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Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2022 20:11:57 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today.
He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution.
Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on.
We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!!
I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season.
They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off.
As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement.
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Post by march4 on Apr 18, 2022 20:13:39 GMT
It is no conundrum.
O’Neill’s position is untenable due to two very disappointing seasons.
There is no option other than to replace him asap.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:17:10 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. Oh right not a great performance then. Any win away is a good win mind. Didn't think Fletcher should play again after his Bristol City showing and I've been a fan of his.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 18, 2022 20:27:16 GMT
16 points from the first 6 home games before the Souttar and Powell injuries Even without them, and with the backing he's had, we should have been able to do better than we have done though surely? All that suggests is that we rely painfully heavily on Powell still. Absolutely it's been a disappointing season,there's no getting away from that. Powell would definitely have helped break down deep lying defences.Also think Sawyers is capable of that but he of course also picked up a bad injury.When you add in to that Campbell's poor form I think there's still reason for things to change next season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 18, 2022 20:31:48 GMT
Even without them, and with the backing he's had, we should have been able to do better than we have done though surely? All that suggests is that we rely painfully heavily on Powell still. Absolutely it's been a disappointing season,there's no getting away from that. Powell would definitely have helped break down deep lying defences.Also think Sawyers is capable of that but he of course also picked up a bad injury.When you add in to that Campbell's poor form I think there's still reason for things to change next season. Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 18, 2022 20:33:57 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. He changed his team at half time because they were being completely outplayed. He took one of their centre halves off because he qas 1 foul away from being sent off and he couldnt handle Maja
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Post by mowlee on Apr 18, 2022 20:34:07 GMT
I honestly can’t see the board risking another season with Mon
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 20:35:38 GMT
You've lost me now. I don't rate Maja but how many French clubs has the bloke played for? What’s this……..a fucking quiz🤷🏽♂️
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:35:51 GMT
Absolutely it's been a disappointing season,there's no getting away from that. Powell would definitely have helped break down deep lying defences.Also think Sawyers is capable of that but he of course also picked up a bad injury.When you add in to that Campbell's poor form I think there's still reason for things to change next season. Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries. He hamstrung himself needlessly before a ball was kicked with the make up of the midfield. As recently as Friday when he came on Sawyers was often to be seen as the deepest midfielder which indicates to me he hasn't learned.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 18, 2022 20:38:38 GMT
Absolutely it's been a disappointing season,there's no getting away from that. Powell would definitely have helped break down deep lying defences.Also think Sawyers is capable of that but he of course also picked up a bad injury.When you add in to that Campbell's poor form I think there's still reason for things to change next season. Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries. His biggest mistake was replacing the injured Souttar with Batth/Chester and expecting us to play in the same way.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:39:28 GMT
You've lost me now. I don't rate Maja but how many French clubs has the bloke played for? What’s this……..a fucking quiz🤷🏽♂️ Just me trying to fathom what you're on about leading from your post comparing a shire horse (Clarke Harris) to a Gazelle (Stein) is it any wonder I'm confused?
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 20:42:47 GMT
What’s this……..a fucking quiz🤷🏽♂️ Just me trying to fathom what you're on about leading from your post comparing a shire horse (Clarke Harris) to a Gazelle (Stein) is it any wonder I'm confused? Just watching Made in Chelsea at the minute, I’ll get back to you.👍
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 18, 2022 20:43:58 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. And here’s me thinking your Brexit posts were one eyed, jeez…….
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 18, 2022 20:49:32 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. Is that a serious post?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:52:10 GMT
Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries. His biggest mistake was replacing the injured Souttar with Batth/Chester and expecting us to play in the same way. It was a really dumb obvious issue that he persisted with for what seemed like an age. We did already struggle to break unambitious teams down at home even before Souttar's injury though so I think there was a problem with the approach at home from the outset.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:54:40 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. And here’s me thinking your Brexit posts were one eyed, jeez……. Fucking hell where do these exchanges take place? Brexit now there's an issue I can get really fucked off about.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2022 20:57:50 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. Ah come on. Ferfuxache.
