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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 23:53:16 GMT
Doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I’ve had to watch Joe Allen about 125-150 times and it’s been absolutely fucking terrible. x 1000 is how many posts the rest of us have had to endure from you.How do you think we feel? I refer you to point 1 of the quoted post 😂😂😂
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 28, 2022 23:55:41 GMT
I know must of been so painful to watch us win at hull. He was like 6/10. Well done Joe 😂 You would say that though, you clearly don’t like him
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jan 28, 2022 23:57:44 GMT
x 1000 is how many posts the rest of us have had to endure from you.How do you think we feel? I refer you to point 1 of the quoted post 😂😂😂 Oh I know how you feel,I was asking you to spare a thought for the rest of us
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 23:59:41 GMT
I refer you to point 1 of the quoted post 😂😂😂 Oh I know how you feel,I was asking you to spare a thought for the rest of us And I was telling you to refer to point of the quoted post 😂😂😂
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 0:08:49 GMT
Hard to believe after 4 years of abject failure where the midfield has been central to everything wrong about our performances, yet some fans have convinced themselves the answer is a central midfielder; the guy who has played in more games than any other player in the squad having played in the vast majority of games during the past 4 years which has seen us collapse from a top 10 Premier league side, to a bottom 12 Championship side. Its utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds. But of course, they are entitled to their view
Allen has been largely absolutely dreadful for this football club with the exception of his first season with us. He seems a great guy with an awesome work ethic - but he's been totally shit.
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Post by proudstokie on Jan 29, 2022 0:23:20 GMT
Joe Allen has been associated with the consistent under performance of Stoke City! I don’t doubt he’s a good professional and decent football player although he does have a tendency for a “touch and tackle”. Whilst I don’t hold Joe Allen personally responsible I think it’s best for him and Stoke that we part ways, it just hasn’t worked out. Today’s improvement had nothing to do with Allen. The introduction of Powell along with a ball playing, combative midfielder in Baker made all the difference, nurture that and we’ll go far!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 0:27:30 GMT
Hard to believe after 4 years of abject failure where the midfield has been central to everything wrong about our performances, yet some fans have convinced themselves the answer is a central midfielder; the guy who has played in more games than any other player in the squad having played in the vast majority of games during the past 4 years which has seen us collapse from a top 10 Premier league side, to a bottom 12 Championship side. Its utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds. But of course, they are entitled to their view Allen has been largely absolutely dreadful for this football club with the exception of his first season with us. He seems a great guy with an awesome work ethic - but he's been totally shit. Stockholm syndrome but for football.
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Post by onionman on Jan 29, 2022 0:38:04 GMT
Hard to believe after 4 years of abject failure where the midfield has been central to everything wrong about our performances, yet some fans have convinced themselves the answer is a central midfielder; the guy who has played in more games than any other player in the squad having played in the vast majority of games during the past 4 years which has seen us collapse from a top 10 Premier league side, to a bottom 12 Championship side. Its utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds. But of course, they are entitled to their view Allen has been largely absolutely dreadful for this football club with the exception of his first season with us. He seems a great guy with an awesome work ethic - but he's been totally shit. Stockholm syndrome but for football. Stokeholm Syndrome
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 29, 2022 0:58:51 GMT
So he was slightly better than a rusty Thompson yet he gets his own thread. Amazing, no wonder opinion is massively split. Next time I’ll get your permission before I create a thread. Noted Well it's fucking pathetic how you single him out when quite a few things have changed RECENTLY. New recruits have made us better Players returning from injury have made us better. A change in set up has made us better. And just a thought, maybe his guaranteed starting place being threatened has given him a kick up the arse to make him focus. Don't worry I have every confidence that Mr Joe will revert to his true shit form very shortly. The day he leaves is the day I will start believing again.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 1:04:22 GMT
Next time I’ll get your permission before I create a thread. Noted Well it's fucking pathetic how you single him out when quite a few things have changed RECENTLY. New recruits have made us better Players returning from injury have made us better. A change in set up has made us better. And just a thought, maybe his guaranteed starting place being threatened has given him a kick up the arse to make him focus. Don't worry I have every confidence that Mr Joe will revert to his true shit form very shortly. The day he leaves is the day I will start believing again. The only change from the Fulham game (when we played well) and Coventry (when we didn’t) is that he dropped Allen. How does that suit your agenda? You WANT him to return to shit form so that it suits your agenda. He played well tonight but you can’t even admit that can you ? Wanker.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 29, 2022 1:32:06 GMT
