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Post by riponstokie on Jul 16, 2022 18:15:16 GMT
At the end of last season disappearing before the season ended to get his hip op- conveniently as support turned against him. Now Delap & Holden sent out to do every press interview. Is O’Neil being shielded / protected / hiding from damaging an already factious relationship with the fans? As we head into a new season after 2 years of utter apathy & underwhelm, I can’t help but feel MON should be speaking about his vision, what he feels needs to change for a positive season & how we as a club are moving towards that. Instead it feels like he’s hiding. The club seems precariously placed & honestly would be surprised if he’s still manager come new year. Hope to be proved wrong, but the leadership we need appease nowhere to be seen.
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Post by southcoaststokie on Jul 16, 2022 18:19:59 GMT
Seems strange that his assistant’s keep coming out after games, especially when we have not won
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2022 18:22:19 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in.
Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some.
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Post by march4 on Jul 16, 2022 18:23:33 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Perhaps he should concentrate on his own vision before worrying about anyone else’s. |
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2022 18:24:44 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Perhaps he should concentrate on his own vision before worrying about anyone else’s. Well at most modern clubs the manager falls into the clubs vision. Don't worry, we don't have one of those either do we? |
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Post by bangorstokie on Jul 16, 2022 18:28:31 GMT
At the end of last season disappearing before the season ended to get his hip op- conveniently as support turned against him. Now Delap & Holden sent out to do every press interview. Is O’Neil being shielded / protected / hiding from damaging an already factious relationship with the fans? As we head into a new season after 2 years of utter apathy & underwhelm, I can’t help but feel MON should be speaking about his vision, what he feels needs to change for a positive season & how we as a club are moving towards that. Instead it feels like he’s hiding. The club seems precariously placed & honestly would be surprised if he’s still manager come new year. Hope to be proved wrong, but the leadership we need appease nowhere to be seen. Would worry me if we never saw the clown again!! He doesn’t know his arse from his elbow, when it comes to tactical nous and instilling a bit of fight and passion into a squad of players, who ,judging on their recent performances, couldn’t give a flying fuck. |
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Post by questionable on Jul 16, 2022 19:23:51 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester.
He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 16, 2022 19:26:16 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. Understandable frustration and oneil may well be the fall guy amd justifiably so but JC Is going nowhere its about getting the right people around him |
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 16, 2022 19:26:45 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. He’s a lot of things, but a bell end certainly is not one. He’s a decent bloke, who’s not good enough to get us promoted. No more, no less. Refrain from the needless abuse if you would. |
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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2022 19:29:32 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Until he fucks this wing back system off he’ll have nowhere to hide |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 16, 2022 19:29:36 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. He’s a lot of things, but a bell end certainly is not one. He’s a decent bloke, who’s not good enough to get us promoted. No more, no less. Refrain from the needless abuse if you would. I've never met him myself so I'll have to take your word for it but he comes across a bit clueless and cardboard in interviews etc. Bellend does seem a bit harsh though. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 16, 2022 19:29:43 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. He won’t. |
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 16, 2022 19:33:21 GMT
He’s a lot of things, but a bell end certainly is not one. He’s a decent bloke, who’s not good enough to get us promoted. No more, no less. Refrain from the needless abuse if you would. I've never met him myself so I'll have to take your word for it but he comes across a bit clueless and cardboard in interviews etc. Bellend does seem a bit harsh though. I’ve never met him either, and I don’t rate him as a manager. He just always comes across as (for all his flaws as a bit dreary and a bad manager for us in the last 2 seasons) a decent guy who’s just lost his way a little. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 19:43:30 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. Has a manager ever been sacked on the back of a preseason friendly? |
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Post by crouchbot on Jul 16, 2022 19:47:46 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. Has a manager ever been sacked on the back of a preseason friendly? Yes, I remember Tranmere getting spanked in a friendly a good few years ago now and they sacked him the next day or so after. That’s just one I know of for sure, I’ll bet there’s other examples but without looking into it I’m not sure. |
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Post by march4 on Jul 16, 2022 19:56:39 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. He’s a lot of things, but a bell end certainly is not one. He’s a decent bloke, who’s not good enough to get us promoted. No more, no less. Refrain from the needless abuse if you would. Well said. He is a decent bloke who has taken us as far as he can and is now overseeing a steady decline. |
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2022 19:59:19 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Until he fucks this wing back system off he’ll have nowhere to hide I think any issues we and the manager have, and also future managers will have, run far deeper than 352. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2022 20:04:20 GMT
MON has been low key in the extreme.
Meantime Peter Coates had blipped off the radar altogether. I mean is he okay?
Strange times.
We've got this '3 wise men' session coming up with JC, MON and the new COO haven't we so perhaps someone should ask then.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 16, 2022 20:29:10 GMT
I think, in my case, I ‘knew’ (NOT, as they say over here) there were major problems at the club and MON was steadying the boat so, you take the medicine.
Now I am starting to wonder if the problems were way larger, deeper and darken than we though.
