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Post by lordb on Feb 12, 2022 21:47:42 GMT
Firmly believe he will be here next year on less money and a three year deal Not at his age He'll get a two year deal somewhere
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 12, 2022 21:53:21 GMT
He should have scored as well. Open goal, headed over from 3 yards out What?…..awful comment Did he not head over an open goal from 3 yards out?
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2022 22:03:48 GMT
He's a player who costs us double figure points every season. We lost 2 points today because Joe Allen did what typical Joe Allen does. Those 2 points lost today could be the difference in getting into the play offs Thats your opinion which I don’t share and obviously most managers don’t either Most managers do though, that's why we're stuck with him.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 13, 2022 9:52:41 GMT
I like Allen and he's a good pro, but he really needs to move on at the end of the season. We all know that we will offer him a new contract 😏 I think MON will continue the change process and let him go and appoint a new young club captain. Shawcross served us well in that role, maybe Souttar?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2022 9:54:08 GMT
Firmly believe he will be here next year on less money and a three year deal Not at his age He'll get a two year deal somewhere That’s why he’ll be here 😉
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Post by pmjh on Feb 13, 2022 10:18:15 GMT
Thats your opinion which I don’t share and obviously most managers don’t either Most managers do though, that's why we're stuck with him. I think that's more to do with his wages.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 13, 2022 10:37:24 GMT
I like Allen and he's a good pro, but he really needs to move on at the end of the season. We all know that we will offer him a new contract 😏 I think MON will continue the change process and let him go and appoint a new young club captain. Shawcross served us well in that role, maybe Souttar? Baker will be the next captain
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 13, 2022 10:57:37 GMT
Many fans don't see the positives Joe brings to the side. He's damned good at breaking up play and he reads the game well. However, he's as thick as two short planks. The number of times he's made that very same tackle to give the opposition a free kick in a dangerous area is becoming a joke. You'd think he'd learn from it but he hasn't. As a matter of fact both their goals came about as a result of the same repeated errors we've seen throughout the season. How many goals have we conceded because Wilmot has been too far forward and the opposition have played a simple ball into the space he should be occupying? And it's happened when we've played him in a 3 or a four at the back. So, we have two decent players who add to the team but they're not learning from their errors. MON needs to lay down the law to both of them.
OS.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 13, 2022 11:03:42 GMT
Allen has never been a problem for us.
He may not have been the solution, but I’m not sure Ferguson, Busby and Einstein combined could have solved our problems, so it’s a bit harsh to blame Joe.
Stick a decent player alongside him (Baker) and now he starts to look a player. It’s not exactly rocket science.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2022 11:05:05 GMT
Allen has never been a problem for us. He may not have been the solution, but I’m not sure Ferguson, Busby and Einstein combined could have solved our problems, so it’s a bit harsh to blame Joe. Stick a decent player alongside him (Baker) and now he starts to look a player. It’s not exactly rocket science. He cost 15m and is on 50k a week. Really poor excuses for him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 13, 2022 11:07:23 GMT
Did he not head over an open goal from 3 yards out? 6 yards. And I wouldn’t say it was quite as easy as you make out.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 13, 2022 11:09:41 GMT
Allen has never been a problem for us. He may not have been the solution, but I’m not sure Ferguson, Busby and Einstein combined could have solved our problems, so it’s a bit harsh to blame Joe. Stick a decent player alongside him (Baker) and now he starts to look a player. It’s not exactly rocket science. He cost 15m and is on 50k a week. Really poor excuses for him. We’ve wasted more and got less from many other players. Vokes. Imbula. Etebo. Wimmer. If we’re talking money, Joe might not justify the astronomical figures but at least he’s tried.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2022 11:12:49 GMT
He cost 15m and is on 50k a week. Really poor excuses for him. We’ve wasted more and got less from many other players. Vokes. Imbula. Etebo. Wimmer. If we’re talking money, Joe might not justify the astronomical figures but at least he’s tried. Again really poor excuses.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 13, 2022 11:17:28 GMT
We’ve wasted more and got less from many other players. Vokes. Imbula. Etebo. Wimmer. If we’re talking money, Joe might not justify the astronomical figures but at least he’s tried. Again really poor excuses. It will be interesting to see how he does over the remainder of the season if Baker stays fit and the two develop a partnership. If Baker continues to deliver performances like he has I think we might see an uptick in Joe’s performance level too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2022 11:19:19 GMT
Again really poor excuses. It will be interesting to see how he does over the remainder of the season if Baker stays fit and the two develop a partnership. If Baker continues to deliver performances like he has I think we might see an uptick in Joe’s performance level too. We can only hope. I can take him being shit tbh. But it’s the braindeaded shit from such an experienced player that makes me want to strangle him (metaphorically). He plays like a naive rookie.
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Feb 13, 2022 11:32:17 GMT
He’s looked better with Baker. But he’s still the weak link in midfield.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 13, 2022 11:39:40 GMT
It will be interesting to see how he does over the remainder of the season if Baker stays fit and the two develop a partnership. If Baker continues to deliver performances like he has I think we might see an uptick in Joe’s performance level too. We can only hope. I can take him being shit tbh. But it’s the braindeaded shit from such an experienced player that makes me want to strangle him (metaphorically). He plays like a naive rookie.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 13, 2022 11:45:02 GMT
Did he not head over an open goal from 3 yards out? Yes, but he is the shortest player on the pitch.