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Post by Davef on Apr 18, 2022 21:26:07 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. How were we lucky to get the goal exactly?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 18, 2022 21:39:15 GMT
I honestly can’t see the board risking another season with Mon I can’t see them not to be honest
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Post by mowlee on Apr 18, 2022 21:52:17 GMT
I honestly can’t see the board risking another season with Mon I can’t see them not to be honest I wouldn’t take the risk if I was a billionaire.. the football is fucking terrible.. 14th
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 18, 2022 22:30:37 GMT
It is no conundrum. O’Neill’s position is untenable due to two very disappointing seasons. There is no option other than to replace him asap. Untenable. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 19, 2022 5:32:37 GMT
I hate being negative after a win, but I think Mowbray totally out managed MON today. He changed his team at half time and took control of the match and they got better with each substitution. Stoke's performance bar Bonham got worse as the game went on. We got lucky with an early goal well taken by Brown, were unlucky with some ref decisions, but the difference in the teams was Bonham. Their GK was hardly troubled by us after our goal. We had 2 shots on target in 90 minutes!!! I get deja vu these days when Fletcher comes on to achieve absolutely nothing, just like Vokes last season. They had free headers and shots which were generally terrible apart from the excellent saves. On chances we should have lost and if I was a Blackburn fan I would be pretty cheesed off. As it is, Brown and our GK won the match for us, despite all the mismanagement. I hate it when we win too
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Post by knype on Apr 19, 2022 5:40:17 GMT
Some of the posts from yesterday are unreal... Stoke bossed the 1st half, deservedly took the lead, possibly should have had a penalty and made a play off chasing side look awful forcing them into completely changing their formation and throwing caution to the wind, we then defended well to earn a good 3 points away from home... It seems like some want Stoke to lose so that they can knock MON and the team?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 19, 2022 7:27:37 GMT
I can’t see them not to be honest I wouldn’t take the risk if I was a billionaire.. the football is fucking terrible.. 14th Snr is a massive fan of shit football hadn’t you noticed. Given recent appointments I fear John has his fathers taste.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 19, 2022 7:37:57 GMT
Absolutely it's been a disappointing season,there's no getting away from that. Powell would definitely have helped break down deep lying defences.Also think Sawyers is capable of that but he of course also picked up a bad injury.When you add in to that Campbell's poor form I think there's still reason for things to change next season. Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries. The trouble has been that aside from Allen and Thompson we started the season short on midfielders who can play deep. Thompson has been injured for most of the season so until Baker came in we had to play just Allen deep which didn't work or Powell or Sawyer both of whom you want further forward. A lot of early tinkering was down to that. Should we have bought someone else in? Possibly but we obviously tried with Baker and when we failed were sure enough that we could get him in January that we didn't want to make do with a lesser player which I totally agree with in our financial strait-jacket. The tinkering since January was first of all to accommodate DWP and JPB meaning moving to a back 4 as neither are wing backs. Then JPB got injured and DWP stopped performing well/was found out by the opposition. To be fair Sawyer's form has been about as inconsistent as our team selection, Vrancic got injured and hasn't performed since he came back, Campbell just hasn't found any sort of form which we were hoping for, Fletcher looks like he's past it and Maja took a while to get match fit. In defence once Souttar got injured we became rudderless as no one could take on the organiser role until we brought in Jagielka. If you look back at the season you can understand the tinkering. MON deserves a season when his main men stay fit and are in form.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2022 7:51:54 GMT
Yet he’s too often picked unbalanced sides, not played Sawyers in his most effective position, the likes of DWP and JPB have gone unused after promising starts, we’ve chopped and changed personnel and systems frantically in the hope that something sticks. It’s as much on him as it is the injuries. The trouble has been that aside from Allen and Thompson we started the season short on midfielders who can play deep. Thompson has been injured for most of the season so until Baker came in we had to play just Allen deep which didn't work or Powell or Sawyer both of whom you want further forward. A lot of early tinkering was down to that. Should we have bought someone else in? Possibly but we obviously tried with Baker and when we failed were sure enough that we could get him in January that we didn't want to make do with a lesser player which I totally agree with in our financial strait-jacket. The tinkering since January was first of all to accommodate DWP and JPB meaning moving to a back 4 as neither are wing backs. Then JPB got injured and DWP stopped performing well/was found out by the opposition. To be fair Sawyer's form has been about as inconsistent as our team selection, Vrancic got injured and hasn't performed since he came back, Campbell just hasn't found any sort of form which we were hoping for, Fletcher looks like he's past it and Maja took a while to get match fit. In defence once Souttar got injured we became rudderless as no one could take on the organiser role until we brought in Jagielka. If you look back at the season you can understand the tinkering. MON deserves a season when his main men stay fit and are in form. Those are almost all problems of his own making though aren't they? We've known since the start of LAST season that we needed a midfielder who could play deeper and bring some physicality, and he signed Sawyers, who absolutely isn't that player. He's shown little to no interest in signing that kind of player. Baker is great but his best role is as a bustling box to box type who can drive forward from deep, we still lack that effective, flinty presence. Yooung players are going to have dips in form and I think we should have seen way more of DWP than we have, given we've been screaming for creativity and game changers. In terms of 'accommodating' JBP, why sign him if you're not going to play a system that he fits into? When he did change the system to fit him into it we actually started looking pretty good again and then he panicked after Luton and reverted to one that squeezed him out. Again the situation with Souttar exposed his lack of flexibility. He tried to stick with the same system with defenders who couldn't do that job and his stubborn refusal to sign a DM made it harder to switch things up without exposing us further.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2022 8:04:51 GMT
Some of the posts from yesterday are unreal... Stoke bossed the 1st half, deservedly took the lead, possibly should have had a penalty and made a play off chasing side look awful forcing them into completely changing their formation and throwing caution to the wind, we then defended well to earn a good 3 points away from home... It seems like some want Stoke to lose so that they can knock MON and the team? I only watched the second half but that was atrocious. The first half sounded decent though.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 19, 2022 8:09:18 GMT
Some of the posts from yesterday are unreal... Stoke bossed the 1st half, deservedly took the lead, possibly should have had a penalty and made a play off chasing side look awful forcing them into completely changing their formation and throwing caution to the wind, we then defended well to earn a good 3 points away from home... It seems like some want Stoke to lose so that they can knock MON and the team? I only watched the second half but that was atrocious. The first half sounded decent though. I watched it on bbc.co.uk never made me angry once which was a big improvement on Friday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 8:10:23 GMT
Some of the posts from yesterday are unreal... Stoke bossed the 1st half, deservedly took the lead, possibly should have had a penalty and made a play off chasing side look awful forcing them into completely changing their formation and throwing caution to the wind, we then defended well to earn a good 3 points away from home... It seems like some want Stoke to lose so that they can knock MON and the team? Never a truer word spoken than that last sentence.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 19, 2022 8:11:56 GMT
The Toxic Avengers post for me illustrates perfectly why a change is needed. He has been found wanting on so many occasions and has flitted around trying to find the solution, whilst seemingly at the same time never learning. I would not want another season of that.
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