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Post by iamstokie on Apr 10, 2022 11:17:17 GMT
They definitely won't want to sack him. They will have a completely different opinion of the job he's done than the average fan as they can see the good work he has quite obviously done behind the scenes. They will have had a plan to see them out of the financial mess that they have created, and will be happy that MON has, and still is guiding them out of that mess. No matter how much bitching, whinging, and moaning us lot do on here, if you strip it back he has done a good job. Could he have done a better job? Of course he could, but our owners will definitely be giving him another crack at it next season, and I agree with them for once. I don’t think he has done a good job. He produced better football from a team he inherited that couldn’t buy a win than a squad he has shaped. That imo is a massive failure. These last two seasons have been spectacularly shite and it’s been because of dour negative management and not much else imo. He was backed this January and that made us worse. That’s not good. Spot on , he’s failed in the football side of things and I don’t think he should take all credit getting the wage bill down , the board would have told him that’s got be done
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Post by stokiedan17 on Apr 10, 2022 11:18:01 GMT
Many things are beyond you, bayern! He’s spent millions and has a massive wage budget for this league. Rowett was massively backed. Jones was massively backed. O’Neil’s has had whatever was left in the tin
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 12:29:56 GMT
He’s spent millions and has a massive wage budget for this league. Rowett was massively backed. Jones was massively backed. O’Neil’s has had whatever was left in the tin He’s spent about 6 million more than I thought he would. For the situation he’s been massively backed.
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2022 12:49:45 GMT
Rowett was massively backed. Jones was massively backed. O’Neil’s has had whatever was left in the tin He’s spent about 6 million more than I thought he would. For the situation he’s been massively backed. His transfers have brought in a net profit. So you were expecting him to make a bigger profit for the club, as well as being in top 6. Despite taking over a team rooted to the bottom of the table and looking likely to be relegated. You’re deluded! But it’s funny reading your posts and seeing you frequently contradict yourself. It’s like expecting Peterborough to survive relegation. Make a profit on transfers off 15 million or whatever and then get in the play offs. Deluded with an agenda.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 12:57:47 GMT
He’s spent about 6 million more than I thought he would. For the situation he’s been massively backed. His transfers have brought in a net profit. So you were expecting him to make a bigger profit for the club, as well as being in top 6. Despite taking over a team rooted to the bottom of the table and looking likely to be relegated. You’re deluded! But it’s funny reading your posts and seeing you frequently contradict yourself. It’s like expecting Peterborough to survive relegation. Make a profit on transfers off 15 million or whatever and then get in the play offs. Deluded with an agenda. I wasn’t expecting to spend a penny. I haven’t mentioned more from sales so I’m not sure what you’re banging on about there. And he hasn’t made a profit has he. We sold a player the club signed for the academy. You’re not a Stoke fan and have been in hiding for months. You’re a MON fan.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 10, 2022 13:00:34 GMT
He’s spent about 6 million more than I thought he would. For the situation he’s been massively backed. His transfers have brought in a net profit. So you were expecting him to make a bigger profit for the club, as well as being in top 6. Despite taking over a team rooted to the bottom of the table and looking likely to be relegated. You’re deluded! But it’s funny reading your posts and seeing you frequently contradict yourself. It’s like expecting Peterborough to survive relegation. Make a profit on transfers off 15 million or whatever and then get in the play offs. Deluded with an agenda. It's nothing like Peterborough. Would they have been allowed to spend around £3m on two players who'd struggle to get into the side and then be moved on (or loaned out) months later? Peterborough are a traditional lower league club. Nicely spun though
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 16:53:21 GMT
Get out of it.. given our position with FFP we had a surprisingly active transfer window. Very well supported? Yeh. He spent literally nothing and the wage bill didn't increase He wheeled and dealed Can't say as I know how much we spent securing those loan deals tbh.. maybe you know? Either way I look at it our form never improved afterwards, though, so it achieved nothing particularly positive on the field. Baker was a brilliant find though. I don't dislike O'Neill btw, as I've said many times, but I don't sit on the side of the fence that thinks he's done a particularly effective job over the last 2 seasons as a coach.
