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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:24:06 GMT
I think you only weaken the argument when you start bringing his demeanor on the touchline into it. There's plenty to work with without such nonsense. Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless It's also getting personal for no reason. Good football managers come with all manner of different demeanors from Conte to Erikson(Sven) it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if they're on top of their shit.
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 19:24:19 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 19:25:49 GMT
Wasn’t on about respecting mine or other peoples posts. I couldn’t give a shit if you don’t respect my opinion. Instead of me saying he looks like he couldn’t motivate himself (which has obviously offended you) I will say he can’t motivate the team. Is that any better 🙄 I suppose it is. I'm not sure it holds any more water because personally I don't think that's a problem but it didn't offend me I just thought it was disrespectful towards MON who to me looks and sounds like a really genuine guy even if I think his football is wank. It's just a question of being objective. I too think O’Neil looks like a decent guy so if that was being disrespectful it wasn’t ment to be. I’m a strong believer in motivation which is one of the reasons I have a huge respect for mr pulis who you have been disrespectful towards today but I didn’t take the time to tell you.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:26:03 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️ We have one of the better finishers in the league, he starts on the bench.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 19:27:16 GMT
I think you only weaken the argument when you start bringing his demeanor on the touchline into it. There's plenty to work with without such nonsense. Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless Where in my post did I say he should be animated on the touch line.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 19:27:26 GMT
I have never called for the manager to be sacked. My reasoning is that MON is a mid championship table manager and that's what we are at the moment, I see no value in getting rid unless we can secure an upgrade after all what's the point of sacking one mid table manager to replace him with another mid table manager. On reflection this season has been horrifically disappointing with us losing to teams we should really have been getting results from and dropping an unfathomable amount of points from winning positions - but we haven't had a single hammering the closet was the away game at Fulham, we've been great in a few matches and even held our own against premier league opposition in the cup, we have had some some shit injuries to key players and some shit decisions by several referees. Who would be an upgrade? I hear people saying Rooney but FFS he's at best a mid table manager, Dyche yeah he'd be a good fit but would he come here and if so could he turn us around? Farke got Norwich promoted and knows this league but was shown up as wanting when asked to make the step up in the premiership. We've already gone down the route of taking a chance on so called upcoming managers - Rowett and Jones and both were disasters and nearly got us relegated into league one. So as the title thread says it is a conundrum do we stick and give MON the chance to learn from his mistakes this season and hopefully keep some of the points we could have had from winning positions and get results against the bottom teams or do we twist and throw millions at the likes of Dyche or Farke without and hope it pays dividends? Gouranga. Nuno, Jokanovic, Farke and Dyche all clear upgrades All available Would at least one of them take the job?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:28:43 GMT
I suppose it is. I'm not sure it holds any more water because personally I don't think that's a problem but it didn't offend me I just thought it was disrespectful towards MON who to me looks and sounds like a really genuine guy even if I think his football is wank. It's just a question of being objective. I too think O’Neil looks like a decent guy so if that was being disrespectful it wasn’t ment to be. I’m a strong believer in motivation which is one of the reasons I have a huge respect for mr pulis who you have been disrespectful towards today but I didn’t take the time to tell you. Acknowledged. I can't stand the bloke and do tend to say disrespectful things about him. You would have been perfectly justified to point that out to me.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 19:31:05 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️ Agree with the sentiment but Mitrovic is on a the kind of wages we simply can't pay Assuming the €3.5m touted for Maja is our striker budget whoever we get it's going to be quite a gamble We are going to have to get lucky with that kind of budget However we are due some luck on the striker signing stakes
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:36:35 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️ Agree with the sentiment but Mitrovic is on a the kind of wages we simply can't pay Assuming the €3.5m touted for Maja is our striker budget whoever we get it's going to be quite a gamble We are going to have to get lucky with that kind of budget However we are due some luck on the striker signing stakes With or without Maja the addition of a younger targetman type than Fletcher We'd have one of the best forward departments in the divison barring perhaps the relegated clubs not even sure who most of them have who'll be better. We don't create enough and our forwards don't miss an undue ammount of chances.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 19:37:58 GMT
I think you only weaken the argument when you start bringing his demeanor on the touchline into it. There's plenty to work with without such nonsense. Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless Stop making shit up
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:41:07 GMT
