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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:21:27 GMT
Instead of your post match lectures about players, tactics and team selections, why don’t you give us a pre match profile ? With this you could enlighten us with your team of players who are fit to play, formation of the team and what tactics you would use against that days opposition. We could keep a record of how your version of Stoke City are faring against the real thing, there, Bayernoatcakes Fantasy ! the gift that just keeps on giving. Cracking idea. My bet is, that his ideas, formation and tactics etc would be an absolute pile of shit. How is it? How can it possibly work? 😂😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:22:26 GMT
I don’t think there is. He knows he’s safe. The board are as big an issue as the manager let’s not forget. He may well be safe now but if we hadn't won any of these last four his position would have been untenable, so their was pressure on him and the board. I disagree. I don’t think this board want to sack him. The two home games we have won have been awful and should change nothing anyway.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 10, 2022 9:25:17 GMT
It’s simple, pre-match you post your team out of the squad players available, the formation of your team and the reasons behind it and finally your tactics. Then we run a league of two teams, your team against the real Stoke City ! But…..no if you can’t see the downfall in that idea then Im not going to bother. I see the downfall quite clearly, your fine commenting and crucifying people after the event but your not prepared to spout your words of wisdom beforehand ? That’s pretty shallow because you had the platform to prove yourself ?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 10, 2022 9:25:32 GMT
Instead of your post match lectures about players, tactics and team selections, why don’t you give us a pre match profile ? With this you could enlighten us with your team of players who are fit to play, formation of the team and what tactics you would use against that days opposition. We could keep a record of how your version of Stoke City are faring against the real thing, there, Bayernoatcakes Fantasy ! the gift that just keeps on giving. Cracking idea. My bet is, that his ideas, formation and tactics etc would be an absolute pile of shit. And you'd prove that how?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:26:33 GMT
But…..no if you can’t see the downfall in that idea then Im not going to bother. I see the downfall quite clearly, your fine commenting and crucifying people after the event but your not prepared to spout your words of wisdom beforehand ? That’s pretty shallow because you had the platform to prove yourself ? No. How can the team I pick be judged. It’s impossible 🤣
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2022 9:26:53 GMT
Three loans (one effectively a swap loan) & a free transfer Hardly pushing the boat out 'very well supported' Nah. Get out of it.. given our position with FFP we had a surprisingly active transfer window. Very well supported? Yeh. He spent literally nothing and the wage bill didn't increase He wheeled and dealed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:27:14 GMT
Cracking idea. My bet is, that his ideas, formation and tactics etc would be an absolute pile of shit. And you'd prove that how? I do wonder sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 9:30:26 GMT
He may well be safe now but if we hadn't won any of these last four his position would have been untenable, so their was pressure on him and the board. I disagree. I don’t think this board want to sack him. The two home games we have won have been awful and should change nothing anyway. They definitely won't want to sack him. They will have a completely different opinion of the job he's done than the average fan as they can see the good work he has quite obviously done behind the scenes. They will have had a plan to see them out of the financial mess that they have created, and will be happy that MON has, and still is guiding them out of that mess. No matter how much bitching, whinging, and moaning us lot do on here, if you strip it back he has done a good job. Could he have done a better job? Of course he could, but our owners will definitely be giving him another crack at it next season, and I agree with them for once.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 10, 2022 9:31:46 GMT
He may well be safe now but if we hadn't won any of these last four his position would have been untenable, so their was pressure on him and the board. I disagree. I don’t think this board want to sack him. The two home games we have won have been awful and should change nothing anyway. I completely agree but I can't see why the board should be wanting to sack him, they should want him to succeed and sack him if they feel it's neccessary. You're right though they should be leaving him in no doubt that things need to change at home big style otherwise I fear what level crowds will dwindle to it's awfully dull and that really does matter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:34:02 GMT
I disagree. I don’t think this board want to sack him. The two home games we have won have been awful and should change nothing anyway. They definitely won't want to sack him. They will have a completely different opinion of the job he's done than the average fan as they can see the good work he has quite obviously done behind the scenes. They will have had a plan to see them out of the financial mess that they have created, and will be happy that MON has, and still is guiding them out of that mess. No matter how much bitching, whinging, and moaning us lot do on here, if you strip it back he has done a good job. Could he have done a better job? Of course he could, but our owners will definitely be giving him another crack at it next season, and I agree with them for once. I don’t think he has done a good job. He produced better football from a team he inherited that couldn’t buy a win than a squad he has shaped. That imo is a massive failure. These last two seasons have been spectacularly shite and it’s been because of dour negative management and not much else imo. He was backed this January and that made us worse. That’s not good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 9:34:14 GMT
Cracking idea. My bet is, that his ideas, formation and tactics etc would be an absolute pile of shit. And you'd prove that how? You wouldn't, but it would be great to hear the boards resident Pep Guardiola give us his insights pre-match, about our opponents, and how we should set up to beat them. After all, he's the only bloke I know who makes claims such as.... If his opinion was listened to, we would still be a Premier league team To use one of his favourite sayings..... How he isn't employed in the game, is really odd.
