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Post by J-Roar on Jul 23, 2022 20:22:01 GMT
I think it is because people seem to enjoy it. Stockholm Syndrome would be more apt. Cuckolding in this instance would be if the Family bought the Fail and took them above us in the league 😎 Wouldn't it be if John Coates fucked your wife in front of you?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 23, 2022 20:26:19 GMT
That's an interesting definition, not sure that's the context Shakespeare was using 🤣🤣🤣 My understanding is a cuckold is a man who’s wife has an affair with someone else. Simple as that. I believe it might also be used to refer to a man who enjoys watching his wife shag another man. Either way not sure how they apply in the context Bayern was using it. But of course he was right no matter what. Fuckin ell I thought it was a bird that layed it's eggs in another birds nest then fucks off and lets the other bird raise it's young
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 23, 2022 20:33:22 GMT
I know it was only a friendly, but based on that showing today and in answer to the OP, not around for much longer. It was very poor and suggested we are where we left off last season. The general concerning thing for me about today was our lack of going on the front foot with any pace. Surely, we should have been practicing that if nothing else since we have just signed a shit hot forward who looks to get in front of the last defender.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 23, 2022 20:36:57 GMT
I know it was only a friendly, but based on that showing today and in answer to the OP, not around for much longer. It was very poor and suggested we are where we left off last season. The general concerning thing for me about today was our lack of going on the front foot with any pace. Surely, we should have been practicing that if nothing else since we have just signed a shit hot forward who looks to get in front of the last defender. The writing was on the wall when he said we were too attacking at times last season.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 23, 2022 20:41:48 GMT
I know it was only a friendly, but based on that showing today and in answer to the OP, not around for much longer. It was very poor and suggested we are where we left off last season. The general concerning thing for me about today was our lack of going on the front foot with any pace. Surely, we should have been practicing that if nothing else since we have just signed a shit hot forward who looks to get in front of the last defender. The writing was on the wall when he said we were too attacking at times last season. Basically he’s said today Hearts we’re better than us and he has concerns. This at the end of pre season doesn’t bode well. We just don’t seem to have any cohesion or structure moving forward, some of the passing today was diabolical IMO, which I’d saved myself £12.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 7:40:33 GMT
The writing was on the wall when he said we were too attacking at times last season. Basically he’s said today Hearts we’re better than us and he has concerns. This at the end of pre season doesn’t bode well. We just don’t seem to have any cohesion or structure moving forward, some of the passing today was diabolical IMO, which I’d saved myself £12. The first half yesterday was utterly damming. No one looked like they knew what they were doing. We had no coherent plan to move the ball forward so continually lost possession when we ended up playing hopeful balls out of defence. As my son said yesterday… that is down to the manager sending a team out who are unsure what they are trying to do. And he is spot on.
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Post by march4 on Jul 24, 2022 7:59:28 GMT
I know it was only a friendly, but based on that showing today and in answer to the OP, not around for much longer. It was very poor and suggested we are where we left off last season. The general concerning thing for me about today was our lack of going on the front foot with any pace. Surely, we should have been practicing that if nothing else since we have just signed a shit hot forward who looks to get in front of the last defender. The writing was on the wall when he said we were too attacking at times last season. And yet we carry on conceding two goals a game.
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Post by bubbleblower on Jul 24, 2022 8:04:54 GMT
He was outside Haymarket station last night limping carrying a large bag and a lap top bag.
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 24, 2022 8:05:07 GMT
He just hasn't got a clue how to set us up, what tactics to use, or how to counter another team's formation and tactics.
We just look so pedestrian, aimless, and above all, clueless. It has all the signs of a long, tense struggle this season. The players may be different but nothing else has changed.
He has to go.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 24, 2022 8:16:07 GMT
The writing was on the wall when he said we were too attacking at times last season. And yet we carry on conceding two goals a game. Contrary to what you might wish to believe there are only two ways of improving your defending, getting better players or committing more resources to defending. Your hero wasn’t some genius he just did the latter. Of course there’s another way of improving your defensive stats ie conceding goals that’s by ensuring you do less of it by playing more of the game in the opposition half. This is what a successful Mark Hughes Stoke team did. That’s how a team with the much derided Wollescheid conceded less goals than a Pulis team with better defenders and more resources committed to defending. The obsession of the club, the manager and many of our fans with prioritising defending and safety first football is at the heart of our poor performance.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 24, 2022 8:22:03 GMT
With seemingly no rush for a contract extension at the moment, wonder what MON is thinking and whether this will change our approach to impress, or whether things will stay the same until his contract expires, or the board renew anyway🤫.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 24, 2022 8:29:25 GMT
With seemingly no rush for a contract extension at the moment, wonder what MON is thinking and whether this will change our approach to impress, or whether things will stay the same until his contract expires, or the board renew anyway🤫. If the approach doesn’t change any renewal will be met with disdain from the stands.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 24, 2022 8:35:13 GMT
In all seriousness I didn't think he looked well yesterday. His complexion has become increasingly ruddy like someone with very high BP.
