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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 21:39:15 GMT
The idea that a back 5 can be successful goes back to the glory days of German football, when the Germans collected the gold stars on their shirts by getting to world cup finals and winning a fair few of them ... with the likes of Franz beckenbauer and Mattias sammer in the sweeper / libero role.
Of course 5 3 2 can work with amazing defenders like beckenbauer and sammer , who waltz out from the back with the ball , forcing opposition midfielders to challenge them for the ball and don't release the ball until after they have pulled the opposition midfield out of shape, by gliding past one or two of their opponents in midfield...oh and btw they are great passers of the ball as well !
We don't have a beckenbauer or sammer or any other kind of libero , who is going to collect a simple 5 yard pass from Wilmott or McNally and then just waltz half way up the pitch, gliding past, one or two of our opponents, before passing the ball.
If we did, 5 3 2 would be brilliant.
But we don't.
It doesn't work for us.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2023 21:54:54 GMT
I think we might be overthinking things a bit.
Most managers have a tendency not to change a winning team.
With different players arriving almost daily I think Neil tried to play safe at Millwall. Get to half time level or ahead then introduce a couple of the new lads and change formation.
Watford I think was basically again down to what he had available to him and the opposition.
I doubt we’ll see much more 5 3 2 so keep the knickers dry gents.
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Aug 27, 2023 22:07:14 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 27, 2023 22:07:14 GMT
I understand we’re unhappy to lose but there’s a massive overreaction going on. You make fair points but i think some of us have PTSD from the bilge MON kept serving up, i know i do. The Watford game could have gone either way and was pretty dull. That wasn't enough to justify playing a shit system again for me. Neil got it wrong but he fixed it, which was exciting.
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Aug 28, 2023 18:36:19 GMT
Post by shakermaker on Aug 28, 2023 18:36:19 GMT
What infuriates me so much is that he if he wanted to play this formation, why not recruit for it? He’s signed all these attacking minded players and wingers but none of them fit the style. I commented shortly before the season started, I think Neil's recruitment has actually favoured three at the back. He used it a lot at Sunderland and I think during that time, he became a convert. I do think we have players better suited to it than at any time when Mad Nath or MON was in charge, but we are still missing a left-sided defender and a RWB (Hoever doesn't cut it in that position). I don't know what it is about this formation that captivates managers so much. You'd think Jared is the man to recruit flawlessly for three at the back, as he helped find the gems for Wilder's promotion winning teams at Sheffield United.
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Aug 28, 2023 18:50:41 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on Aug 28, 2023 18:50:41 GMT
The idea that a back 5 can be successful goes back to the glory days of German football, when the Germans collected the gold stars on their shirts by getting to world cup finals and winning a fair few of them ... with the likes of Franz beckenbauer and Mattias sammer in the sweeper / libero role. Of course 5 3 2 can work with amazing defenders like beckenbauer and sammer , who waltz out from the back with the ball , forcing opposition midfielders to challenge them for the ball and don't release the ball until after they have pulled the opposition midfield out of shape, by gliding past one or two of their opponents in midfield...oh and btw they are great passers of the ball as well ! We don't have a beckenbauer or sammer or any other kind of libero , who is going to collect a simple 5 yard pass from Wilmott or McNally and then just waltz half way up the pitch, gliding past, one or two of our opponents, before passing the ball. If we did, 5 3 2 would be brilliant. But we don't. It doesn't work for us. It was once stated that "Football is a simple game." 22 players kick a ball around for ninety minutes, and then the Germans win!
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Aug 28, 2023 18:54:49 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 28, 2023 18:54:49 GMT
I thought that the back 5 was great as a spoiler tactic that got us a miniature cup run under O'Neil. It worked a treat against teams from a league above or who liked to dominate a game.
Of course, we also had a good blend of centre backs, with Souttar flanked by the more mobile Ostegaard and Collins. I think we also had Indi in the mix.
It was a real shame how that season petered out.
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Aug 28, 2023 19:01:42 GMT
Post by stokeyank on Aug 28, 2023 19:01:42 GMT
As was alluded to 5/3 at the back requires 2 main players, a ball playing center back (we've not got one) and a midfield general (we've not got a consistent one). Every time we play it our midfield is just over run because no one in those central roles can hold and bring other players into the midfield. It' always a pass backward to maintain possession which simply invites pressure, because we have 8 players behind the ball. Our players are much more suited to the good old 442, 433 or 4231. With what we have Neil should be given 20 lashes every time he tries to use an odd number at the back.
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