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Post by comeonstokeee on Feb 13, 2022 12:17:22 GMT
I wouldn't give him a new deal in the summer. I'd go and try to sign Ben Pearson at Bournemouth can't seem to get a game for them. He'd be perfect for us proper shithouse and puts himself about
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2022 12:21:33 GMT
He cost 15m and is on 50k a week. Really poor excuses for him. We’ve wasted more and got less from many other players. Vokes. Imbula. Etebo. Wimmer. If we’re talking money, Joe might not justify the astronomical figures but at least he’s tried. Vokes and Etebo combined cost less than Allen Iiks Allen but you have to say from a £ point of view he's not been good value That bit isn't his fault of course Right now Allen, Baker and Powell is our best midfield
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:21:38 GMT
Many fans don't see the positives Joe brings to the side. He's damned good at breaking up play and he reads the game well. However, he's as thick as two short planks. The number of times he's made that very same tackle to give the opposition a free kick in a dangerous area is becoming a joke. You'd think he'd learn from it but he hasn't. As a matter of fact both their goals came about as a result of the same repeated errors we've seen throughout the season. How many goals have we conceded because Wilmot has been too far forward and the opposition have played a simple ball into the space he should be occupying? And it's happened when we've played him in a 3 or a four at the back. So, we have two decent players who add to the team but they're not learning from their errors. MON needs to lay down the law to both of them. OS. Absolute rubbish as far as Wilmot as a RB is concerned. You need your full backs to play a big role in your offensive play and help create overloads. You'd obviously prefer a defense consisting of 3 or 4 Danny Batth's who contribute nothing to your attacking game. Defenders generally have a bigger role in the modern game being a stopper is just not enough. They're dissapearing at a rate of knots and so are coaches who think that way.
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2022 12:22:26 GMT
I wouldn't give him a new deal in the summer. I'd go and try to sign Ben Pearson at Bournemouth can't seem to get a game for them. He'd be perfect for us proper shithouse and puts himself about But too much at times, how many red cards!? However otherwise yes he's good, good passer too.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:31:48 GMT
We’ve wasted more and got less from many other players. Vokes. Imbula. Etebo. Wimmer. If we’re talking money, Joe might not justify the astronomical figures but at least he’s tried. Vokes and Etebo combined cost less than Allen Iiks Allen but you have to say from a £ point of view he's not been good value That bit isn't his fault of course Right now Allen, Baker and Powell is our best midfield Really don't think it's much better than Thompson Baker Powell for a fraction of the cost. Easily enough to pay another 2 or 3 of the type of players we're targeting.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:33:05 GMT
I wouldn't give him a new deal in the summer. I'd go and try to sign Ben Pearson at Bournemouth can't seem to get a game for them. He'd be perfect for us proper shithouse and puts himself about But too much at times, how many red cards!? However otherwise yes he's good, good passer too. Doubt he fits our profile for a permanent signing due to age & wage.
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2022 12:33:53 GMT
Vokes and Etebo combined cost less than Allen Iiks Allen but you have to say from a £ point of view he's not been good value That bit isn't his fault of course Right now Allen, Baker and Powell is our best midfield Really don't think it's much better than Thompson Baker Powell for a fraction of the cost. Easily enough to pay another 2 or 3 of the type of players we're targeting. Wages wise no argument We still have pay him so is he better than Thompson or Clucas behind Baker and Powell? I'd say yes definitely
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2022 12:35:02 GMT
But too much at times, how many red cards!? However otherwise yes he's good, good passer too. Doubt he fits our profile for a permanent signing due to age & wage. 27, perfect age isn't he?
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Post by kustokie on Feb 13, 2022 12:35:10 GMT
Many fans don't see the positives Joe brings to the side. He's damned good at breaking up play and he reads the game well. However, he's as thick as two short planks. The number of times he's made that very same tackle to give the opposition a free kick in a dangerous area is becoming a joke. You'd think he'd learn from it but he hasn't. As a matter of fact both their goals came about as a result of the same repeated errors we've seen throughout the season. How many goals have we conceded because Wilmot has been too far forward and the opposition have played a simple ball into the space he should be occupying? And it's happened when we've played him in a 3 or a four at the back. So, we have two decent players who add to the team but they're not learning from their errors. MON needs to lay down the law to both of them. OS. That’s like asking “apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play”. The few good things he contributes no way make up for his mistakes, especially his poor tackling and his passing, which is horrendous.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:35:53 GMT
Really don't think it's much better than Thompson Baker Powell for a fraction of the cost. Easily enough to pay another 2 or 3 of the type of players we're targeting. Wages wise no argument We still have pay him so is he better than Thompson or Clucas behind Baker and Powell? I'd say yes definitely It wasn't meant as an argument about playing him rather an argument about offering him a contract renewal.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:37:44 GMT
Doubt he fits our profile for a permanent signing due to age & wage. 27, perfect age isn't he? That's older than we seem to be looking at because at 27 they're either rubbish or want more money than we're willing to pay them. I hope we continue with that policy.
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Post by chrispk on Feb 13, 2022 12:55:22 GMT
Thought Joe had a great game stopping there midfield. Yes he gave the free-kick away but if he didn’t do anything that close to the area and they score everyone would complain about that. I would also blame the small defensive wall so it makes it easier to hit the target , the keepers hand not strong enough , they win the header after the crossbar, after that a second header for their goal scorer who has a free header a few feet from the line with 2 defenders watching after leaving a big space between them and the scorer. Gutted we didn’t test their player in goal after the penalty. Overall I loved the match and atmosphere all through the game with nobody sitting down as they were busy chanting and enjoying our performance against a team that ripped Leicester apart recently.
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