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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 1, 2022 22:34:11 GMT
As has been mentioned many times on many different forums, the atmosphere with a few notable exceptions has been dire now for ages. obviously the football seen on the pitch doesn’t help this at times, however there is absolutely zero in terms of making matchday a bit more enjoyable besides what’s happening on the pitch. There’s nothing around the ground, nothing been done before or after games, we can’t even get the speaker system working properly. Plenty of lower league and non league clubs offer a much better matchday experience than ourselves and surely it’s about time the club made a tiny bit of effort in improving this?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2022 22:42:39 GMT
I’ve said exactly the same about the atmosphere for ages now,we seem to have become a set of fans at home games who have forgot how to sing and get behind the players and if it wasn’t for the South stand god only knows what it would be like🤔
When you think back to what we were renowned for in our Premier league days it’s so upsetting to see.
The other thing that pisses me off also is the build up to games now ie music or the lack of it🙄Just like the other night the Derby team just appeared then us but no build up whatsoever,utterly tinpot in my opinion
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2022 22:44:01 GMT
Also the booing of a player that was being substituted the other night was pathetic by a certain few,yes he’d messed up for their winner but booing🤔
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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 1, 2022 22:46:36 GMT
I’ve said exactly the same about the atmosphere for ages now,we seem to have become a set of fans at home games who have forgot how to sing and get behind the players and if it wasn’t for the South stand god only knows what it would be like🤔 When you think back to what we were renowned for in our Premier league days it’s so upsetting to see. The other thing that pisses me off also is the build up to games now ie music or the lack of it🙄Just like the other night the Derby team just appeared then us but no build up whatsoever,utterly tinpot in my opinion I’m sure it’s not beyond the clubs resources to put together a ‘fanzone’ type area near the ground before the game with some music and decent beers/food, just adds a bit more to the day, the location of the ground doesn’t help I guess |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 1, 2022 22:50:07 GMT
I’ve started going to away games again and the difference is chalk and cheese. Franklin Stand is a disaster, more noise from a wet fart
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2022 22:51:22 GMT
I’ve said exactly the same about the atmosphere for ages now,we seem to have become a set of fans at home games who have forgot how to sing and get behind the players and if it wasn’t for the South stand god only knows what it would be like🤔 When you think back to what we were renowned for in our Premier league days it’s so upsetting to see. The other thing that pisses me off also is the build up to games now ie music or the lack of it🙄Just like the other night the Derby team just appeared then us but no build up whatsoever,utterly tinpot in my opinion I’m sure it’s not beyond the clubs resources to put together a ‘fanzone’ type area near the ground before the game with some music and decent beers/food, just adds a bit more to the day, the location of the ground doesn’t help I guess Its been bought up that many times mate about a fanzone but the club just don’t seem interested |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 23:00:04 GMT
Here we go again.
What the hell is there to cheer about?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 1, 2022 23:14:00 GMT
Following Stoke away is like supporting a different club.
The whole day is a polar opposite to a home game.
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Post by stokiejon89 on Jan 1, 2022 23:29:12 GMT
Can only agree with the general consensus. I live 15-20 minutes walk away from the ground and if not going a pub nearby I will leave as late as I can to only spend the course of the match in the ground. Such a transactional feel of paying for a season ticket to watch the match and regardless of result leave as soon as I can once the whistle goes. Perhaps I am just a tad bitter as the club wrote off some gift cards my lad go brought last Christmas because they did not get used within 12 months!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 23:30:46 GMT
Can only agree with the general consensus. I live 15-20 minutes walk away from the ground and if not going a pub nearby I will leave as late as I can to only spend the course of the match in the ground. Such a transactional feel of paying for a season ticket to watch the match and regardless of result leave as soon as I can once the whistle goes. Perhaps I am just a tad bitter as the club wrote off some gift cards my lad go brought last Christmas because they did not get used within 12 months! Why would you be bitter about what sounds like standard practise? |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 1, 2022 23:37:14 GMT
It feels like we're still suffering effects of the relegation hangover still, kind of like an extended mourning period.