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2022 18:50:08 GMT
His transfers have brought in a net profit. So you were expecting him to make a bigger profit for the club, as well as being in top 6. Despite taking over a team rooted to the bottom of the table and looking likely to be relegated. You’re deluded! But it’s funny reading your posts and seeing you frequently contradict yourself. It’s like expecting Peterborough to survive relegation. Make a profit on transfers off 15 million or whatever and then get in the play offs. Deluded with an agenda. It's nothing like Peterborough. Would they have been allowed to spend around £3m on two players who'd struggle to get into the side and then be moved on (or loaned out) months later? Peterborough are a traditional lower league club. Nicely spun though Peterborough were a bit of an exaggeration. However let’s not focus on this analogy. Are you also one of the opinion that a manager coming in to take over a club rooted to the bottom off the table and very likely to be relegated would be in the championship playoffs within 2 and a half seasons of a new manager taking over? This is while also having to compete with reducing the wage bill substantially and making a profit in the transfer market. The funny thing is right….. Our squad when MON took over is a lot closer to Peterborough’s than Bayerns fantasy top 6 team. So once again reinforcing the financial restrictions which MON has been dealt and that many of you like to pretend didn’t exist. Please tell me where this top 6 squad was coming from? Or I presume you’re suggesting the squad at the time of take over was strong enough to challenge because you’re hardly going to improve it much with FFP issues. So which players did we not get the most out of? And are now proving their worth elsewhere because the manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them. Let me know out of this top 6 squad he inherited: Butland - PL Bench warmer and that the whole fan base turned on? Afobe - Signed for £14 million and hasn’t scored more than 10 goals in a season in 6 years. Ince- Anothee £10 million signing now in a relegation battle with reading Vokes - £7 million wardrobe now in league one Woods - £5 million and now bottom half championship player Etebo - £6.5 million now he could make a difference but didn’t want to play for us. McClean, batth, Gregory, clucas, shawcroas, ward, verlinden, Lindsay, cousins etc etc the list goes on. Even looking back to the squad that got relegated. Which players from that team are or have been plying their trade at a level better than Stoke? Zouma, choupo-moting, Jesé, pieters, Shaqiri and now I’m struggling. So I’m sorry but the team that got relegated wasn’t strong enough to bounce back up, the team after rowetts incomings/outgoings was even worse, and the same goes for the squad MON inherited from NJ. And surprisingly a lot of the players which get touted as some of our best on here (Bursik, Souttar, Collins, Tymon, Campbell etc..) are all young players who have been given the most opportunities by MON and also delivered their best performances. Some of the incomings haven’t been the best but on the whole they’ve been improvements on what was here when MON came in. And when you’re shopping in the bargain bucket you are going to have to take a gamble and not every signing will work out. But the young players that have been given opportunities have improved and increased in value. Similarly a number of signings have improved and increased in value since arriving - Thompson, brown, baker, DWP etc.. And of course some signings just haven’t worked out either but they defo hasn’t been disastrous. Surridge probably being the biggest disappointment of the lot for me. And for what it’s worth. With the squad we have this season we should be much higher up the table. Particularly November through to February have been awful, just like last season when we had the same issue in that spell. And while I can cut some slack due to injuries and misfortune at times. It’s still not been good enough. And for a period I doubted whether MON could turn it around, and I still do have my doubts. But with that said: - It’s ridiculous to expect and think we’d be in the playoffs within 2 1/2 seasons of Michael taking over. - That hope of the playoffs has came due to the miracle of us staying in the division 19/20. - Every player that has been sold has been the correct decision so far imo. - The majority of signings have been an improvement on what we have. - I think if we were to sell the players MON bought we’d have a profit. Unlike his predecessors were we made huge losses on our assets With that said. We now do have a much stronger squad and we should be higher in the table, and with the right signings we really should be challenging or more for the playoffs next season. I think the manager still has a lot to learn too and has used questionable tactics, players and substitutions on a number of occasions. Sometimes these have paid off, but not so much this year. Michael O’Neil in.