Well it's fucking pathetic how you single him out when quite a few things have changed RECENTLY. New recruits have made us better Players returning from injury have made us better. A change in set up has made us better. And just a thought, maybe his guaranteed starting place being threatened has given him a kick up the arse to make him focus. Don't worry I have every confidence that Mr Joe will revert to his true shit form very shortly. The day he leaves is the day I will start believing again. The only change from the Fulham game (when we played well) and Coventry (when we didn’t) is that he dropped Allen. How does that suit your agenda? You WANT him to return to shit form so that it suits your agenda. He played well tonight but you can’t even admit that can you ? Wanker. Charming, but expected from one who struggles to even stretch the truth and clamours for the minutest good point of Joe's game. Tonight he did nothing more and nothing less than what is expected of a highly experienced midfielder, a performance warranting a rating of 7, which is good for Joe. However, as history tells us he'll be back to 5's before you can blink.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 1:39:22 GMT
Hard to believe after 4 years of abject failure where the midfield has been central to everything wrong about our performances, yet some fans have convinced themselves the answer is a central midfielder; the guy who has played in more games than any other player in the squad having played in the vast majority of games during the past 4 years which has seen us collapse from a top 10 Premier league side, to a bottom 12 Championship side. Its utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds. But of course, they are entitled to their view Allen has been largely absolutely dreadful for this football club with the exception of his first season with us. He seems a great guy with an awesome work ethic - but he's been totally shit. Roughly translated as.... I'm one of those mentalists who believe that Joe Allen is the route of all evil and is one of the main reasons why we are where we are as a football club. And you have the audacity to say... "It's utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds"
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 29, 2022 9:02:05 GMT
Well it's fucking pathetic how you single him out when quite a few things have changed RECENTLY. New recruits have made us better Players returning from injury have made us better. A change in set up has made us better. And just a thought, maybe his guaranteed starting place being threatened has given him a kick up the arse to make him focus. Don't worry I have every confidence that Mr Joe will revert to his true shit form very shortly. The day he leaves is the day I will start believing again. The only change from the Fulham game (when we played well) and Coventry (when we didn’t) is that he dropped Allen. How does that suit your agenda? You WANT him to return to shit form so that it suits your agenda. He played well tonight but you can’t even admit that can you ? Wanker. I'm not sure the Coventry game supports your argument, we went a goal down shortly after Allen stepped onto the pitch.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
The only change from the Fulham game (when we played well) and Coventry (when we didn’t) is that he dropped Allen. How does that suit your agenda? You WANT him to return to shit form so that it suits your agenda. He played well tonight but you can’t even admit that can you ? Wanker. Charming, but expected from one who struggles to even stretch the truth and clamours for the minutest good point of Joe's game. Tonight he did nothing more and nothing less than what is expected of a highly experienced midfielder, a performance warranting a rating of 7, which is good for Joe. However, as history tells us he'll be back to 5's before you can blink. You hope
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 9:20:50 GMT
The only change from the Fulham game (when we played well) and Coventry (when we didn’t) is that he dropped Allen. How does that suit your agenda? You WANT him to return to shit form so that it suits your agenda. He played well tonight but you can’t even admit that can you ? Wanker. I'm not sure the Coventry game supports your argument, we went a goal down shortly after Allen stepped onto the pitch. So because Allen was on the pitch for a whole 8 minutes before the goal it’s all his fault? When in truth we was rubbish for the whole 90 minutes.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 29, 2022 9:22:17 GMT
I'm not sure the Coventry game supports your argument, we went a goal down shortly after Allen stepped onto the pitch. So because Allen was on the pitch for a whole 8 minutes before the goal it’s all his fault? When in truth we rubbish for the whole 90 minutes. We've been rubbish for much of the season when Joe has been an ever present.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 29, 2022 9:23:28 GMT
So because Allen was on the pitch for a whole 8 minutes before the goal it’s all his fault? When in truth we rubbish for the whole 90 minutes. We've been rubbish for much of the season when Joe has been an ever present. Did you listen to O’Neill’s comments about him after the game?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 9:24:06 GMT
Hard to believe after 4 years of abject failure where the midfield has been central to everything wrong about our performances, yet some fans have convinced themselves the answer is a central midfielder; the guy who has played in more games than any other player in the squad having played in the vast majority of games during the past 4 years which has seen us collapse from a top 10 Premier league side, to a bottom 12 Championship side. Its utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds. But of course, they are entitled to their view Allen has been largely absolutely dreadful for this football club with the exception of his first season with us. He seems a great guy with an awesome work ethic - but he's been totally shit. Roughly translated as.... I'm one of those mentalists who believe that Joe Allen is the route of all evil and is one of the main reasons why we are where we are as a football club. And you have the audacity to say... "It's utterly mystifying what goes through some supporters minds" And your post translates as "I'm one of those mentalists who ignore history, stats and reality and will just keep shouting 'Allen is great!". Wake up and show some ambition.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 9:24:54 GMT
So because Allen was on the pitch for a whole 8 minutes before the goal it’s all his fault? When in truth we rubbish for the whole 90 minutes. We've been rubbish for much of the season when Joe has been an ever present. Must be all his fault then, if he hadn’t of been at the club we’d of been top of the league
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 9:25:22 GMT
Allen was fine last night. Don’t think he changed the game but he was good and galvanised us in midfield.
