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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 22:28:15 GMT
Yeah you're spot on. That's why he's played all his professional career in the 1st and 2nd division of English football. no mean feat, i saw his first ever goal on a news feed yesterday for liverpool against oldham. never been shy, never been poor diciplin, and signed with a reputation that was far bigger than the man, but how many absolute fucking arseholes has he stayed the test of time? in a list of 100 problems with SCFC i genuinly think he wouldnt even make the list/ I wouldn't be averse to him leaving at the end of this season if it was deemed necessary to aid our recovery from the mess of ffp. I've only ever defended him on here against the absolute bullshit that has been spouted about him, not because I think he's a brilliant midfielder, but because the majority of the stuff spouted about him is absolute fucking bollocks. The shit about him being the main reason for our decline, and him being a curse is the stuff of mentalists. You can not rate a footballer without talking absolute bollocks and making yourself look like a massive dick at the same time.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2022 22:30:36 GMT
no mean feat, i saw his first ever goal on a news feed yesterday for liverpool against oldham. never been shy, never been poor diciplin, and signed with a reputation that was far bigger than the man, but how many absolute fucking arseholes has he stayed the test of time? in a list of 100 problems with SCFC i genuinly think he wouldnt even make the list/ I wouldn't be averse to him leaving at the end of this season if it was deemed necessary to aid our recovery from the mess of ffp. I've only ever defended him on here against the absolute bullshit that has been spouted about him, not because I think he's a brilliant midfielder, but because the majority of the stuff spouted about him is absolute fucking bollocks. The shit about him being the main reason for our decline, and him being a curse is the stuff of mentalists. You can not rate a footballer without talking absolute bollocks and making yourself look like a massive dick at the same time. So many posters have backed themselves into a corner with Allen and so much so that even when he had a decent game they find it hard to say so
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:32:20 GMT
I can’t agree. We didn’t have a midfield against Fulham. We had a two man one second half. Allen and Baker. Clucas was anonymous all game and our whole midfield were completely outclassed in the first half, not just Allen. I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 28, 2022 22:33:22 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves, Powell changed the game.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 28, 2022 22:33:24 GMT
We did tonight but I thought he was as poor as ever against Coventry and was abysmal against Fulham. So I don’t post much on here but always have a look-see. One thing I notice is that your views are there to troll everyone I’m sure! Such a sad state of affairs!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 28, 2022 22:34:58 GMT
We had a two man one second half. Allen and Baker. Clucas was anonymous all game and our whole midfield were completely outclassed in the first half, not just Allen. I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. I mean it was all going so swimmingly before he came on against cov wasn’t it?
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 28, 2022 22:35:29 GMT
Turned the game tonight but the side still needs a ball winner. It would transform us. We never successfully replaced N'Zonzi and that lack of success seems to have followed us into The Championship
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:36:39 GMT
I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. I mean it was all going so swimmingly before he came on against cov wasn’t it? It was shit before and shit after. Nothing changed 😂😂
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 28, 2022 22:37:04 GMT
So he was slightly better than a rusty Thompson yet he gets his own thread.
Amazing, no wonder opinion is massively split.
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Post by Bombus on Jan 28, 2022 22:37:13 GMT
We had a two man one second half. Allen and Baker. Clucas was anonymous all game and our whole midfield were completely outclassed in the first half, not just Allen. I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. Extraordinary.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 28, 2022 22:37:34 GMT
Turned the game tonight but the side still needs a ball winner. It would transform us. We never successfully replaced N'Zonzi and that lack of success seems to have followed us into The Championship Replaced one of the best midfielders I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt with a headless chicken who five years down the line we still don’t know what his best position is. People sleep on how much of a fuck up this was.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:37:59 GMT
We did tonight but I thought he was as poor as ever against Coventry and was abysmal against Fulham. So I don’t post much on here but always have a look-see. One thing I notice is that your views are there to troll everyone I’m sure! Such a sad state of affairs! Joe Allen is about the worst signing this club has made in the last 15 years when you bring in the money and the fee. At least we only watched Wimmer 17 times or something.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:38:44 GMT
I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. Extraordinary. It is. That there’s still people who haven’t got a clue what a functioning midfielder looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 22:40:23 GMT
We had a two man one second half. Allen and Baker. Clucas was anonymous all game and our whole midfield were completely outclassed in the first half, not just Allen. I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. I'd probably agree with your assessment of Baker. But as a collective, our midfield was overrun first half against Fulham. Didn't see the Coventry game as I was on noons this week, so can't comment. Only caught the second half tonight as well, and I thought Allen played like Allen does when he's at it, although he was lucky near the end with that weak defensive header that their player should have made more of.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 28, 2022 22:41:26 GMT
So he was slightly better than a rusty Thompson yet he gets his own thread. Amazing, no wonder opinion is massively split. Next time I’ll get your permission before I create a thread. Noted