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:00:02 GMT
It's nothing like Peterborough. Would they have been allowed to spend around £3m on two players who'd struggle to get into the side and then be moved on (or loaned out) months later? Peterborough are a traditional lower league club. Nicely spun though Peterborough were a bit of an exaggeration. However let’s not focus on this analogy. Are you also one of the opinion that a manager coming in to take over a club rooted to the bottom off the table and very likely to be relegated would be in the championship playoffs within 2 and a half seasons of a new manager taking over? This is while also having to compete with reducing the wage bill substantially and making a profit in the transfer market. The funny thing is right….. Our squad when MON took over is a lot closer to Peterborough’s than Bayerns fantasy top 6 team. So once again reinforcing the financial restrictions which MON has been dealt and that many of you like to pretend didn’t exist. Please tell me where this top 6 squad was coming from? Or I presume you’re suggesting the squad at the time of take over was strong enough to challenge because you’re hardly going to improve it much with FFP issues. So which players did we not get the most out of? And are now proving their worth elsewhere because the manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them. Let me know out of this top 6 squad he inherited: Butland - PL Bench warmer and that the whole fan base turned on? Afobe - Signed for £14 million and hasn’t scored more than 10 goals in a season in 6 years. Ince- Anothee £10 million signing now in a relegation battle with reading Vokes - £7 million wardrobe now in league one Woods - £5 million and now bottom half championship player Etebo - £6.5 million now he could make a difference but didn’t want to play for us. McClean, batth, Gregory, clucas, shawcroas, ward, verlinden, Lindsay, cousins etc etc the list goes on. Even looking back to the squad that got relegated. Which players from that team are or have been plying their trade at a level better than Stoke? Zouma, choupo-moting, Jesé, pieters, Shaqiri and now I’m struggling. So I’m sorry but the team that got relegated wasn’t strong enough to bounce back up, the team after rowetts incomings/outgoings was even worse, and the same goes for the squad MON inherited from NJ. And surprisingly a lot of the players which get touted as some of our best on here (Bursik, Souttar, Collins, Tymon, Campbell etc..) are all young players who have been given the most opportunities by MON and also delivered their best performances. Some of the incomings haven’t been the best but on the whole they’ve been improvements on what was here when MON came in. And when you’re shopping in the bargain bucket you are going to have to take a gamble and not every signing will work out. But the young players that have been given opportunities have improved and increased in value. Similarly a number of signings have improved and increased in value since arriving - Thompson, brown, baker, DWP etc.. And of course some signings just haven’t worked out either but they defo hasn’t been disastrous. Surridge probably being the biggest disappointment of the lot for me. And for what it’s worth. With the squad we have this season we should be much higher up the table. Particularly November through to February have been awful, just like last season when we had the same issue in that spell. And while I can cut some slack due to injuries and misfortune at times. It’s still not been good enough. And for a period I doubted whether MON could turn it around, and I still do have my doubts. But with that said: - It’s ridiculous to expect and think we’d be in the playoffs within 2 1/2 seasons of Michael taking over. - That hope of the playoffs has came due to the miracle of us staying in the division 19/20. - Every player that has been sold has been the correct decision so far imo. - The majority of signings have been an improvement on what we have. - I think if we were to sell the players MON bought we’d have a profit. Unlike his predecessors were we made huge losses on our assets With that said. We now do have a much stronger squad and we should be higher in the table, and with the right signings we really should be challenging or more for the playoffs next season. I think the manager still has a lot to learn too and has used questionable tactics, players and substitutions on a number of occasions. Sometimes these have paid off, but not so much this year. Michael O’Neil in. two words.. Notts Forest