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 24, 2022 8:42:19 GMT
In all seriousness I didn't think he looked well yesterday. His complexion has become increasingly ruddy like someone with very high BP. That's probably the Laphroaig effect (allegedly). Tbh I've always thought he looked the same - definitely high BP.
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Post by jokker on Jul 24, 2022 14:50:39 GMT
Take them out of the equation and what have you got? There might be a bit of hope around. What you get is a team of 11 Sparrows...which is good for Tom as he might get to play his proper position. But you'd also need a few Buzzards, Kites, and Bloodsuckers, but we have none.
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Post by pistol on Jul 25, 2022 8:32:13 GMT
In all seriousness I didn't think he looked well yesterday. His complexion has become increasingly ruddy like someone with very high BP. He really has got the itchiest head in football
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 25, 2022 8:36:02 GMT
What struck me is how white on top he has gone all of a sudden. He joined us as an erudite grey fox. He now looks like a knackered, washed up old dog ready for the retirement home.
I mean, what on earth do we do to our manager's?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 25, 2022 8:41:57 GMT
With seemingly no rush for a contract extension at the moment, wonder what MON is thinking and whether this will change our approach to impress, or whether things will stay the same until his contract expires, or the board renew anyway🤫. There’s an easy way to deal with this, the club should offer an extension now, to kick in at the end of the season, based upon achieving over a set number of points. Those points should see us 8th or better IMO. If he does that then he deserves the extension. He then knows exactly what he needs to do and can’t approach the season negatively.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 25, 2022 8:44:24 GMT
What struck me is how white on top he has gone all of a sudden. He joined us as an erudite grey fox. He now looks like a knackered, washed up old dog ready for the retirement home. I mean, what on earth do we do to our manager's? It's what happens to some of them Moyes aged about 20 years whilst he managed Man Utd. Kenny Dalgleish looked like his second spell as Liverpool boss nearly killed him.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 25, 2022 8:47:59 GMT
With seemingly no rush for a contract extension at the moment, wonder what MON is thinking and whether this will change our approach to impress, or whether things will stay the same until his contract expires, or the board renew anyway🤫. There’s an easy way to deal with this, the club should offer an extension now, to kick in at the end of the season, based upon achieving over a set number of points. Those points should see us 8th or better IMO. If he does that then he deserves the extension. He then knows exactly what he needs to do and can’t approach the season negatively. Naah sorry his football is just too boring for me minimum of 6th or adios, I'm not even sure that would justify it 1st or 2nd or successful in the play offs yes. 3rd to 6th but ultimately unsuccessful in the play offs, only if the football particularly at home improved markedly. Anywhere in the top half should the football improve drastically.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 25, 2022 9:03:08 GMT
With seemingly no rush for a contract extension at the moment, wonder what MON is thinking and whether this will change our approach to impress, or whether things will stay the same until his contract expires, or the board renew anyway🤫. There’s an easy way to deal with this, the club should offer an extension now, to kick in at the end of the season, based upon achieving over a set number of points. Those points should see us 8th or better IMO. If he does that then he deserves the extension. He then knows exactly what he needs to do and can’t approach the season negatively. Good view, it could be that this kind of conversation has happened and he knows exactly where he stands.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 25, 2022 9:06:20 GMT
There’s an easy way to deal with this, the club should offer an extension now, to kick in at the end of the season, based upon achieving over a set number of points. Those points should see us 8th or better IMO. If he does that then he deserves the extension. He then knows exactly what he needs to do and can’t approach the season negatively. Good view, it could be that this kind of conversation has happened and he knows exactly where he stands. Yeah it's hard to imagine his contract situation has not been the subject of any discussions.
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Post by st3mark on Jul 25, 2022 9:33:46 GMT
When he left the Northern Ireland post he had the best win ratio since their greatest manager of all time left in 1971. He can't sign players in international management so the only way to achieve this is through picking and applying the correct tactics.
He currently has the best win ratio our own club has had since Gudjon, 20 years ago,
He has done it here with no budget and with a group of players that were bottom of the league and Rowett and Jones had failed with. Tactics were what he changed and results improved drastically. We were 5th in the league last season when injuries hit and we were playing the formation everyone moans about (including me, I find it boring admittedly). He has equalled the most clean sheets the club have ever had in a season to boot, not bad for someone who gets criticised for how he sets up a defence regularly.