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2022 9:34:51 GMT
Specifically talking about the January window 5 players came in 5 players left One sale, no one bought Highish earners Batth and Davies out the door He wasn't backed at all he wheeled and dealed Overall O'Neill net spend will be in the minus whilst the wage bill has tumbled He's failed to get best out of the players, they should be doing much better (& happy to agree someone else could do better) but 'massively backed' is utter nonsense. But it shows that the backing is there. Batth was awful for us. Davies is average and no loss. He was massively backed. He got in what he called expensive loans. He was talking about play offs. We bought in a player in Baker who will be on 20k a week? He’s been heavily backed. Missed the point completely He can only be argued to be massively backed if allowed either to spend money on transfers or increase in the wage bill (or both) Neither occurred, he wheeled and dealed Batth was on at least as much as Baker will be on Davies not far behind Moore and Ince balances out £wise Surridge Maja the same Ostigard out THB in Edwards loan again, JPB in He literally wasn't backed at all (understandably given FFP), he did it all himself Completely agree that he's subsequently failed to get performances out of the team.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 10, 2022 9:37:49 GMT
Cracking idea. My bet is, that his ideas, formation and tactics etc would be an absolute pile of shit. And you'd prove that how? This isn’t rocket science ? Bayernoatcake posts his team, formation & tactics BEFORE each match that the real Stoke City are playing, then we start a league based on Bayern’s Stoke sides results against the real Stoke City. It would provide goal difference, top goal scorer etc, etc, the only difference would be that Bayern isn’t under any pressure, he could even resign if he wanted.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 10, 2022 9:41:58 GMT
And you'd prove that how? This isn’t rocket science ? Bayernoatcake posts his team, formation & tactics BEFORE each match that the real Stoke City are playing, then we start a league based on Bayern’s Stoke sides results against the real Stoke City. It would provide goal difference, top goal scorer etc, etc, the only difference would be that Bayern isn’t under any pressure, he could even resign if he wanted. You're completely fucking nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 9:45:02 GMT
He may well be safe now but if we hadn't won any of these last four his position would have been untenable, so their was pressure on him and the board. I disagree. I don’t think this board want to sack him. The two home games we have won have been awful and should change nothing anyway. I agree that they don't want to sack him but I think they would have had to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 9:46:19 GMT
But it shows that the backing is there. Batth was awful for us. Davies is average and no loss. He was massively backed. He got in what he called expensive loans. He was talking about play offs. We bought in a player in Baker who will be on 20k a week? He’s been heavily backed. Missed the point completely He can only be argued to be massively backed if allowed either to spend money on transfers or increase in the wage bill (or both) Neither occurred, he wheeled and dealed Batth was on at least as much as Baker will be on Davies not far behind Moore and Ince balances out £wise Surridge Maja the same Ostigard out THB in Edwards loan again, JPB in He literally wasn't backed at all (understandably given FFP), he did it all himself Completely agree that he's subsequently failed to get performances out of the team. I haven’t missed the point. I just think he’s been massively backed because, well he has been.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 10, 2022 9:46:50 GMT
This isn’t rocket science ? Bayernoatcake posts his team, formation & tactics BEFORE each match that the real Stoke City are playing, then we start a league based on Bayern’s Stoke sides results against the real Stoke City. It would provide goal difference, top goal scorer etc, etc, the only difference would be that Bayern isn’t under any pressure, he could even resign if he wanted. You're completely fucking nuts. I’m a Stoke fan so that’s a prerequisite 🤪
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 10, 2022 10:05:57 GMT
And you'd prove that how? You wouldn't, but it would be great to hear the boards resident Pep Guardiola give us his insights pre-match, about our opponents, and how we should set up to beat them. After all, he's the only bloke I know who makes claims such as.... A. If his opinion was listened to, we would still be a Premier league team To use one of his favourite sayings..... B. How he isn't employed in the game, is really odd. I don't think the two claims are in anyway alike. I'd say that A is a view that could reasonably held by a huge number of people whereas B comes across as completely narcissitic.