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2022 19:08:11 GMT
Peterborough were a bit of an exaggeration. However let’s not focus on this analogy. Are you also one of the opinion that a manager coming in to take over a club rooted to the bottom off the table and very likely to be relegated would be in the championship playoffs within 2 and a half seasons of a new manager taking over? This is while also having to compete with reducing the wage bill substantially and making a profit in the transfer market. The funny thing is right….. Our squad when MON took over is a lot closer to Peterborough’s than Bayerns fantasy top 6 team. So once again reinforcing the financial restrictions which MON has been dealt and that many of you like to pretend didn’t exist. Please tell me where this top 6 squad was coming from? Or I presume you’re suggesting the squad at the time of take over was strong enough to challenge because you’re hardly going to improve it much with FFP issues. So which players did we not get the most out of? And are now proving their worth elsewhere because the manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them. Let me know out of this top 6 squad he inherited: Butland - PL Bench warmer and that the whole fan base turned on? Afobe - Signed for £14 million and hasn’t scored more than 10 goals in a season in 6 years. Ince- Anothee £10 million signing now in a relegation battle with reading Vokes - £7 million wardrobe now in league one Woods - £5 million and now bottom half championship player Etebo - £6.5 million now he could make a difference but didn’t want to play for us. McClean, batth, Gregory, clucas, shawcroas, ward, verlinden, Lindsay, cousins etc etc the list goes on. Even looking back to the squad that got relegated. Which players from that team are or have been plying their trade at a level better than Stoke? Zouma, choupo-moting, Jesé, pieters, Shaqiri and now I’m struggling. So I’m sorry but the team that got relegated wasn’t strong enough to bounce back up, the team after rowetts incomings/outgoings was even worse, and the same goes for the squad MON inherited from NJ. And surprisingly a lot of the players which get touted as some of our best on here (Bursik, Souttar, Collins, Tymon, Campbell etc..) are all young players who have been given the most opportunities by MON and also delivered their best performances. Some of the incomings haven’t been the best but on the whole they’ve been improvements on what was here when MON came in. And when you’re shopping in the bargain bucket you are going to have to take a gamble and not every signing will work out. But the young players that have been given opportunities have improved and increased in value. Similarly a number of signings have improved and increased in value since arriving - Thompson, brown, baker, DWP etc.. And of course some signings just haven’t worked out either but they defo hasn’t been disastrous. Surridge probably being the biggest disappointment of the lot for me. And for what it’s worth. With the squad we have this season we should be much higher up the table. Particularly November through to February have been awful, just like last season when we had the same issue in that spell. And while I can cut some slack due to injuries and misfortune at times. It’s still not been good enough. And for a period I doubted whether MON could turn it around, and I still do have my doubts. But with that said: - It’s ridiculous to expect and think we’d be in the playoffs within 2 1/2 seasons of Michael taking over. - That hope of the playoffs has came due to the miracle of us staying in the division 19/20. - Every player that has been sold has been the correct decision so far imo. - The majority of signings have been an improvement on what we have. - I think if we were to sell the players MON bought we’d have a profit. Unlike his predecessors were we made huge losses on our assets With that said. We now do have a much stronger squad and we should be higher in the table, and with the right signings we really should be challenging or more for the playoffs next season. I think the manager still has a lot to learn too and has used questionable tactics, players and substitutions on a number of occasions. Sometimes these have paid off, but not so much this year. Michael O’Neil in. two words.. Notts Forest No such team
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 10, 2022 19:18:28 GMT