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 28, 2022 22:42:11 GMT
Turned the game tonight but the side still needs a ball winner. It would transform us. We never successfully replaced N'Zonzi and that lack of success seems to have followed us into The Championship We never really replaced Whelan to be honest. The disciplined sitter that always rose to the challenge and did the dirty work. Limited footballer at PL level accepted. Every team that is successful needs one. Literally every single midfielder we have at the club, including Allen, would have their game transformed overnight if we signed one tomorrow.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 28, 2022 22:42:29 GMT
It is. That there’s still people who haven’t got a clue what a functioning midfielder looks like. Today, in the second half was the first time in aaaages we've started to control midfield. Allen is generally useless, but we should give some credit to him for it. Even if Powell and Baker offered more.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 28, 2022 22:43:09 GMT
For all those who criticise him, Joe Allan changed the game. He stemmed the tide in midfield. We got control in midfield which allowed us to play. Then once Powell came on, we started to look like we could win it. That's not quite true. We still looked turgid with him on. It wasn't until Vrancic limped off that we started looking alright. Powell changed that game. Allen did have a decent second half, but he wasn't a catalyst for a point.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 28, 2022 22:43:10 GMT
We never successfully replaced N'Zonzi and that lack of success seems to have followed us into The Championship Replaced one of the best midfielders I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt with a headless chicken who five years down the line we still don’t know what his best position is. People sleep on how much of a fuck up this was. Why not just give credit where it’s due ? He changed the game tonight. Pathetic agenda.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:43:37 GMT
I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. I'd probably agree with your assessment of Baker. But as a collective, our midfield was overrun first half against Fulham. Didn't see the Coventry game as I was on noons this week, so can't comment. Only caught the second half tonight as well, and I thought Allen played like Allen does when he's at it, although he was lucky near the end with that weak defensive header that their player should have made more of. It was a poor header and despite what the commentator said he clearly got a shout. Ironically heading is about the only thing I think he’s done consistently well in a Stoke shirt. For a short arse he wins a fair amount of headers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:44:13 GMT
It is. That there’s still people who haven’t got a clue what a functioning midfielder looks like. Today, in the second half was the first time in aaaages we've started to control midfield. Allen is generally useless, but we should give some credit to him for it. Even if Powell and Baker offered more. I have done 😂
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 28, 2022 22:45:03 GMT
Allen plays well but thread taken over by Allen haters who can’t accept that🤣so very very sad
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 28, 2022 22:45:07 GMT
We had a two man one second half. Allen and Baker. Clucas was anonymous all game and our whole midfield were completely outclassed in the first half, not just Allen. I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. Baker and Thompson stood off them first half. I think Baker wasn’t totally sure about Thompson and didn’t want to get caught out. Allen just got in the middle of it all tonight. This gave Baker a bit more space because it bounced out to him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2022 22:46:08 GMT
I don’t agree. Baker was fine throughout with the ball but not defensively first half. Allen came on against Cov and proceeded to give the ball away and fall over and it was comedy half hour. He did do well tonight though. Baker and Thompson stood off them first half. I think Baker wasn’t totally sure about Thompson and didn’t want to get caught out. Allen just got in the middle of it all tonight. This gave Baker a bit more space because it bounced out to him. That comment was about the Fulham game.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 28, 2022 22:46:30 GMT
We never successfully replaced N'Zonzi and that lack of success seems to have followed us into The Championship We never really replaced Whelan to be honest. The disciplined sitter that always rose to the challenge and did the dirty work. Limited footballer at PL level accepted. Every team that is successful needs one. Literally every single midfielder we have at the club, including Allen, would have their game transformed overnight if we signed one tomorrow. Absolutely, MON doesn't want a defensive midfielder though unfortunately.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 28, 2022 22:48:37 GMT
Baker and Thompson stood off them first half. I think Baker wasn’t totally sure about Thompson and didn’t want to get caught out. Allen just got in the middle of it all tonight. This gave Baker a bit more space because it bounced out to him. That comment was about the Fulham game. I think it applies tonight as well. Baker was fine with the ball again.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 28, 2022 22:50:35 GMT
Typical Joe Allen performance, racing all over the place making blocks and challenges in places not needing blocks and challenges and giving the ball away for fun, what's not to love?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 28, 2022 22:54:46 GMT
Typical Joe Allen performance, racing all over the place making blocks and challenges in places not needing blocks and challenges and giving the ball away for fun, what's not to love? Don’t you just hate it when a player works their bollocks off the team? Get rid now!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 28, 2022 22:56:32 GMT
Typical Joe Allen performance, racing all over the place making blocks and challenges in places not needing blocks and challenges and giving the ball away for fun, what's not to love? Don’t you just hate it when a player works their bollocks off the team? Get rid now! If he could read a game he wouldn’t need to run around like a dick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 22:56:38 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves, Powell changed the game. Not sure anybody is. This is a thread about how Joe Allen played well when he came on, which he did.
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