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Post by theonlooker on Feb 1, 2022 17:37:30 GMT
Remaining fixtures
Swansea City (H) - 3 Nottingham Forest (A) - 0 Birmingham City (H) - 3 Luton Town (H) - 1 AFC Bournemouth (A) - 0
Blackpool (H) - 3 Peterborough United (A) - 3 Cardiff City (A) - 1 Millwall (H) - 1 Sheffield United (H) - 3 Reading (A) - 1 West Bromwich Albion (A) - 1 Bristol City (H) - 3 Blackburn Rovers (A) - 0 Queens Park Rangers (H) - 1 Middlesbrough (A) - 1 Coventry (H) - 3
Barnsley (A) - 3
Total points finish - 70
Best case scenario I think will be something like this. Close.
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Post by Gods on Feb 1, 2022 17:42:11 GMT
We don't have an earthly.
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Post by jokker on Feb 1, 2022 17:48:49 GMT
Remaining fixtures Swansea City (H) - 3 Nottingham Forest (A) - 0 Birmingham City (H) - 3 Luton Town (H) - 1 AFC Bournemouth (A) - 0
Blackpool (H) - 3 Peterborough United (A) - 3 Cardiff City (A) - 1 Millwall (H) - 1 Sheffield United (H) - 3 Reading (A) - 1 West Bromwich Albion (A) - 1 Bristol City (H) - 3 Blackburn Rovers (A) - 0 Queens Park Rangers (H) - 1 Middlesbrough (A) - 1 Coventry (H) - 3 Barnsley (A) - 3
Total points finish - 70
Best case scenario I think will be something like this. Close.
Other than Fulham going up, you can't predict anything about any team this year. We could quite eaily beat B'mouth - we did last year, then we'll lose handsomely to P'borugh a few games later. Perhaps the one thing you can predict based on our form this season is that we won't beat Blackpool, SheffU. Bristol C, and Coventry- Then just to spite ourselves we will win vs Blackburn, QOR, Brom, and B'mouth, as I've already suggested, as if to prove we really belong up there with them, but it will be two of them that go up, and we won't. What we really need - short of winning all 18 - is to go on a winning/not losing spree, like win 10 games in a row and drawing 8.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 1, 2022 17:58:54 GMT
Our away form to some degree would justify regarding us as outsiders for promotion. It definitely can be achieved, because there are so many other teams that are inconsistent, and it would be possible to profit from that were we able to find consistency ourselves. It's our home form that's blocking us from finding that consistency. Sadly many of our players can't do it on a wet and windy night in stoke (or any other night for that matter).
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 1, 2022 17:59:04 GMT
Our away form to some degree would justify regarding us as outsiders for promotion. It definitely can be achieved, because there are so many other teams that are inconsistent, and it would be possible to profit from that were we able to find consistency ourselves. It's our home form that's blocking us from finding that consistency. Double post
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Post by jokker on Feb 1, 2022 18:03:21 GMT
Our away form to some degree would justify regarding us as outsiders for promotion. It definitely can be achieved, because there are so many other teams that are inconsistent, and it would be possible to profit from that were we able to find consistency ourselves. It's our home form that's blocking us from finding that consistency. Sadly many of our players can't do it on a wet and windy night in stoke (or any other night for that matter). You may be on to something...
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 1, 2022 18:52:13 GMT
We need to have an exceptional 10 game wining run like Villa did a few seasons ago, You never know with the new additions , but seems unlikely based on recent performances.
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Post by theoptimist on Feb 1, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
Highly unlikely. We'd have to step up our points per game AND rely on several sides above sliding. I live in hope, rather than expectation.
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Post by DC1863 on Feb 1, 2022 20:31:00 GMT
I dont feel personally the playoffs are as out of reach as some people are suggesting, we dont need 8, 9, 10 wins in a row, christ if we did that we'd be challenging for the automatic places.
Our next three home games are definitely winnable, win those and pick up a point or two away at Forest & Bmouth and we will be right back in the mix.
On current form it's not very likely, but it's definitely achievable.