The way we just fell away and self combusted on the pitch as a club was hard to watch. The way the board appeared so unconcerned as we were falling away also added to the feeling of inevitably to everything going on at the time.
If the early Rowett era had shown some genuine belief of a promotion push the fans may have regained the Premier League fan experience momentum. But the Rowett debacle, quickly followed by the Jones disaster did just merely kill off the majority of fans enthusiasm.
We were most definitely spoilt for the majority of our Premier League stay & had plenty to be positive about and our fanbase was definitely working hand in hand with the never say die attitude our team mostly displayed & produced.
We've gone passed the shock of relegation stage but due to hardly ever featuring as genuine promotion contenders we just seem to have settled back into believing we're back where we belong, just being a mediocre Championship Club as the majority of us had been used to following the mid 80's demise.
Its definitely a genuine concern as has been mentioned but I don't think anything other than a concerted run of looking like genuine promotion candidates will get the atmosphere back anytime soon.
Yes fair play to Derby fans who seem to be gathering momentum and are genuinely assisting their players on the pitch. I honestly wouldn't know how things would have developed regarding the ground atmosphere had Stoke been in Derby's position. Would we have given up and been worse than things currently are now or would we have developed the backs against the wall mentality. Tough one to call.
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Post by stokiejon89 on Jan 1, 2022 23:43:57 GMT
Can only agree with the general consensus. I live 15-20 minutes walk away from the ground and if not going a pub nearby I will leave as late as I can to only spend the course of the match in the ground. Such a transactional feel of paying for a season ticket to watch the match and regardless of result leave as soon as I can once the whistle goes. Perhaps I am just a tad bitter as the club wrote off some gift cards my lad go brought last Christmas because they did not get used within 12 months! Why would you be bitter about what sounds like standard practise? Not when most companies appreciate the card could not be realised within the timeframe of 12 months owing to the club shops being close for a few months of that period / mugs game buying giftcards of any sort granted |
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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 1, 2022 23:45:23 GMT
Here we go again. What the hell is there to cheer about? Original post acknowledges that the performances won’t be helping matters, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do the basics right, e.g not having the captain on at half time in front of a half empty ground and instead doing it before the match. If atmosphere was purely dependent on results/performances then there’d only be about 3 clubs in every league with a good atmosphere every week |
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Post by BuckRogers on Jan 1, 2022 23:48:58 GMT
I think it's just boredom playing at home. Majority of games we have one, if we lucky two shots on goal. Only game where it was a decent atmosphere was WBA when we actually had a go of winning a match and getting stuck in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 23:49:59 GMT
Here we go again. What the hell is there to cheer about? Original post acknowledges that the performances won’t be helping matters, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do the basics right, e.g not having the captain on at half time in front of a half empty ground and instead doing it before the match. If atmosphere was purely dependent on results/performances then there’d only be about 3 clubs in every league with a good atmosphere every week The club is a joke yes. But I don’t think that would have helped the atmosphere. I just felt sorry for Ryan tbh. The whole thing was amateurish. |
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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 1, 2022 23:54:16 GMT
Original post acknowledges that the performances won’t be helping matters, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do the basics right, e.g not having the captain on at half time in front of a half empty ground and instead doing it before the match. If atmosphere was purely dependent on results/performances then there’d only be about 3 clubs in every league with a good atmosphere every week The club is a joke yes. But I don’t think that would have helped the atmosphere. I just felt sorry for Ryan tbh. The whole thing was amateurish. You’d hope a new ceo after scholes leaves might be a chance to sort some of the off the pitch stuff but I don’t think there’s been any news about a replacement |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 23:57:30 GMT
The club is a joke yes. But I don’t think that would have helped the atmosphere. I just felt sorry for Ryan tbh. The whole thing was amateurish. You’d hope a new ceo after scholes leaves might be a chance to sort some of the off the pitch stuff but I don’t think there’s been any news about a replacement We can only hope. There’s so much more easy stuff we could do. I’ve been impressed with the shop the last few times I’ve been though and the stuff they sell. Far more willing to take my money with what they’re bringing out. |
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Post by Ron on Jan 2, 2022 0:08:47 GMT
There have been many, many threads about this.
