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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2022 19:53:31 GMT
2 wins in 10.......we aren't in it at all Unbeaten in 5, we are Better to win one, lose one than draw them all.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2022 20:04:30 GMT
There's not a lot to cheer about being 13th, but...we're no worse off than we were before the game, and in fact we did move just a tiny fraction closer to the play-off zone. The reason of course is that we weren't the only team of 'between 5th-19th' that had dodgy results today. It was actually a poor result for Brum if they harbour play off ambitions. So play-offs are still within reach for us. Well within reach, I'd say. We’d need title-winning form for the rest of the season. Show of hands who thinks that will happen? It’s gone.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 19, 2022 20:05:51 GMT
Better to win one, lose one than draw them all. Isn't it theoretically possible to go 46 unbeaten and get relegated? 46 draws? That's how worthless draws are. No one gets promoted with draws, ask Rowett.
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Post by bhp on Feb 19, 2022 20:38:41 GMT
Needs automatic form in 15 games to have an outside chance. Highly unlikely. We'll be around mid sixties points wise, 9-13th
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 19, 2022 20:41:57 GMT
Needs automatic form in 15 games to have an outside chance. Highly unlikely. We'll be around mid sixties points wise, 9-13th If we’re going to have a serious push next season O’Neill need’s to go!!!
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 19, 2022 21:47:13 GMT
Better to win one, lose one than draw them all. won 2 drawn 3 ?
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Post by jokker on Feb 20, 2022 10:12:38 GMT
There's not a lot to cheer about being 13th, but...we're no worse off than we were before the game, and in fact we did move just a tiny fraction closer to the play-off zone. The reason of course is that we weren't the only team of 'between 5th-19th' that had dodgy results today. It was actually a poor result for Brum if they harbour play off ambitions. So play-offs are still within reach for us. Well within reach, I'd say. We’d need title-winning form for the rest of the season. Show of hands who thinks that will happen? It’s gone. It's never gone while it's still within reach, and it is.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 20, 2022 13:04:38 GMT
Absolutely no chance. Look at our Win and Loss record, it's middle for diddle and we're where we should be based on that. How many points lost from winning positions now? 4 in the last two games alone. We've gained 4 all season (when losing)! Or looking at it optomistically we have gained 2 points from losing positions in the last 2 games.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2022 13:20:04 GMT
Absolutely no chance. Look at our Win and Loss record, it's middle for diddle and we're where we should be based on that. How many points lost from winning positions now? 4 in the last two games alone. We've gained 4 all season (when losing)! Or looking at it optomistically we have gained 2 points from losing positions in the last 2 games. Or looking at it more realistically, we've thrown away the last lead in each game. One against 10 men who didn't have a proper keeper.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 20, 2022 15:50:29 GMT
I think most Stoke fans would've taken 7 points out of the 3 games before the Birmingham result. Just turns Bournemouth into a must win now. Still in the race imo. Play-offs usually require upwards of 75 points to get into. We have 44. 15 games left. That means a probable run-in of W10, D2, L3 to get 32 points and end up with 76. Anyone who thinks that is likely given our form from 31 games so far is indulging in a spot of wishful thinking. We all wish it happens, but the reality is going to be otherwise.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 20, 2022 16:22:01 GMT
Or looking at it optomistically we have gained 2 points from losing positions in the last 2 games. Or looking at it more realistically, we've thrown away the last lead in each game. One against 10 men who didn't have a proper keeper. I agree, but you keep saying we haven't picked up points from losing positions, other than those 4, and it's just not true.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2022 18:33:26 GMT
Or looking at it more realistically, we've thrown away the last lead in each game. One against 10 men who didn't have a proper keeper. I agree, but you keep saying we haven't picked up points from losing positions, other than those 4, and it's just not true. If a team goes 1-0 up, then 1-2 down but grab a draw with the last goal of the game, they've come from behind to draw in my view. The problem is there haven't been many occasions where we've been the team to end the scoring this season
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 20, 2022 19:40:17 GMT
We’ve got no chance, we’re never really in the running and never will be with O’Neill in charge!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 20:56:32 GMT
We’ve got no chance, we’re never really in the running and never will be with O’Neill in charge!!!!!! We haven't been in the running since relegation Duckers. This is as much progress as we've made. At least going in the right direction but frustrating.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2022 21:39:13 GMT
I think most Stoke fans would've taken 7 points out of the 3 games before the Birmingham result. Just turns Bournemouth into a must win now. Still in the race imo. The trouble is we didn't get 7 points out of the 3 games before the Birmingham result!
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2022 16:27:46 GMT
For the record, on March 22, 2015, Leicester city had 9 games left and were seven points behind the first “safe from relegation” spot. They had won 2 of their previous 24 games and had lost 17. On February 21, 2022, Stoke City had 15 games left and were 6 points behind the last playoff spot. They had won more games than they’d lost for only the fifth time in the past 20 years. They had been relegation certainties just 26 months earlier.
Anyone who says we’re going nowhere, the playoffs are impossible to reach this season, MON should be run off, etc, has absolutely no sense of perspective in my opinion.
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 21, 2022 20:14:33 GMT
For the record, on March 22, 2015, Leicester city had 9 games left and were seven points behind the first “safe from relegation” spot. They had won 2 of their previous 24 games and had lost 17. On February 21, 2022, Stoke City had 15 games left and were 6 points behind the last playoff spot. They had won more games than they’d lost for only the fifth time in the past 20 years. They had been relegation certainties just 26 months earlier. Anyone who says we’re going nowhere, the playoffs are impossible to reach this season, MON should be run off, etc, has absolutely no sense of perspective in my opinion. Keep off the drugs!!!!!!