It's nothing like Peterborough. Would they have been allowed to spend around £3m on two players who'd struggle to get into the side and then be moved on (or loaned out) months later? Peterborough are a traditional lower league club. Nicely spun though Peterborough were a bit of an exaggeration. However let’s not focus on this analogy. Are you also one of the opinion that a manager coming in to take over a club rooted to the bottom off the table and very likely to be relegated would be in the championship playoffs within 2 and a half seasons of a new manager taking over? This is while also having to compete with reducing the wage bill substantially and making a profit in the transfer market. The funny thing is right….. Our squad when MON took over is a lot closer to Peterborough’s than Bayerns fantasy top 6 team. So once again reinforcing the financial restrictions which MON has been dealt and that many of you like to pretend didn’t exist. Please tell me where this top 6 squad was coming from? Or I presume you’re suggesting the squad at the time of take over was strong enough to challenge because you’re hardly going to improve it much with FFP issues. So which players did we not get the most out of? And are now proving their worth elsewhere because the manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them. Let me know out of this top 6 squad he inherited: Butland - PL Bench warmer and that the whole fan base turned on? Afobe - Signed for £14 million and hasn’t scored more than 10 goals in a season in 6 years. Ince- Anothee £10 million signing now in a relegation battle with reading Vokes - £7 million wardrobe now in league one Woods - £5 million and now bottom half championship player Etebo - £6.5 million now he could make a difference but didn’t want to play for us. McClean, batth, Gregory, clucas, shawcroas, ward, verlinden, Lindsay, cousins etc etc the list goes on. Even looking back to the squad that got relegated. Which players from that team are or have been plying their trade at a level better than Stoke? Zouma, choupo-moting, Jesé, pieters, Shaqiri and now I’m struggling. So I’m sorry but the team that got relegated wasn’t strong enough to bounce back up, the team after rowetts incomings/outgoings was even worse, and the same goes for the squad MON inherited from NJ. And surprisingly a lot of the players which get touted as some of our best on here (Bursik, Souttar, Collins, Tymon, Campbell etc..) are all young players who have been given the most opportunities by MON and also delivered their best performances. Some of the incomings haven’t been the best but on the whole they’ve been improvements on what was here when MON came in. And when you’re shopping in the bargain bucket you are going to have to take a gamble and not every signing will work out. But the young players that have been given opportunities have improved and increased in value. Similarly a number of signings have improved and increased in value since arriving - Thompson, brown, baker, DWP etc.. And of course some signings just haven’t worked out either but they defo hasn’t been disastrous. Surridge probably being the biggest disappointment of the lot for me. And for what it’s worth. With the squad we have this season we should be much higher up the table. Particularly November through to February have been awful, just like last season when we had the same issue in that spell. And while I can cut some slack due to injuries and misfortune at times. It’s still not been good enough. And for a period I doubted whether MON could turn it around, and I still do have my doubts. But with that said: - It’s ridiculous to expect and think we’d be in the playoffs within 2 1/2 seasons of Michael taking over. - That hope of the playoffs has came due to the miracle of us staying in the division 19/20. - Every player that has been sold has been the correct decision so far imo. - The majority of signings have been an improvement on what we have. - I think if we were to sell the players MON bought we’d have a profit. Unlike his predecessors were we made huge losses on our assets With that said. We now do have a much stronger squad and we should be higher in the table, and with the right signings we really should be challenging or more for the playoffs next season. I think the manager still has a lot to learn too and has used questionable tactics, players and substitutions on a number of occasions. Sometimes these have paid off, but not so much this year. Michael O’Neil in. Save your breath mate they'll just keep coming back with the same but in a different dress.
