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Post by skemstokie on Jul 26, 2022 10:18:55 GMT
Hopefully the threat of a ban will see the end of pyros flares etc.as the F.A. is spearheading the campaign to eliminate them from the game.
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 26, 2022 10:21:10 GMT
The dippers will be distraught, biggest culprits in England for those things.
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 26, 2022 10:24:00 GMT
The dippers will be distraught, biggest culprits in England for those things. This ruling should have been introduced years ago,with people not choking it could even improve the atmosphere
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 26, 2022 10:32:45 GMT
They look amazing at festivals/concerts.
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Post by banksy1art on Jul 26, 2022 10:48:34 GMT
It will make no difference, people will still use them. Besides, I like them anyway!
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2022 11:04:23 GMT
I think I also read the FA are trying to cut out the post match pitch invasion which has become de rigeur after all play off matches across the divisions.
I guess it's increasingly a generation who don't remember the fences coming down and how fans were put on trust not to abuse it.
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Post by marrer on Jul 26, 2022 11:07:07 GMT
I read this as some new dress code on the Greek Islands
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Post by ricksastokie on Jul 26, 2022 11:31:10 GMT
I read this as some new dress code on the Greek Islands Bravo!
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Post by burystokie on Jul 26, 2022 11:45:02 GMT
I'm surprised this hasn't been raised before, and I'd be interested to know what the FSF's view of it is. Not so much about flares but the "automatic bans" for all pitch invasions.
It's easy to say people shouldn't invade the pitch, and in a case like a lone fan running on and assaulting a player then clearly they're going to get banned and (almost) nobody would disagree with that. However, they're talking about automatic bans - for life I think? - for anyone entering the pitch. That's been going on for decades when teams win a play-off semi-final, get promoted, etc. See us in 2008, for example. At the very least, authorities have turned a blind eye to it, and arguably have tacitly encouraged it.
Do we really think hundreds/thousands of supporters aren't going to go on the pitch where teams get promoted, especially if it wasn't expected at the start of the season? It doesn't matter how many PA announcements you make or stewards you have, or it hasn't seemed to in the past. So does that mean there'll be hundreds/thousands of new life bans for supporters of those clubs?
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 26, 2022 11:52:36 GMT
I'm surprised this hasn't been raised before, and I'd be interested to know what the FSF's view of it is. Not so much about flares but the "automatic bans" for all pitch invasions. It's easy to say people shouldn't invade the pitch, and in a case like a lone fan running on and assaulting a player then clearly they're going to get banned and (almost) nobody would disagree with that. However, they're talking about automatic bans - for life I think? - for anyone entering the pitch. That's been going on for decades when teams win a play-off semi-final, get promoted, etc. See us in 2008, for example. At the very least, authorities have turned a blind eye to it, and arguably have tacitly encouraged it. Do we really think hundreds/thousands of supporters aren't going to go on the pitch where teams get promoted, especially if it wasn't expected at the start of the season? It doesn't matter how many PA announcements you make or stewards you have, or it hasn't seemed to in the past. So does that mean there'll be hundreds/thousands of new life bans for supporters of those clubs? What percentage of a crowd do you think take part in pitch invasion? It does stop the remaining fans who don`t invade from enjoying a lap of honour by the players .
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 26, 2022 12:03:53 GMT
It won’t make any difference. I mean drink driving gets you banned, but dickheads aplenty still do it.
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Post by burystokie on Jul 26, 2022 12:10:24 GMT
I don't disagree with you, and I wouldn't do it myself. As far as percentages go, thinking back to 2008, I'd say it was a minority then but a pretty sizable one?
I'm not even saying it's wrong to ban, or threaten to ban, supporters for running on the pitch. As I said, I'd be interested to know what the FSF's view is. I did do a brief search the other day but didn't find anything from them.
I just think that come the end of the season, either this policy is going to have to be quietly dropped or there's going to be enormous controversy as thousands of fans up and down the country get banned. We could say 'ah well, they were warned' but how many of those supporters who'd be inclined to go on the pitch in the first place are actually going to hear and heed the warning? For something they've either done themselves or seen others doing for decades?
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Post by Block 26 on Jul 26, 2022 12:15:24 GMT
Must admit that I’m a fan of pyros as I think they look good & add to the atmosphere. I understand why people with breathing difficulties would want them banned though. The sport is going soft imo on & off the field.
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 26, 2022 12:25:06 GMT
Must admit that I’m a fan of pyros as I think they look good & add to the atmosphere. I understand why people with breathing difficulties would want them banned though. The sport is going soft imo on & off the field. What sport,the sport of breaking the law.risking injuring or killing people. Football is a sport enjoyed by young and old,male a female,able bodied and disabled why should it be blighted by a minority of selfish pricks.
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Post by superalexneil on Jul 26, 2022 12:30:29 GMT
our pitch invasion was fucking mint
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2022 13:07:27 GMT
Must admit that I’m a fan of pyros as I think they look good & add to the atmosphere. I understand why people with breathing difficulties would want them banned though. The sport is going soft imo on & off the field. I don't have breathing difficulties myself and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want one in my face tbh.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 26, 2022 13:10:53 GMT
It won’t make any difference. I mean drink driving gets you banned, but dickheads aplenty still do it. I do it while holding a flare. Just so everyone knows I'm pissed up.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 26, 2022 13:38:44 GMT
It won’t make any difference. I mean drink driving gets you banned, but dickheads aplenty still do it. I do it while holding a flare. Just so everyone knows I'm pissed up. It just makes sense.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2022 14:32:29 GMT
I think I also read the FA are trying to cut out the post match pitch invasion which has become de rigeur after all play off matches across the divisions.I guess it's increasingly a generation who don't remember the fences coming down and how fans were put on trust not to abuse it.