It would seem certain past behaviors will be reviewed regarding the club.
As for who would want to manage us next, if we had ever been a chalice it would seem we are a poisoned one now.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 16, 2022 20:36:58 GMT
I wonder if we could tempt Mark Hughes back?
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Post by lstokie on Jul 16, 2022 20:41:58 GMT
Noticed this much more recently, got the feeling this is part of the transition of him going upstairs and us ultimately hiring Holden as the manager
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Post by baystokie on Jul 16, 2022 20:54:52 GMT
Looking at this forum and those of other clubs, I do wonder why (apart from the money) anyone would want to become a professional football club manager. Must be one of the few jobs where thousands of others think theyt know better than you, know more about the game than you and spend a great part of their life looking to display that superiority.
I think I read somewhere that over 90% of managers WILL get the sack at some period of their career. It would seem to follow that most clubs, when they appoint a new manager, are hiring someone who has failed elsewhere, often more than once or twice. Do these clubs think/hope that, despite his record, that this might be the time he comes good?
Hell of a way to run a business!
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Post by Sfance on Jul 16, 2022 21:18:08 GMT
At the end of last season disappearing before the season ended to get his hip op- conveniently as support turned against him. Now Delap & Holden sent out to do every press interview. Is O’Neil being shielded / protected / hiding from damaging an already factious relationship with the fans? As we head into a new season after 2 years of utter apathy & underwhelm, I can’t help but feel MON should be speaking about his vision, what he feels needs to change for a positive season & how we as a club are moving towards that. Instead it feels like he’s hiding. The club seems precariously placed & honestly would be surprised if he’s still manager come new year. Hope to be proved wrong, but the leadership we need appease nowhere to be seen. Nah, it’s his hip. According to a lot of the docs on here, a hip replacement can knock you out for months. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2022 21:18:59 GMT
Watched the game today expecting to see a bit more fight, fitness and an actual plan/idea however you want the phrase it, In reality it was a carbon copy of last season minus the likes of Allen, Smith, Fletcher, Chester. He really needs to go now, no if’s or buts but now for gods sake, the blokes an absolute bell end of a manager and he’ll be hounded out within weeks not months, why wasn’t he sacked at the end of last season heaven knows but once he’s gone the next target has to be junior he’s been at helm and steered us in this direction. Why did you expect any of that? |
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 16, 2022 21:32:31 GMT
MON has been low key in the extreme. Meantime Peter Coates had blipped off the radar altogether. I mean is he okay? Strange times. We've got this '3 wise men' session coming up with JC, MON and the new COO haven't we so perhaps someone should ask then. Peter is 84 years old, what are you expecting of him at that age? |
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 16, 2022 21:38:22 GMT
MON has been low key in the extreme. Meantime Peter Coates had blipped off the radar altogether. I mean is he okay? Strange times. We've got this '3 wise men' session coming up with JC, MON and the new COO haven't we so perhaps someone should ask then. Peter is 84 years old, what are you expecting of him at that age? 100 Burpees followed by a half marathon. Minimum. |
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2022 21:39:00 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Ur just full of shit excuses for a wank manager , you kiss his arse every night before you sleep 🙄 |
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2022 21:51:42 GMT
I'm guessing he's deeply tuned into the mess that has been created before him, thanks to messrs Coates Jr., Scholes, Rowett and Jones ... aswell as his own mistakes - meaning he either comes infront of the press/camera and tries to put a lipstick on a pig, or tells the whole truth about the royal mess the club is in. Frankly, if I was in his shoes I would lean heavily on the owners to come out and spell out their vision since it's odds on he will end up leaving sooner rather than later according to some. Ur just full of shit excuses for a wank manager , you kiss his arse every night before you sleep 🙄 It's just the reality of our situation. You either understand it and deal with it or you don't, and just keep blindly blaming every unlucky git that finds their way into our dugout. I'll bet every pound and penny that I own that the next manager we employ will be a much cheaper, much worse version of the manager we currently have. |
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 16, 2022 21:55:35 GMT
Or we could strike lucky and get a gem who transforms us into a free flowing team..
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Post by callas12 on Jul 16, 2022 23:33:21 GMT
Ur just full of shit excuses for a wank manager , you kiss his arse every night before you sleep 🙄 It's just the reality of our situation. You either understand it and deal with it or you don't, and just keep blindly blaming every unlucky git that finds their way into our dugout. I'll bet every pound and penny that I own that the next manager we employ will be a much cheaper, much worse version of the manager we currently have. Frighteningly your post has just reminded me of when we appointed Lambert all over again! Shudder to think if MON goes & we replace him with.... 🤔🤔 a Graham Alexander, Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Tony Mowbray or Chris Hughton type! That's just 5x names I've plucked from a very big pool of has been managers. I'm sure the Coates have already been monitoring closely! Lee Bowyer another name to add to that list, come to think of it there's so many managers who will feel they want to prove themselves and could turn our fortunes around I don't think we'd be short of applicants, but as the saying goes qualities better than quantity! 🙄😬 |
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