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2022 10:18:26 GMT
Missed the point completely He can only be argued to be massively backed if allowed either to spend money on transfers or increase in the wage bill (or both) Neither occurred, he wheeled and dealed Batth was on at least as much as Baker will be on Davies not far behind Moore and Ince balances out £wise Surridge Maja the same Ostigard out THB in Edwards loan again, JPB in He literally wasn't backed at all (understandably given FFP), he did it all himself Completely agree that he's subsequently failed to get performances out of the team. I haven’t missed the point. I just think he’s been massively backed because, well he has been. With no increase whatsoever in his budget? Please explain how he has been backed when the budget hasn't been increased?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 10:20:10 GMT
I haven’t missed the point. I just think he’s been massively backed because, well he has been. With no increase whatsoever in his budget? Please explain how he has been backed when the budget hasn't been increased? Yes. It should be going down considerably. He was lucky they allowed him to do what he did in January. He was backed to the hilt with the deals.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 10, 2022 10:24:22 GMT
With no increase whatsoever in his budget? Please explain how he has been backed when the budget hasn't been increased? Yes. It should be going down considerably. He was lucky they allowed him to do what he did in January. He was backed to the hilt with the deals. A negative net spend and millions slashed off the wage bill doesn’t suggest “backed to the hilt” to me at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 10:28:34 GMT
Yes. It should be going down considerably. He was lucky they allowed him to do what he did in January. He was backed to the hilt with the deals. A negative net spend and millions slashed off the wage bill doesn’t suggest “backed to the hilt” to me at all. He clearly has been. He’s been allowed to change the team and to spend way more than I expected in the process. We’ve still got one of the bigger wage bills in the league too. He’s been massively backed.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 10, 2022 10:32:59 GMT
A negative net spend and millions slashed off the wage bill doesn’t suggest “backed to the hilt” to me at all. He clearly has been. He’s been allowed to change the team and to spend way more than I expected in the process. We’ve still got one of the bigger wage bills in the league too. He’s been massively backed. He quite simply hasn’t been. You can’t argue with the facts. The facts are he’s running at a negative net spend and has had to reduce the wage bill by millions of pounds.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 10:36:07 GMT
He clearly has been. He’s been allowed to change the team and to spend way more than I expected in the process. We’ve still got one of the bigger wage bills in the league too. He’s been massively backed. He quite simply hasn’t been. You can’t argue with the facts. The facts are he’s running at a negative net spend and has had to reduce the wage bill by millions of pounds. He has. We done way more than any of us expected. He has spent way more than any of us expected. We made what he has called “expensive” deals in January. He’s been massively backed.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 10, 2022 10:37:37 GMT
I haven’t missed the point. I just think he’s been massively backed because, well he has been. With no increase whatsoever in his budget? Please explain how he has been backed when the budget hasn't been increased? Worse than his budget not having been increased, it has been DECREASED by £millions per year in terms of the wages paid to the players now compared to the wages paid to the players he inherited. Obviously the decrease in wages has been essential to get FFP under control as has the minimal amount MON has been able to spend on new players. I really don't see bayern's argument at all. I wonder what players bayern would have managed to recruit on a fraction of the wages of, say, Rowett's or Jones' teams and how he would have managed if, at the same time he had needed to recruit players for no net spend on fees, he had also had to move on large numbers of hugely expensive, under performing deadwood, whilst staying just on the right side of FFP. Of course in bayern's mind these things are easy, in the real world they aren't and MON has worked wonders given the dire situation he inherited. That isn't to say that big improvements in tactics and game management aren't needed but, now that FFP is largely beaten I'm sure we will see some significant improvements.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 10:39:58 GMT
