foundations and springboard the club further. That's pretty much spot on.
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