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:20:35 GMT
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:27:19 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:29:17 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella I think their 3rd hahahahahha from bottom.. same season hhahahahah
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2022 19:35:45 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella The fact is like I said there’s no such team
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:38:13 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella The fact is like I said there’s no such team Nottingham Forest
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:38:35 GMT
The fact is like I said there’s no such team Nottingham Forest no such team no
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 19:39:17 GMT
Peterborough were a bit of an exaggeration. However let’s not focus on this analogy. Are you also one of the opinion that a manager coming in to take over a club rooted to the bottom off the table and very likely to be relegated would be in the championship playoffs within 2 and a half seasons of a new manager taking over? This is while also having to compete with reducing the wage bill substantially and making a profit in the transfer market. The funny thing is right….. Our squad when MON took over is a lot closer to Peterborough’s than Bayerns fantasy top 6 team. So once again reinforcing the financial restrictions which MON has been dealt and that many of you like to pretend didn’t exist. Please tell me where this top 6 squad was coming from? Or I presume you’re suggesting the squad at the time of take over was strong enough to challenge because you’re hardly going to improve it much with FFP issues. So which players did we not get the most out of? And are now proving their worth elsewhere because the manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them. Let me know out of this top 6 squad he inherited: Butland - PL Bench warmer and that the whole fan base turned on? Afobe - Signed for £14 million and hasn’t scored more than 10 goals in a season in 6 years. Ince- Anothee £10 million signing now in a relegation battle with reading Vokes - £7 million wardrobe now in league one Woods - £5 million and now bottom half championship player Etebo - £6.5 million now he could make a difference but didn’t want to play for us. McClean, batth, Gregory, clucas, shawcroas, ward, verlinden, Lindsay, cousins etc etc the list goes on. Even looking back to the squad that got relegated. Which players from that team are or have been plying their trade at a level better than Stoke? Zouma, choupo-moting, Jesé, pieters, Shaqiri and now I’m struggling. So I’m sorry but the team that got relegated wasn’t strong enough to bounce back up, the team after rowetts incomings/outgoings was even worse, and the same goes for the squad MON inherited from NJ. And surprisingly a lot of the players which get touted as some of our best on here (Bursik, Souttar, Collins, Tymon, Campbell etc..) are all young players who have been given the most opportunities by MON and also delivered their best performances. Some of the incomings haven’t been the best but on the whole they’ve been improvements on what was here when MON came in. And when you’re shopping in the bargain bucket you are going to have to take a gamble and not every signing will work out. But the young players that have been given opportunities have improved and increased in value. Similarly a number of signings have improved and increased in value since arriving - Thompson, brown, baker, DWP etc.. And of course some signings just haven’t worked out either but they defo hasn’t been disastrous. Surridge probably being the biggest disappointment of the lot for me. And for what it’s worth. With the squad we have this season we should be much higher up the table. Particularly November through to February have been awful, just like last season when we had the same issue in that spell. And while I can cut some slack due to injuries and misfortune at times. It’s still not been good enough. And for a period I doubted whether MON could turn it around, and I still do have my doubts. But with that said: - It’s ridiculous to expect and think we’d be in the playoffs within 2 1/2 seasons of Michael taking over. - That hope of the playoffs has came due to the miracle of us staying in the division 19/20. - Every player that has been sold has been the correct decision so far imo. - The majority of signings have been an improvement on what we have. - I think if we were to sell the players MON bought we’d have a profit. Unlike his predecessors were we made huge losses on our assets With that said. We now do have a much stronger squad and we should be higher in the table, and with the right signings we really should be challenging or more for the playoffs next season. I think the manager still has a lot to learn too and has used questionable tactics, players and substitutions on a number of occasions. Sometimes these have paid off, but not so much this year. Michael O’Neil in. two words.. Notts Forest Absolutely.. took the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 19:43:13 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella The fact is like I said there’s no such team Language, both verbal and in writing, is intended to communicate one's thoughts to another individual(s). So you know exactly what point was being made
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2022 19:47:35 GMT
The fact is like I said there’s no such team Nottingham Forest Wasn’t hard was it
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 19:48:49 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 10, 2022 19:49:00 GMT
There are exceptions to prove every rule. Last season fans on here were using Barnsley to criticise O'Neill, but look where Barnsley are now. It's easy to make a basic comparison in football to suit an agenda or point of view.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 20:03:00 GMT
There are exceptions to prove every rule. Last season fans on here were using Barnsley to criticise O'Neill, but look where Barnsley are now. It's easy to make a basic comparison in football to suit an agenda or point of view. A more complex comparison was made and discussed at length, a few months ago. Mowbray's Blackburn were being put forward as to how it's best to approach a long term project, but it could be said it's equally flawed given they're not tearing up any trees since then. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is to ride the crest of a big enough wave, like Leicester did. A manager can have a huge effect very quickly if they create a good wave that transfers inspiration to their team.
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Post by innercitysumo on Apr 10, 2022 20:03:48 GMT
don’t like facts an truth do ya fella I think their 3rd hahahahahha from bottom.. same season hhahahahah You had a few tonight mowlee? Or are you back on th crack?