With no increase whatsoever in his budget? Please explain how he has been backed when the budget hasn't been increased? Worse than his budget not having been increased, it has been DECREASED by £millions per year in terms of the wages paid to the players now compared to the wages paid to the players he inherited. Obviously the decrease in wages has been essential to get FFP under control as has the minimal amount MON has been able to spend on new players. I really don't see bayern's argument at all. I wonder what players bayern would have managed to recruit on a fraction of the wages of, say, Rowett's or Jones' teams and how he would have managed if, at the same time he had needed to recruit players for no net spend on fees, he had also had to move on large numbers of hugely expensive, under performing deadwood, whilst staying just on the right side of FFP. Of course in bayern's mind these things are easy, in the real world they aren't and MON has worked wonders given the dire situation he inherited. That isn't to say that big improvements in tactics and game management aren't needed but, now that FFP is largely beaten I'm sure we will see some significant improvements. Hes been given money to spend for a start. Which I didn’t expect. He’s still got one of the biggest wage budgets in the league. How anyone can say he hasn’t been heavily backed is beyond me.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 10, 2022 10:42:30 GMT
He quite simply hasn’t been. You can’t argue with the facts. The facts are he’s running at a negative net spend and has had to reduce the wage bill by millions of pounds. He has. We done way more than any of us expected. He has spent way more than any of us expected. We made what he has called “expensive” deals in January. He’s been massively backed. You can repeat it one trillion times and it won’t stop being horseshit. He hasn’t been massively backed in any way shape or form. Rowett was massively backed, so was Jones to a lesser extent. O’Neill has had to pick up the pieces.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 10, 2022 10:45:46 GMT
Worse than his budget not having been increased, it has been DECREASED by £millions per year in terms of the wages paid to the players now compared to the wages paid to the players he inherited. Obviously the decrease in wages has been essential to get FFP under control as has the minimal amount MON has been able to spend on new players. I really don't see bayern's argument at all. I wonder what players bayern would have managed to recruit on a fraction of the wages of, say, Rowett's or Jones' teams and how he would have managed if, at the same time he had needed to recruit players for no net spend on fees, he had also had to move on large numbers of hugely expensive, under performing deadwood, whilst staying just on the right side of FFP. Of course in bayern's mind these things are easy, in the real world they aren't and MON has worked wonders given the dire situation he inherited. That isn't to say that big improvements in tactics and game management aren't needed but, now that FFP is largely beaten I'm sure we will see some significant improvements. Hes been given money to spend for a start. Which I didn’t expect. He’s still got one of the biggest wage budgets in the league. How anyone can say he hasn’t been heavily backed is beyond me. Many things are beyond you, bayern!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2022 10:48:32 GMT
Hes been given money to spend for a start. Which I didn’t expect. He’s still got one of the biggest wage budgets in the league. How anyone can say he hasn’t been heavily backed is beyond me. Many things are beyond you, bayern! He’s spent millions and has a massive wage budget for this league.
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Post by a on Apr 10, 2022 11:13:38 GMT
Still does not change the fact that its been a sorry season with some really poor results & displays its strange how some people forget we lost to a very poor Reading side a few days ago without laying a glove on them. No no, all is forgiven now and we’re going to smash it next season. 15th is a good league position to be in, we’re only Stoke don’t forget.
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