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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 10:09:48 GMT
Not this again! 🤦♂️🤦♂️ It's like the "There is no one else out there" brigade when discussing the manager's position. Presumably you noticed how important Allen is when he came off the bench for half an hour at Coventry on Tuesday night? Or was it his performances against Derby and Preston that made you notice how important he is? We lost all 3 games miserably and he was tragic. Funny how you don’t mention winning at hull or Fulham where admittedly we lost against the best team in the league but played really well. But again, that wouldn’t suit your agenda would it ? We lost at home to Fulham and conceded 3 goals!! And he was poor AGAIN 😂 Are we now at such a low point where you're outright using examples of home defeats to justify a player being good? This pro Allen argument is obscene 😂 We beat Hull, big fucking deal.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 29, 2022 10:10:02 GMT
Allen was fine last night. Don’t think he changed the game but he was good and galvanised us in midfield. He doesn’t perform like that every week though and it’s disingenuous to act like he does. Similarly disingenuous to suggest he’s one of our most consistently poor performers. The truth is he’s poor some of the time, average most of the time, and very good on some occasions.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 10:13:58 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract? Allen and Clucas have to go. The only guy from the old guard I'd keep is Tymon. Not great but not totally useless either.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 10:16:56 GMT
Allen was fine last night. Don’t think he changed the game but he was good and galvanised us in midfield. He doesn’t perform like that every week though and it’s disingenuous to act like he does. Similarly disingenuous to suggest he’s one of our most consistently poor performers. The truth is he’s poor some of the time, average most of the time, and very good on some occasions. Given his wage and profile I don’t think it’s disingenuous to say he’s not lived up to his billing and not really done the job we needed doing in midfield for much of his time here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 10:18:55 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract? Yes, at the new financial level. If he didn't accept it, shake his hand and move on. I’m surprised by that Looky. I don’t see much value at all in keeping him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 10:21:46 GMT
Yes, at the new financial level. If he didn't accept it, shake his hand and move on. I’m surprised by that Looky. I don’t see much value at all in keeping him. I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 10:24:13 GMT
I’m surprised by that Looky. I don’t see much value at all in keeping him. I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments I’m not sure I hold that much stock in what he says publicly to be honest mate. Proof will be in the pudding.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 10:25:18 GMT
I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments I’m not sure I hold that much stock in what he says publicly to be honest mate. Proof will be in the pudding. We’ll see mate
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 29, 2022 10:28:29 GMT
Yes, at the new financial level. If he didn't accept it, shake his hand and move on. I’m surprised by that Looky. I don’t see much value at all in keeping him. The way I see it is MON always signs an ageing player with experience each season. If we could keep Allen and get him in budget, it frees up the rest of the budget and the manager has his comfort blanket. We could happily get rid of Fletcher and Chester and keep Allen and Jagielka. I'm hoping for a destroyer in there but I've got more chance of someone knocking on my door and handing me some keys to a Ferrari.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 29, 2022 10:31:02 GMT
For all those who criticise him, Joe Allan changed the game. He stemmed the tide in midfield. We got control in midfield which allowed us to play. Then once Powell came on, we started to look like we could win it. I’ll stand up for MON and say he changed the game, something I and others have been critical of. Fair play to MON he got this right following a poor (and unlucky) first half
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 29, 2022 10:38:31 GMT
Similarly disingenuous to suggest he’s one of our most consistently poor performers. The truth is he’s poor some of the time, average most of the time, and very good on some occasions. Given his wage and profile I don’t think it’s disingenuous to say he’s not lived up to his billing and not really done the job we needed doing in midfield for much of his time here. That’s fair enough. But I’m not talking about balanced statements like that. As you know. I’m referring to the flat out hatred and animosity to him from some posters.
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Post by pmjh on Jan 29, 2022 10:41:18 GMT
Allen played well last night. Thompson was poor. Baker hardly touched the ball first half, but improved second.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 11:20:29 GMT
I’m surprised by that Looky. I don’t see much value at all in keeping him. I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments To be fair the manager seems to be getting most things wrong at the moment doesn't he?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 11:22:21 GMT
I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments To be fair the manager seems to be getting most things wrong at the moment doesn't he? Really?I thought his substitutions 2nd half changed the game🤔
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 11:23:08 GMT
Can't work out Baker at the moment. Largely anonymous for 4 out of 6 halves he's played thus far but clearly showed some real class in the second half against Fulham and got into the game a bit second half last night. Needs to do more but feel like there is something there. Probably the story of his career!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 11:28:22 GMT
I don’t think the manager agrees with that mate judging by his post match comments To be fair the manager seems to be getting most things wrong at the moment doesn't he? Like what ?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 11:30:14 GMT
To be fair the manager seems to be getting most things wrong at the moment doesn't he? Really?I thought his substitutions 2nd half changed the game🤔 Yes really. We've won one in 7 and are currently languishing mid table despite having one of the strongest sides in the league. The manager has made some abysmal tactical decisions this season. Let's not pretend bringing Powell (one of the best attacking players in the division) off the bench and him single handedly shifting the momentum of the game is some kind of revolutionary masterstroke. It could equally be argued the manager got it wrong with the starting xi and Powell should have started?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 11:32:16 GMT
To be fair the manager seems to be getting most things wrong at the moment doesn't he? Like what ? Are some fans actually watching us this season? I feel some must be watching a completely different team 😂 We will probably finish the week in the bottom half of the league with one of the strongest squads in the league having won 1 in 7. What am I missing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 11:56:19 GMT