Even in the premier league days- the football and that alone generated the atmosphere and nothing else.
We play in a soulless out of town ground- the club need to try and make something of the areas around the ground.
Hand out free tickets to schools as much as you like- with the match day experience away from the football being as dire as it is it’s ever likely folk don’t go back.
Those of us that have been going for years will of course always go- but that’s taken for granted by the club.
Just some effort would be nice.
The fact the banners on the stadium depict our shirt from 2016 days it all- there’s little care and a lack of pride for me.
There’s plenty of space around the ground- bars, a bit of music wouldn’t go amiss. Just something, anything to show a bit of effort.
I know there are plenty who will go whatever pub they go to and roll up 2 mins per ko. That’s not for everyone mind and the club really we missing a trick.
The supporters council are no doubt yes folk pleased to be round a table with club reps sitting there like nodding dogs- as they seem to achieve nothing in this regard. Folk have bemoaned the match day experience on here for years - and I have no doubt they’re all
On here and will have read what folk have had to say.
The whole things a bit stale… heading for rotten again sadly.
12k crowds are not far away again I fear. Making the match day more of an experience / enjoyable in and around the ground would help.
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Post by felonious on Jan 2, 2022 6:58:43 GMT
Why would you be bitter about what sounds like standard practise? Not when most companies appreciate the card could not be realised within the timeframe of 12 months owing to the club shops being close for a few months of that period / mugs game buying giftcards of any sort granted That's fairly poor by the club. I have a season ticket for a car park which was closed for large chunks of the year. The company extended the ticket to take into account the lost months. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 2, 2022 7:02:09 GMT
I’m sure it’s not beyond the clubs resources to put together a ‘fanzone’ type area near the ground before the game with some music and decent beers/food, just adds a bit more to the day, the location of the ground doesn’t help I guess Its been bought up that many times mate about a fanzone but the club just don’t seem interested If you're desperate for a fanzone lads there's one up at the Vale  On a serious note it shows what can be done when you get it right on and off the pitch. |
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Post by victoria on Jan 2, 2022 7:05:10 GMT
Weve only 3 home matches in January. It 3 days this month that the stadium is fully open.That why it stale around the ground .
Plus covid. I think we all just need to see enthusiasm from the players.
Playing we are going to score one more goal than you, attacking , entertaining football.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 2, 2022 9:57:34 GMT
Great thread, and one that is a yearly occurrence.
Our atmosphere has been mainly poor for several years now, and well before relegation. There's number of factors at play, and let's face it, away games have always been far better than home games. A few things......
Routine is key. Since 1997, ours perdonakky has been far, far worse.
For many, matchday is a twenty minute walk with very little around the ground earn you get there. Gone are the days of leaving your centre pubs at 2.45pm and when yiu get the ground it's been a pretty soulless journey, including the nightmare of parking.
At the ground- why no fan zone or even a museum or programme shop? Something that will make people get there earlier and stay later. Fan zones aren't all facepaint and forced fun.....check Tranmere's out, its superb. The programme shop at The Vic was rammed most matches, too. These are very easy wins, especially if you have local ales, food etc. Look at The Boatcake.
Cost. Yesterday I took my lad to Leek Town....you can watch a non league game with your kid and have a drink and a burger for less than a twenty note, and be home by ten pad five. And the football is no worse than watching many of our home games. Basic economics and lack of entertainment will see many drift away.
......and I've hardly mentioned the standard of football and how for many the ground is simply not loveable as a home.
Serious thought has to be given to the March day experience. I hate that term, but in 2022, you can do a lot of things for £50-100, indeed the pandemic has shown us that many great things are free.