Virtually every manager we have had tended to play one formation and stick with it throughout their entire time at the club. MON has played 532, 343, 4231 and 433 at various times off the top of my head. He's probably got more tactical awareness than anyone we have ever had.
I get that performances have been dire for the second half of last season but the bloke has probably inherited the toughest task a stoke manager has had since the 80s. It is not an overnight fix, it was always going to take years to fix, it won't be easy.
Every day I read the term 'tactically inept' on here or various ways of criticising his tactical knowledge. If people can't see that this manager is a pure tactition then the mind boggles. Just because the team aren't a pleasure to watch doesn't mean the tactics aren't working. It's competitive sport not the theatre. Would I prefer to be watching bojan, shaq and Arnie in a 4231 or etherington, pennant and fuller in a 442 yes I would. But a new manager would have come in this summer with zero budget, switched systems and got us relegated for my money.
And speaking of money he has achieved all this whilst avoiding breaching financial fair play and avoiding the relegation crocodile.
One thing that is getting me excited is that there is a lot of negativity towards him on here this pre season. Mostly the same clueless people that moaned when Pulis came back and the mood is similar to his time in the championship. This club does better when we need to battle and when we are written off. I predict a good season this year.
We need 3 more signings, but with this budget it's a massive task to achieve this. it might be a case of two before the deadline, one in January and then a fair crack with an actual transfer budget next summer. But until then let's support our club and not embarrass ourselves by overly criticising a manager who is doing ok.
We'll be with you.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jul 25, 2022 9:37:13 GMT
I'm still firmly behind MON but do have concerns like everyone else. I do think though if we aren't quick out the blocks this season then the atmosphere will soon be toxic in no time.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 25, 2022 9:50:48 GMT
When he left the Northern Ireland post he had the best win ratio since their greatest manager of all time left in 1971. He can't sign players in international management so the only way to achieve this is through picking and applying the correct tactics. He currently has the best win ratio our own club has had since Gudjon, 20 years ago, He has done it here with no budget and with a group of players that were bottom of the league and Rowett and Jones had failed with. Tactics were what he changed and results improved drastically. We were 5th in the league last season when injuries hit and we were playing the formation everyone moans about (including me, I find it boring admittedly). He has equalled the most clean sheets the club have ever had in a season to boot, not bad for someone who gets criticised for how he sets up a defence regularly. Virtually every manager we have had tended to play one formation and stick with it throughout their entire time at the club. MON has played 532, 343, 4231 and 433 at various times off the top of my head. He's probably got more tactical awareness than anyone we have ever had. I get that performances have been dire for the second half of last season but the bloke has probably inherited the toughest task a stoke manager has had since the 80s. It is not an overnight fix, it was always going to take years to fix, it won't be easy. Every day I read the term 'tactically inept' on here or various ways of criticising his tactical knowledge. If people can't see that this manager is a pure tactition then the mind boggles. Just because the team aren't a pleasure to watch doesn't mean the tactics aren't working. It's competitive sport not the theatre. Would I prefer to be watching bojan, shaq and Arnie in a 4231 or etherington, pennant and fuller in a 442 yes I would. But a new manager would have come in this summer with zero budget, switched systems and got us relegated for my money.
And speaking of money he has achieved all this whilst avoiding breaching financial fair play and avoiding the relegation crocodile. One thing that is getting me excited is that there is a lot of negativity towards him on here this pre season. Mostly the same clueless people that moaned when Pulis came back and the mood is similar to his time in the championship. This club does better when we need to battle and when we are written off. I predict a good season this year. We need 3 more signings, but with this budget it's a massive task to achieve this. it might be a case of two before the deadline, one in January and then a fair crack with an actual transfer budget next summer. But until then let's support our club and not embarrass ourselves by overly criticising a manager who is doing ok. We'll be with you. A new manager could have come in this Summer with the most scope to reshape the squad we've had for years the timing was ideal.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 25, 2022 9:54:53 GMT
I'm still firmly behind MON but do have concerns like everyone else. I do think though if we aren't quick out the blocks this season then the atmosphere will soon be toxic in no time. Boring unsuccessful football is rarely tolerated at any club, it has more sympathisers at our club than most and even the bloke above singing his praises concedes it boring.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 25, 2022 9:59:10 GMT