I have never called for the manager to be sacked. My reasoning is that MON is a mid championship table manager and that's what we are at the moment, I see no value in getting rid unless we can secure an upgrade after all what's the point of sacking one mid table manager to replace him with another mid table manager. On reflection this season has been horrifically disappointing with us losing to teams we should really have been getting results from and dropping an unfathomable amount of points from winning positions - but we haven't had a single hammering the closet was the away game at Fulham, we've been great in a few matches and even held our own against premier league opposition in the cup, we have had some some shit injuries to key players and some shit decisions by several referees. Who would be an upgrade? I hear people saying Rooney but FFS he's at best a mid table manager, Dyche yeah he'd be a good fit but would he come here and if so could he turn us around? Farke got Norwich promoted and knows this league but was shown up as wanting when asked to make the step up in the premiership. We've already gone down the route of taking a chance on so called upcoming managers - Rowett and Jones and both were disasters and nearly got us relegated into league one. So as the title thread says it is a conundrum do we stick and give MON the chance to learn from his mistakes this season and hopefully keep some of the points we could have had from winning positions and get results against the bottom teams or do we twist and throw millions at the likes of Dyche or Farke without and hope it pays dividends? Gouranga. Nuno, Jokanovic, Farke and Dyche all clear upgrades All available Would at least one of them take the job? Both Nuno and Dyche play mindnumbing football so on that basis I'll go 50/50.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 18, 2022 19:45:22 GMT
Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless MON could be on the touchline vibrating like Ian Curtis at a Chemical Brothers gig and it still wouldn't make a shit of difference. It's the set-up, tactics and mentality he impresses upon the sides he puts out that's the problem. A good bloke to all intents and purposes but an extremely limited manager that looks incredibly unlikely to push us on any further. Time for a change.
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 19:47:13 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️ Agree with the sentiment but Mitrovic is on a the kind of wages we simply can't pay Assuming the €3.5m touted for Maja is our striker budget whoever we get it's going to be quite a gamble We are going to have to get lucky with that kind of budget However we are due some luck on the striker signing stakes Yeah……….we can’t afford Mitrovic money, but you see my point, whatever our max wages affordable are, always go for a goal scorer. I know it’s a risk (as with any signing) but I’d go for Clarke -Harris at Posh (reminds me a bit of Steino) or Maja, he got good movement, awareness and I think he’ll get better with better players around him.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:48:44 GMT
Agree with the sentiment but Mitrovic is on a the kind of wages we simply can't pay Assuming the €3.5m touted for Maja is our striker budget whoever we get it's going to be quite a gamble We are going to have to get lucky with that kind of budget However we are due some luck on the striker signing stakes Yeah……….we can’t afford Mitrovic money, but you see my point, whatever our max wages affordable are, always go for a goal scorer. I know it’s a risk (as with any signing) but I’d go for Clarke -Harris at Posh (reminds me a bit of Steino) or Maja, he got good movement, awareness and I think he’ll get better with better players around him. Honestly couldn't think of a less Stein like player he's a carthorse.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 19:50:44 GMT
Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless MON could be on the touchline vibrating like Ian Curtis at a Chemical Brothers gig and it still wouldn't make a shit of difference. It's the set-up, tactics and mentality he impresses upon the sides he puts out that's the problem. A good bloke to all intents and purposes but an extremely limited manager that looks incredibly unlikely to push us on any further. Time for a change. That’s what I was trying to say. Thanks
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 19:52:17 GMT
I’d spend 75% (or more if needed) of our transfer budget on a goal scorer, that’s what wins you matches. For example with the amount of chances we’ve created from Tymons crosses alone, a Mitrovic say would of buried half of them and we’d be in the top 6 now. I get the best goal scorer available for the money available.⚽️ We have one of the better finishers in the league, he starts on the bench. That maybe true……..but then that’s another story as to why🤷🏽♂️
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 19:54:31 GMT
Agree with the sentiment but Mitrovic is on a the kind of wages we simply can't pay Assuming the €3.5m touted for Maja is our striker budget whoever we get it's going to be quite a gamble We are going to have to get lucky with that kind of budget However we are due some luck on the striker signing stakes Yeah……….we can’t afford Mitrovic money, but you see my point, whatever our max wages affordable are, always go for a goal scorer. I know it’s a risk (as with any signing) but I’d go for Clarke -Harris at Posh (reminds me a bit of Steino) or Maja, he got good movement, awareness and I think he’ll get better with better players around him. Clarke Harris would probably cost a lot more than €3.5m That's my point, it's small beer, we are going to have to take a punt
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 19:56:15 GMT
Yeah……….we can’t afford Mitrovic money, but you see my point, whatever our max wages affordable are, always go for a goal scorer. I know it’s a risk (as with any signing) but I’d go for Clarke -Harris at Posh (reminds me a bit of Steino) or Maja, he got good movement, awareness and I think he’ll get better with better players around him. Honestly couldn't think of a less Stein like player he's a carthorse. Think your getting mixed up with Afobe……….,,Carthorses don’t get to play for Champions League clubs like Lyon, do they?