Not really going to effect us then ...
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2022 15:15:28 GMT
I think I also read the FA are trying to cut out the post match pitch invasion which has become de rigeur after all play off matches across the divisions.I guess it's increasingly a generation who don't remember the fences coming down and how fans were put on trust not to abuse it. Not really going to effect us then ...
Laughs!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 26, 2022 15:21:24 GMT
Must admit that I’m a fan of pyros as I think they look good & add to the atmosphere. I understand why people with breathing difficulties would want them banned though. The sport is going soft imo on & off the field. So was the sport "soft" before pyros and flares started being waved around and only became 'aard after that? It's not some traditional part of football that has always been there and connected with the sport since it started. How does a flashing light with plenty of smoke that obstructs people from being able to see the game actually add anything to the atmosphere of the game? It's sod all to do with the atmosphere of the sport and just the equivalent of having dancing girls and brass bands at NFL games i.e sod all to do with the game or sport, just a bit of side entertainment for those who aren't really watching the game anyway (usually because it's during one of the 1000s of breaks you naturally get in that sport, which aren't present in footy anyway) Also, why do you say you understand why some want them banned and then go on to say the sport is going soft? If you think those people or the sport is "going soft" because those people want it banned, you clearly don't understand at all why they want it banned in the first place do you? "Sorry that i can't breathe due to my medical conditions being aggravated by all the smoke in my face. My fault, i'm just going soft"
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2022 16:09:54 GMT
Dickheads delight?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 26, 2022 16:41:10 GMT
Must admit that I’m a fan of pyros as I think they look good & add to the atmosphere. I understand why people with breathing difficulties would want them banned though. The sport is going soft imo on & off the field. What sport,the sport of breaking the law.risking injuring or killing people. Football is a sport enjoyed by young and old,male a female,able bodied and disabled why should it be blighted by a minority of selfish pricks. Because the days of people giving a shit about anyone else other than themselves are long gone, unfortunately. Nowadays, it appears that the way to be "cool" is to be as self-entitled as possible and demand that everything that YOU want is catered for and fuck anyone else that may have any kind of issue with it. It's the new, super trendy "Me,me,me" age...keep up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 16:46:54 GMT
What sport,the sport of breaking the law.risking injuring or killing people. Football is a sport enjoyed by young and old,male a female,able bodied and disabled why should it be blighted by a minority of selfish pricks. Because the days of people giving a shit about anyone else other than themselves are long gone, unfortunately. Nowadays, it appears that the way to be "cool" is to be as self-entitled as possible and demand that everything that YOU want is catered for and fuck anyone else that may have any kind of issue with it. It's the new, super trendy "Me,me,me" age...keep up I'm not convinced that is 100% the case mate to be fair. Isn't it just young dickheads being young dickheads but in a different way to what young dickheads got up to when we were young dickheads?
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Post by Boothen on Jul 26, 2022 16:48:37 GMT
Yay, lets just ban anything remotely fun and capable of generating an atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 16:50:11 GMT
Yay, lets just ban anything remotely fun and capable of generating an atmosphere. There is absolutely nothing funny or atmosphere building about smoke bombs or whatever the fuck they are.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 26, 2022 17:00:48 GMT
Because the days of people giving a shit about anyone else other than themselves are long gone, unfortunately. Nowadays, it appears that the way to be "cool" is to be as self-entitled as possible and demand that everything that YOU want is catered for and fuck anyone else that may have any kind of issue with it. It's the new, super trendy "Me,me,me" age...keep up I'm not convinced that is 100% the case mate to be fair. Isn't it just young dickheads being young dickheads but in a different way to what young dickheads got up to when we were young dickheads? To an extent, although when me and my mates were young dickheads we didn't tend to think "Fuck the disabled, elderly and ill who can't get out of my way, i'm having fun regardless".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 17:03:55 GMT
I'm not convinced that is 100% the case mate to be fair. Isn't it just young dickheads being young dickheads but in a different way to what young dickheads got up to when we were young dickheads? To an extent, although when me and my mates were young dickheads we didn't tend to think "Fuck the disabled, elderly and ill who can't get out of my way, i'm having fun regardless". Fair point.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 26, 2022 17:07:21 GMT
Yay, lets just ban anything remotely fun and capable of generating an atmosphere. If you need pyros and smoke bombs to have fun at a game of footy, maybe you should stop and ask yourself if it's actually the footy you're even interested in.... and then piss off to the local fireworks display instead. The huge majority of people have no problems having fun or creating an atmosphere at matches and never have had for the over 100 years it's been a professional sport....hence the reason that only a minority of games have flares and smokebombs but it's still the most watched sport on the planet without them. I can understand kids enjoying pretty lights etc. but any grown adult in the 21st century who thinks that something is automatically amazing, great and "fun" simply for no other reason than it creates coloured smoke, needs to take a serious look at themselves and their maturity level...it's 4 year old kids at the bonfire stuff ffs!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 17:41:33 GMT
The nanny state strikes again.
We'll be wrapped up in cotton wool soon.
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