When he left the Northern Ireland post he had the best win ratio since their greatest manager of all time left in 1971. He can't sign players in international management so the only way to achieve this is through picking and applying the correct tactics. He currently has the best win ratio our own club has had since Gudjon, 20 years ago, He has done it here with no budget and with a group of players that were bottom of the league and Rowett and Jones had failed with. Tactics were what he changed and results improved drastically. We were 5th in the league last season when injuries hit and we were playing the formation everyone moans about (including me, I find it boring admittedly). He has equalled the most clean sheets the club have ever had in a season to boot, not bad for someone who gets criticised for how he sets up a defence regularly. Virtually every manager we have had tended to play one formation and stick with it throughout their entire time at the club. MON has played 532, 343, 4231 and 433 at various times off the top of my head. He's probably got more tactical awareness than anyone we have ever had. I get that performances have been dire for the second half of last season but the bloke has probably inherited the toughest task a stoke manager has had since the 80s. It is not an overnight fix, it was always going to take years to fix, it won't be easy. Every day I read the term 'tactically inept' on here or various ways of criticising his tactical knowledge. If people can't see that this manager is a pure tactition then the mind boggles. Just because the team aren't a pleasure to watch doesn't mean the tactics aren't working. It's competitive sport not the theatre. Would I prefer to be watching bojan, shaq and Arnie in a 4231 or etherington, pennant and fuller in a 442 yes I would. But a new manager would have come in this summer with zero budget, switched systems and got us relegated for my money. And speaking of money he has achieved all this whilst avoiding breaching financial fair play and avoiding the relegation crocodile. One thing that is getting me excited is that there is a lot of negativity towards him on here this pre season. Mostly the same clueless people that moaned when Pulis came back and the mood is similar to his time in the championship. This club does better when we need to battle and when we are written off. I predict a good season this year. We need 3 more signings, but with this budget it's a massive task to achieve this. it might be a case of two before the deadline, one in January and then a fair crack with an actual transfer budget next summer. But until then let's support our club and not embarrass ourselves by overly criticising a manager who is doing ok. We'll be with you.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2022 10:02:31 GMT
He's in Coocoo land, but I can't find it on the map.
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Post by werrington on Jul 25, 2022 10:11:39 GMT
When he left the Northern Ireland post he had the best win ratio since their greatest manager of all time left in 1971. He can't sign players in international management so the only way to achieve this is through picking and applying the correct tactics. He currently has the best win ratio our own club has had since Gudjon, 20 years ago, He has done it here with no budget and with a group of players that were bottom of the league and Rowett and Jones had failed with. Tactics were what he changed and results improved drastically. We were 5th in the league last season when injuries hit and we were playing the formation everyone moans about (including me, I find it boring admittedly). He has equalled the most clean sheets the club have ever had in a season to boot, not bad for someone who gets criticised for how he sets up a defence regularly. Virtually every manager we have had tended to play one formation and stick with it throughout their entire time at the club. MON has played 532, 343, 4231 and 433 at various times off the top of my head. He's probably got more tactical awareness than anyone we have ever had. I get that performances have been dire for the second half of last season but the bloke has probably inherited the toughest task a stoke manager has had since the 80s. It is not an overnight fix, it was always going to take years to fix, it won't be easy. Every day I read the term 'tactically inept' on here or various ways of criticising his tactical knowledge. If people can't see that this manager is a pure tactition then the mind boggles. Just because the team aren't a pleasure to watch doesn't mean the tactics aren't working. It's competitive sport not the theatre. Would I prefer to be watching bojan, shaq and Arnie in a 4231 or etherington, pennant and fuller in a 442 yes I would. But a new manager would have come in this summer with zero budget, switched systems and got us relegated for my money. And speaking of money he has achieved all this whilst avoiding breaching financial fair play and avoiding the relegation crocodile. One thing that is getting me excited is that there is a lot of negativity towards him on here this pre season. Mostly the same clueless people that moaned when Pulis came back and the mood is similar to his time in the championship. This club does better when we need to battle and when we are written off. I predict a good season this year. We need 3 more signings, but with this budget it's a massive task to achieve this. it might be a case of two before the deadline, one in January and then a fair crack with an actual transfer budget next summer. But until then let's support our club and not embarrass ourselves by overly criticising a manager who is doing ok. We'll be with you. Granted he’s had a tough job weeding out the squad and he should take credit for that but a few points needed to address It’s been dire from September onwards for the past 2 seasons not just last and given the players he’s had at his disposal that’s not acceptable with virtually zero attempts at goal in many of those games And as for zero budget ….cmon do me a favour as some of the players he’s purchased wether loan or signing are highly regarded/sought after and won’t of come cheap I have no axe to grind with Michael O’Neill and sincerely hope he finds a way to push us on but let’s not skirt around it The football on offer is shite and at times utterly rancid and that is not acceptable
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2022 10:19:59 GMT
People wrongly assume that because I, or other people criticise the manager, it means we won't support the team on a match day. I'm well within my rights to criticise the team on a public forum because the evidence on the pitch tells me we're going absolutely nowhere fast. I am understanding of the financial restrictions, it's the reason why I didn't slag MON off earlier than a lot of other people I know. However, if I look around the league I still see enough players in this squad that the manager should be getting a lot more out of.
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