Roughly translated as.... I'm one of those mentalists who believe that Joe Allen is the route of all evil and is one of the main reasons why we are where we are as a football club. And you have the audacity to say... "It's utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds" And your post translates as "I'm one of those mentalists who ignore history, stats and reality and will just keep shouting 'Allen is great!". Wake up and show some ambition. I've never said Allen is great. I'd have no issue whatsoever with us moving him on this summer. I just defend him from the absolute bollocks that gets spoken on here about a midfielder (not without limitations) who has only ever given us 100% in a period where he has been surrounded by absolute shithouses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 12:01:18 GMT
Are some fans actually watching us this season? I feel some must be watching a completely different team 😂 We will probably finish the week in the bottom half of the league with one of the strongest squads in the league having won 1 in 7. What am I missing? Do you really believe we have one of the strongest squads in the division? Football isn't played on paper you know.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 29, 2022 12:02:36 GMT
Charming, but expected from one who struggles to even stretch the truth and clamours for the minutest good point of Joe's game. Tonight he did nothing more and nothing less than what is expected of a highly experienced midfielder, a performance warranting a rating of 7, which is good for Joe. However, as history tells us he'll be back to 5's before you can blink. You hope Nah....just reality having watched him for 5/6 seasons. He wasn't even the best sub last night, he did his job but Powell was the game changer, Brown snatched the point.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 12:16:53 GMT
Really?I thought his substitutions 2nd half changed the game🤔 Yes really. We've won one in 7 and are currently languishing mid table despite having one of the strongest sides in the league. The manager has made some abysmal tactical decisions this season. Let's not pretend bringing Powell (one of the best attacking players in the division) off the bench and him single handedly shifting the momentum of the game is some kind of revolutionary masterstroke. It could equally be argued the manager got it wrong with the starting xi and Powell should have started? You talk utter nonsense,Powell is coming back from a bad injury and needs introducing back gradually like what is happening at the minute.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 29, 2022 12:43:07 GMT
It is. That there’s still people who haven’t got a clue what a functioning midfielder looks like. To be fair I think most of us could be forgiven for that
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 13:13:03 GMT
Are some fans actually watching us this season? I feel some must be watching a completely different team 😂 We will probably finish the week in the bottom half of the league with one of the strongest squads in the league having won 1 in 7. What am I missing? Do you really believe we have one of the strongest squads in the division? Football isn't played on paper you know. I think we do yeah. Midfield is dire but the rest of the squad is better than most. Yes, you're quite right mate, football isn't played on paper which is why we need a new manager 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 13:15:46 GMT
Yes really. We've won one in 7 and are currently languishing mid table despite having one of the strongest sides in the league. The manager has made some abysmal tactical decisions this season. Let's not pretend bringing Powell (one of the best attacking players in the division) off the bench and him single handedly shifting the momentum of the game is some kind of revolutionary masterstroke. It could equally be argued the manager got it wrong with the starting xi and Powell should have started? You talk utter nonsense,Powell is coming back from a bad injury and needs introducing back gradually like what is happening at the minute. Nonsense? That is pretty rich coming from someone who seems to think the manager is doing well and Allen is a good player for us. Let's just completely ignore reality and keep shouting "we're awesome!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 13:16:56 GMT
Do you really believe we have one of the strongest squads in the division? Football isn't played on paper you know. I think we do yeah. Midfield is dire but the rest of the squad is better than most. Yes, you're quite right mate, football isn't played on paper which is why we need a new manager 😉 Take out the loan players and our squad still needs some serious work. At full strength we are a match for anyone I don't dispute that, and I've also stated on other threads that I believed and think we should have had had a serious tilt at the play offs this season. If we don't make the play-offs, which it looks like we won't now, I still don't think it's time to get rid of O'Neil.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 13:19:39 GMT
I think we do yeah. Midfield is dire but the rest of the squad is better than most. Yes, you're quite right mate, football isn't played on paper which is why we need a new manager 😉 Take out the loan players and our squad still needs some serious work. At full strength we are a match for anyone I don't dispute that, and I've also stated on other threads that I believed and think we should have had had a serious tilt at the play offs this season. If we don't make the play-offs, which it looks like we won't now, I still don't think it's time to get rid of O'Neil. Wayne Rooney is calling 😉 Throw a million a year at him plus bonuses and get him in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 13:21:50 GMT
Take out the loan players and our squad still needs some serious work. At full strength we are a match for anyone I don't dispute that, and I've also stated on other threads that I believed and think we should have had had a serious tilt at the play offs this season. If we don't make the play-offs, which it looks like we won't now, I still don't think it's time to get rid of O'Neil. Wayne Rooney is calling 😉 Throw a million a year at him plus bonuses and get him in. We will see how astute a manager Wayne is when he gets his next gig. My guess is he will flop quicker than his dick after he has shot his man fat into one of his Granny whores ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 13:26:19 GMT
Take out the loan players and our squad still needs some serious work. At full strength we are a match for anyone I don't dispute that, and I've also stated on other threads that I believed and think we should have had had a serious tilt at the play offs this season. If we don't make the play-offs, which it looks like we won't now, I still don't think it's time to get rid of O'Neil. Wayne Rooney is calling 😉 Throw a million a year at him plus bonuses and get him in. Is that the Wayne Rooney that refused an interview at Everton this week🤔but he’d come to Stoke🤣🤣
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Post by jeycov on Jan 29, 2022 13:29:52 GMT
Can't work out Baker at the moment. Largely anonymous for 4 out of 6 halves he's played thus far but clearly showed some real class in the second half against Fulham and got into the game a bit second half last night. Needs to do more but feel like there is something there. Probably the story of his career! Probably would benefit without the additional responsibilities of being the captain
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