He doesn’t perform like that every week though and it’s disingenuous to act like he does.
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Post by fraybentos on Jan 29, 2022 9:25:24 GMT
See the performances against hull, Fulham and the second half tonight with Allen in the midfield vs the first half tonight and the game against cov without him You only realise how important Joe is in the team when he’s not playing
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 9:30:24 GMT
You know times are desperate when minority sections of supporters are trying to use a 1-1 draw at Hudddesfield as some kind of justification for a player being good, completely ignoring the previous 194x appearances he's made for the club. I know we're an average mid table championship side these days but we deserve better than accepting failure and rewriting history.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 29, 2022 9:33:25 GMT
You know times are desperate when minority sections of supporters are trying to use a 1-1 draw at Hudddesfield as some kind of justification for a player being good, completely ignoring the previous 194x appearances he's made for the club. I know we're an average mid table championship side these days but we deserve better than accepting failure and rewriting history. This. I’ll try and be as objective as I can (most of the time). He did well when he came on yesterday, got stuck in, broke up the play well. But he’s been objectively garbage for nearly all his Stoke career.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 29, 2022 9:42:46 GMT
See the performances against hull, Fulham and the second half tonight with Allen in the midfield vs the first half tonight and the game against cov without him My problem with Allen is that we can bring in 3 quality players for the same money as he is earning. In our position that's not wise at all! If he signs for another year or two he will probably not be offered more than £12-15K, which is more the right level. I also think Allen will benefit from playing alongside Baker and hopefully Powell.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 29, 2022 9:47:21 GMT
See the performances against hull, Fulham and the second half tonight with Allen in the midfield vs the first half tonight and the game against cov without him You only realise how important Joe is in the team when he’s not playing Not this again! 🤦♂️🤦♂️ It's like the "There is no one else out there" brigade when discussing the manager's position. Presumably you noticed how important Allen is when he came off the bench for half an hour at Coventry on Tuesday night? Or was it his performances against Derby and Preston that made you notice how important he is? We lost all 3 games miserably and he was tragic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 10:01:35 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 10:03:57 GMT
You only realise how important Joe is in the team when he’s not playing Not this again! 🤦♂️🤦♂️ It's like the "There is no one else out there" brigade when discussing the manager's position. Presumably you noticed how important Allen is when he came off the bench for half an hour at Coventry on Tuesday night? Or was it his performances against Derby and Preston that made you notice how important he is? We lost all 3 games miserably and he was tragic. Funny how you don’t mention winning at hull or Fulham where admittedly we lost against the best team in the league but played really well. But again, that wouldn’t suit your agenda would it ?
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 29, 2022 10:04:09 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract? Yes, at the new financial level. If he didn't accept it, shake his hand and move on.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 29, 2022 10:04:33 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract? No, and I like Allen. We need to get rid of everyone with the stench of relegation, the Rowett and Jones era on them and move forward.....
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 29, 2022 10:05:53 GMT
Would anyone offer Allen a new contract? No, think it’s time we move on but he’s not been a bad player for us all in all
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