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Post by HarryTheHat on Feb 21, 2022 20:19:41 GMT
For the record, on March 22, 2015, Leicester city had 9 games left and were seven points behind the first “safe from relegation” spot. They had won 2 of their previous 24 games and had lost 17. On February 21, 2022, Stoke City had 15 games left and were 6 points behind the last playoff spot. They had won more games than they’d lost for only the fifth time in the past 20 years. They had been relegation certainties just 26 months earlier. Anyone who says we’re going nowhere, the playoffs are impossible to reach this season, MON should be run off, etc, has absolutely no sense of perspective in my opinion. Utterly deluded post
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 21, 2022 20:44:53 GMT
Needs automatic form in 15 games to have an outside chance. Highly unlikely. We'll be around mid sixties points wise, 9-13th I,draw the learned gentlemen to my prediction in august 55-60 points top of the bottom half or bottom of the top
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2022 20:47:45 GMT
For the record, on March 22, 2015, Leicester city had 9 games left and were seven points behind the first “safe from relegation” spot. They had won 2 of their previous 24 games and had lost 17. On February 21, 2022, Stoke City had 15 games left and were 6 points behind the last playoff spot. They had won more games than they’d lost for only the fifth time in the past 20 years. They had been relegation certainties just 26 months earlier. Anyone who says we’re going nowhere, the playoffs are impossible to reach this season, MON should be run off, etc, has absolutely no sense of perspective in my opinion. Keep off the drugs!!!!!! In other words, you do not think that anyone can make up 6 points in 15 games, or to put it more accurately, you think it's impossible to get 31/32 points from 15 games, but instead of trying to engage in logical debate, you simply resort to insults. I can see you going far in life with that approach.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2022 20:48:11 GMT
For the record, on March 22, 2015, Leicester city had 9 games left and were seven points behind the first “safe from relegation” spot. They had won 2 of their previous 24 games and had lost 17. On February 21, 2022, Stoke City had 15 games left and were 6 points behind the last playoff spot. They had won more games than they’d lost for only the fifth time in the past 20 years. They had been relegation certainties just 26 months earlier. Anyone who says we’re going nowhere, the playoffs are impossible to reach this season, MON should be run off, etc, has absolutely no sense of perspective in my opinion. Utterly deluded post See response immediately above this post.
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 21, 2022 20:58:40 GMT
In other words, you do not think that anyone can make up 6 points in 15 games, or to put it more accurately, you think it's impossible to get 31/32 points from 15 games, but instead of trying to engage in logical debate, you simply resort to insults. I can see you going far in life with that approach. Err not under O’Neill no!!!!
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2022 21:02:33 GMT
Thought I'd try a different approach ...
Of course, it's all ifs and buts, as is any discussion of the future. However ... If we win our game in hand over PNE and WBA, we are above them and simply have to match their results to stay above them. If we beat Luton and Coventry, we will be above Coventry and need to pick up only 1 point over Luton. If we beat Middlesborough we only have to catch up 2 points on them over 14 games. If we beat Sheffield, it's 3 points on them and the same on Forest. Several of these teams are playing each other and will drop points. Simple math shows we have to produce auto promotion form to get into the playoffs, but then again, just about every team that has ever been promoted has shown spells of auto-promotion form in order to get there.
And even if we don't get there, we are in an excellent position to mount a credible challenge for next year. But hey ho, let's fire MON on a few people's say so!
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2022 21:13:03 GMT
In other words, you do not think that anyone can make up 6 points in 15 games, or to put it more accurately, you think it's impossible to get 31/32 points from 15 games, but instead of trying to engage in logical debate, you simply resort to insults. I can see you going far in life with that approach. Err not under O’Neill no!!!! Ok, opinions and all. I prefer to hope that he can do it.
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 22, 2022 20:42:36 GMT
You can’t look forward to our “potential” form and dream of play offs. We still (mostly) have the same players that have created our Below average form in the previous 30 games. We are therefore, more likely to continue that form for the rest of the season. I would love to see us rip up the form book and make a late storm into the top 6 but it is very unlikely. Not because 6 points is a massive gap to overcome but because most of the teams we are playing have points to fight for and our record suggests we aren’t capable of that sustained 6 or 7 out of 9 points every 3 games. We haven’t done that for many years. Fail to win Tomorrow and the dream is dead anyway.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 22, 2022 21:43:24 GMT
You can’t look forward to our “potential” form and dream of play offs. We still (mostly) have the same players that have created our Below average form in the previous 30 games. We are therefore, more likely to continue that form for the rest of the season. I would love to see us rip up the form book and make a late storm into the top 6 but it is very unlikely. Not because 6 points is a massive gap to overcome but because most of the teams we are playing have points to fight for and our record suggests we aren’t capable of that sustained 6 or 7 out of 9 points every 3 games. We haven’t done that for many years. Fail to win Tomorrow and the dream is dead anyway. Except we don't. We have added Jags, THB, Baker, JPB and Maja. DwP has come into the team. Powell and Sawyers will be back soon and Campbell finally looks something like himself. So no we look nothing like the team for the first 30 games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2022 21:55:43 GMT
Must win game tomorrow. Just hope he goes for it. If we don't win then I think it's curtains.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 22, 2022 22:00:53 GMT
Must win game tomorrow. Just hope he goes for it. If we don't win then I think it's curtains. Somehow, it’s still on. We’d need a win on Saturday as well wouldn’t we, just to keep up?
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Post by spoton on Feb 22, 2022 22:06:25 GMT
Must win game tomorrow. Just hope he goes for it. If we don't win then I think it's curtains. You more optimistic than me, they will end up 9th or 10th probably enough to keep his job until 10 matches into the new season
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 22, 2022 22:09:40 GMT
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