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Post by hotpot on Feb 2, 2022 0:32:09 GMT
We just had one of the best transfer dealings in yonks. Our new players like DWB, Philo, Maja, Baker, Moore, THB and Sima are simply quality. I'd be disappointed if we do not win more than a dozen of our last 18 matches.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 2, 2022 1:29:10 GMT
We seem to be more intent on winning the Inconsistency Cup at the moment.
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Post by tejstokie on Feb 2, 2022 1:47:06 GMT
It's not gonna happen. Unless our new signings decide to get two goals a match each 😂
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 2, 2022 2:43:01 GMT
Looking back at the points for the 6th placed team over the previous 3 seasons, it ranges from 70pts (lowest) to 77pts (highest), with 74pts being enough 3 years ago. The current 6th place team (Boro) are on 45pts from 28 games. Pro-rata that out for the remainder of the season and it gives a final tally of 74 points (the same number of the 6th place team in the 2018/19 season). We're currently on 39 points from 28 games (an average of 1.39pts per game). In order to get to 74 points come the end of the season, we need 35 points from the remaining 18 games (pretty much bang on 2pts per game). That's the same kind of return that Fulham are currently on, sitting top with 58pts from 28 games. Most agree that Fulham have been head and shoulders above every other team in the league so far, so that gives an indication of what's required to get that kind of return. Even with all the changes, new signings and optimism thrown up from the January window, I can't for the life of me see that kind of transformation over the latter part of the season. We'll probably need 10 wins and 5 draws from the last 18 games. That's a very big ask. It’s always hard to know with regards to the averages for points. It’s been a tight league this year and those who have taken our place in the playoffs have been in promotion form. If they keep it up, I expect we won’t have a chance. Chances are though that at least one will fall to pieces.
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Post by jokker on Feb 2, 2022 6:44:45 GMT
We just had one of the best transfer dealings in yonks. Our new players like DWB, Philo, Maja, Baker, Moore, THB and Sima are simply quality. I'd be disappointed if we do not win more than a dozen of our last 18 matches. We sent Sima back home to nurse his long term injury and then signed him again, did we? Disregarding that he showed absolutely no quality during his short spell? I don't think so. As for your demand that we win 13 or more of our last 18 matches, what can I say? It's a human right to be disappointed... But if we do win so many, I'll have your breakfast!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 2, 2022 7:23:29 GMT
Mathematically of course we can. Reality, experience, recent history all point to nope.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 2, 2022 7:52:43 GMT
Luton an outside bet for top 6 , mad naths barmy army 😜
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Post by yyy on Feb 2, 2022 8:17:57 GMT
Depends if we can gel half a new team whilst at the same time picking up the results needed and if tinker man keeps on tinkering to find the best combination. We cant afford too many slip ups now.
If I was betting I'd say its a tall order and keep my money in my pocket
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Post by yyy on Feb 2, 2022 8:21:06 GMT
Luton an outside bet for top 6 , mad naths barmy army 😜 Just imagine though... 😆 God willing nath isn't beating his chest every week on motd
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Post by jokker on Feb 2, 2022 8:23:24 GMT
Luton an outside bet for top 6 , mad naths barmy army 😜 They're three pts ahead of us, with a slightly better gd, and same amount of games. So in comparison to us they'd have to be favourites...and to go on sinking down the leagues if they do make it upstairs. You have to hope for their sakes the manager keeps his barnet on!
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Post by andystokey on Feb 2, 2022 8:40:38 GMT
Biggest question is will we actually get more points than last year. Maybe not, no progression on the pitch.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Feb 2, 2022 9:13:33 GMT
Fair set of predicted results, though in this league predicting results is a lottery. It all starts at home to Swansea which is an absolute must win to kick start a decent run going. As for the fa cup, I love, it but I would use to play people who need game time, so a few new fellas and some more game time for Powell - would be a good confidence boost to win, but also means another game when we haven’t rearranged all the ones missed a few weeks earlier.