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2022 20:04:49 GMT
There are exceptions to prove every rule. Last season fans on here were using Barnsley to criticise O'Neill, but look where Barnsley are now. It's easy to make a basic comparison in football to suit an agenda or point of view. They never compare us to Sunderland though who we were very close to joining in league one!
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Post by gawa on Apr 10, 2022 20:07:15 GMT
And in 2 of the last 3 seasons Forest finished 7th and 9th, not as if they haven’t been around the playoffs with their squad.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 20:13:55 GMT
And in 2 of the last 3 seasons Forest finished 7th and 9th, not as if they haven’t been around the playoffs with their squad. They lost their top scorer for a fair few games around Christmas too. In fact they bought Surridge to cover, who's only scored a couple or so ( no surprise there ). They carried on with their run and took it further. Cooper turned things around dramatically for them, that simply cannot be denied.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 10, 2022 20:51:03 GMT
There are exceptions to prove every rule. Last season fans on here were using Barnsley to criticise O'Neill, but look where Barnsley are now. It's easy to make a basic comparison in football to suit an agenda or point of view. A more complex comparison was made and discussed at length, a few months ago. Mowbray's Blackburn were being put forward as to how it's best to approach a long term project, but it could be said it's equally flawed given they're not tearing up any trees since then. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is to ride the crest of a big enough wave, like Leicester did. A manager can have a huge effect very quickly if they create a good wave that transfers inspiration to their team. Blackburn have finished 15th - 11th - 15th, so if they do reach the playoffs this season, it's not a bad example of a club sticking with their manager in what is the longer-term by today's standards, especially as they dropped to 15th after a top-half finish. But not forgetting they were in League 1 very recently. There's never a one-fits-all solution/example in football, as there are so many variables - both known and unknown - to consider. And in 2 of the last 3 seasons Forest finished 7th and 9th, not as if they haven’t been around the playoffs with their squad. They lost their top scorer for a fair few games around Christmas too. In fact they bought Surridge to cover, who's only scored a couple or so ( no surprise there ). They carried on with their run and took it further. Cooper turned things around dramatically for them, that simply cannot be denied. Surridge isn't doing too badly for Forest - he's scored 3 and mostly from sub appearances. He's averaging better than a goal a game based on minutes played. And it seems every season that at least one team has a good run in the second half of the season that gets them into or close to the playoffs.
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Post by mowlee on Apr 10, 2022 21:00:01 GMT
I think their 3rd hahahahahha from bottom.. same season hhahahahah You had a few tonight mowlee? Or are you back on th crack? on crack?? Why
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2022 21:08:12 GMT
A more complex comparison was made and discussed at length, a few months ago. Mowbray's Blackburn were being put forward as to how it's best to approach a long term project, but it could be said it's equally flawed given they're not tearing up any trees since then. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is to ride the crest of a big enough wave, like Leicester did. A manager can have a huge effect very quickly if they create a good wave that transfers inspiration to their team. Blackburn have finished 15th - 11th - 15th, so if they do reach the playoffs this season, it's not a bad example of a club sticking with their manager in what is the longer-term by today's standards, especially as they dropped to 15th after a top-half finish. But not forgetting they were in League 1 very recently. There's never a one-fits-all solution/example in football, as there are so many variables - both known and unknown - to consider. They lost their top scorer for a fair few games around Christmas too. In fact they bought Surridge to cover, who's only scored a couple or so ( no surprise there ). They carried on with their run and took it further. Cooper turned things around dramatically for them, that simply cannot be denied. Surridge isn't doing too badly for Forest - he's scored 3 and mostly from sub appearances. He's averaging better than a goal a game based on minutes played. And it seems every season that at least one team has a good run in the second half of the season that gets them into or close to the playoffs. We're actually in agreement then, in the main. Cooper has done an excellent job .. Blackburn are taking the slow approach, which is ok but doesn't necessarily equal better by any means. Oh and Leicester are just a statistical aberration.
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