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 19:56:40 GMT
Nuno, Jokanovic, Farke and Dyche all clear upgrades All available Would at least one of them take the job? Both Nuno and Dyche play mindnumbing football so on that basis I'll go 50/50. Nuno played great football at Wolves in the Championship Dyche...yeah not great to watch
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 19:59:08 GMT
We have one of the better finishers in the league, he starts on the bench. That maybe true……..but then that’s another story as to why🤷🏽♂️ Not really overall contribution hasn't been up to scratch but he's still the best finisher at the club by a country mile. Will his overall contribution improve sitting on the bench. It took him ages when he broke into the side to go the full 90. Potentially our biggest asset I fear the manager may be on course to squander.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 19:59:26 GMT
Does my head in when I see arguments pining for animated on the touchline manager The two most animated managers we ever had were Ball and Jones It's meaningless Stop making shit up What have I made up? They both jumped about on the touchline like idiots They were both appalling for this club
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:00:29 GMT
Honestly couldn't think of a less Stein like player he's a carthorse. Think your getting mixed up with Afobe……….,,Carthorses don’t get to play for Champions League clubs like Lyon, do they? Clarke-Harris, champions league wtf are you smoking?
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 20:02:03 GMT
What have I made up? They both jumped about on the touchline like idiots They were both appalling for this club Not that part your right there. You were insinuating that in my post I thought mon should be jumping up and down like a loony but I never said that. I meant he struggles to motivate the players
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Post by Greenhoff is God on Apr 18, 2022 20:02:35 GMT
Think your getting mixed up with Afobe……….,,Carthorses don’t get to play for Champions League clubs like Lyon, do they? Clarke-Harris, champions league wtf are you smoking? Maja
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:02:57 GMT
Both Nuno and Dyche play mindnumbing football so on that basis I'll go 50/50. Nuno played great football at Wolves in the Championship Dyche...yeah not great to watch Dunno can't say I saw much of Nuno's Wolves pre promotion. His prem team was quite dull and dour, risk adverse. Sound like anyone familiar?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:04:25 GMT
Clarke-Harris, champions league wtf are you smoking? Maja You've lost me now. I don't rate Maja but how many French clubs has the bloke played for?
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 20:04:46 GMT
What have I made up? They both jumped about on the touchline like idiots They were both appalling for this club Not that part your right there. You were insinuating that in my post I thought mon should be jumping up and down like a loony but I never said that. I meant he struggles to motivate the players I wasn't at all, no intent to anyway sorry if it reads that way The players look flat far too often so yes that's up to the manager He's not a really bad manager he's just not a good one
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2022 20:05:09 GMT
Clarke-Harris, champions league wtf are you smoking? Maja Didn't play at Lyon
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 18, 2022 20:07:41 GMT
Not that part your right there. You were insinuating that in my post I thought mon should be jumping up and down like a loony but I never said that. I meant he struggles to motivate the players I wasn't at all, no intent to anyway sorry if it reads that way The players look flat far too often so yes that's up to the manager He's not a really bad manager he's just not a good one Apologies then lord we must have had crossed wires. Correct he’s a average manager
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2022 20:08:59 GMT
So have Bordeux been a champions league club in his time there?
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