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Post by jokker on Feb 2, 2022 10:34:35 GMT
Fair set of predicted results, though in this league predicting results is a lottery. It all starts at home to Swansea which is an absolute must win to kick start a decent run going. As for the fa cup, I love, it but I would use to play people who need game time, so a few new fellas and some more game time for Powell - would be a good confidence boost to win, but also means another game when we haven’t rearranged all the ones missed a few weeks earlier. "all the ones" amounts to one game now. With no replays in the cup this year, we just need to fit in one midweek game.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 2, 2022 12:28:46 GMT
It would have to be a turnaround of amazing proportions for us to make the top 6. I'm the eternal optimist but I can't see us doing it. Of the teams above us, Sheff United have two games in hand over us and Coventry have one. We have a game in hand on four teams above us. We have potential six-pointers against 9 teams above us - 5 away and 4 at home. It just ain't gonna happen. From where we are now, a top 10 finish will be decent progress. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 12:37:56 GMT
Your usual check list for a promotion winning team
Good keeper Good Defence Good Goal scorer
I am pretty sure , we are not ticking 3 boxes out of 3
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Post by stormin on Feb 2, 2022 12:56:26 GMT
We don't have an earthly. A few years ago Fulham came from mid table to win promotion, but we are too many wins away from the top six.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 13:07:25 GMT
17 games to go is it? 6 points can be made up in 4 days in this division
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Post by jokker on Feb 2, 2022 14:45:06 GMT
It would have to be a turnaround of amazing proportions for us to make the top 6. I'm the eternal optimist but I can't see us doing it. Of the teams above us, Sheff United have two games in hand over us and Coventry have one. We have a game in hand on four teams above us. We have potential six-pointers against 9 teams above us - 5 away and 4 at home. It just ain't gonna happen. From where we are now, a top 10 finish will be decent progress. OS. The new signings we've made - a staggering number mid season if you ask me - could either take too long integrating themselves that they are disruptive or they could hit the ground running and become real season changers. Time will soon enough tell us which it is, but it's by no means impossible. We play nine teams above us? With 18 games left and us in midtable that's no surprise. But if you look at our previous, we tend to do well against teams that are above us (as long as they're not Fulham, but we've had our share of them, they won't come around again. Other teams are not so lucky). We often do this especially well against clubs that are usually top teams, like WBA. There's an extra incentative, because we fancy ourselves to be better and so we want to prove it. Whereas we probably underestimate teams like Luton - the Jones factor seems to have faded or is working in his favour. Although I've made several comments in threads, I've made no end of season predictions. Anything could happen. As many as 16 teams could reach the final play off spots.
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Post by stokeyank on Feb 2, 2022 15:17:01 GMT
Well considering we still have no playmaking midfielders, we still play a back 3 with guys who are not really wing back types and we have not played well since before the holidays, I'm going with no chance of playoffs. I really am a glass half full type, but absolutely nothing points to us being able to pick up the points needed. Now it is not "impossible", it is improbable.
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Post by jokker on Feb 2, 2022 15:34:28 GMT
Well considering we still have no playmaking midfielders, we still play a back 3 with guys who are not really wing back types and we have not played well since before the holidays, I'm going with no chance of playoffs. I really am a glass half full type, but absolutely nothing points to us being able to pick up the points needed. Now it is not "impossible", it is improbable. You're entitled to your view, but we have no playmaking midfielders? Powell has returned, and Vrancic and Sawyers are well on their way back. Some believe there's a playmaker hidden in Thompson, who's also back. If you know which system we are playing after the window you're probably the only one. A lot say a 4-man defence, others go with 3, as you reject, and I believe we will play with at least five central defenders splattered all over the pitch.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 2, 2022 15:43:16 GMT
Well considering we still have no playmaking midfielders, we still play a back 3 with guys who are not really wing back types and we have not played well since before the holidays, I'm going with no chance of playoffs. I really am a glass half full type, but absolutely nothing points to us being able to pick up the points needed. Now it is not "impossible", it is improbable. I think the idea is that Baker is the playmaking midfielder? He certainly looks to have some impetus and can spray the ball around a bit?
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