When my 13 year old football barmy kid much prefers going to Harrison Park rather than our soulless bowl then something isn't right. I look at him and he's bored rigid before, during, and after matches.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 2, 2022 10:18:43 GMT
There have been many, many threads about this. Even in the premier league days- the football and that alone generated the atmosphere and nothing else. We play in a soulless out of town ground- the club need to try and make something of the areas around the ground. Hand out free tickets to schools as much as you like- with the match day experience away from the football being as dire as it is it’s ever likely folk don’t go back. Those of us that have been going for years will of course always go- but that’s taken for granted by the club. Just some effort would be nice. The fact the banners on the stadium depict our shirt from 2016 days it all- there’s little care and a lack of pride for me. There’s plenty of space around the ground- bars, a bit of music wouldn’t go amiss. Just something, anything to show a bit of effort. I know there are plenty who will go whatever pub they go to and roll up 2 mins per ko. That’s not for everyone mind and the club really we missing a trick. The supporters council are no doubt yes folk pleased to be round a table with club reps sitting there like nodding dogs- as they seem to achieve nothing in this regard. Folk have bemoaned the match day experience on here for years - and I have no doubt they’re all On here and will have read what folk have had to say. The whole things a bit stale… heading for rotten again sadly. 12k crowds are not far away again I fear. Making the match day more of an experience / enjoyable in and around the ground would help. Yes it's an out of town ground but surely that is more reason for the club to make the area fan friendly before the game. On Thursday night I stupidly took the advice to arrive early and was in my seat 45 minutes before kick off. There were no players on the pitch, no music, nothing on the big screen. What am I supposed to do to stop me being bored before the game starts? It reminds me so much of the Bolton situation, a ground I visited several times when my son was at Manchester uni and fans just turned up and moaned before the game and continued grumbling throughout and look where they ended up. A positive pre-match experience would lead to a more positive crowd at the start of the game. Derby are so much more inclusive. Their ground too is on an out of town development yet even on weekdays there are plenty of people around as there are several franchises around the outside of the ground. Before a match they have a small fanzone with fans able to buy beer and food and I know several people who enjoy turning up there early. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 2, 2022 10:19:20 GMT
We've not been remotely in contention for anything at the business end of the season in the 4 years since we went down.
We're basically just fulfilling a set of 46 fixtures, people are left contemplating the futility of our very existence.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 2, 2022 10:24:59 GMT
It feels like the club is drifting aimlessly into oblivion no leaders on the pitch or off the pitch as said above we will very soon be back to home crowds of 12k.
We need a major change right from the top as the club needs to stop living in the 80s/90s we seem to be falling away rapidly.
I found myself agreeing with the Derby fans singing your support is shit. Any neutral watching that would have thought Derby were the home team its sad to think how far we have fallen.
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 10:48:08 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are.
Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !!
We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night.
This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2022 10:49:44 GMT
It feels like the club is drifting aimlessly into oblivion no leaders on the pitch or off the pitch as said above we will very soon be back to home crowds of 12k. We need a major change right from the top as the club needs to stop living in the 80s/90s we seem to be falling away rapidly. I found myself agreeing with the Derby fans singing your support is shit. Any neutral watching that would have thought Derby were the home team its sad to think how far we have fallen. As I’ve said before we have a competition on how long it takes away fans to sing that and the other night it was about 3/4 minutes which was pretty quick,it’s normally around the 9/10 minute mark |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2022 10:51:51 GMT
It feels like the club is drifting aimlessly into oblivion no leaders on the pitch or off the pitch as said above we will very soon be back to home crowds of 12k. We need a major change right from the top as the club needs to stop living in the 80s/90s we seem to be falling away rapidly. I found myself agreeing with the Derby fans singing your support is shit. Any neutral watching that would have thought Derby were the home team its sad to think how far we have fallen. As I’ve said before we have a competition on how long it takes away fans to sing that and the other night it was about 3/4 minutes which was pretty quick,it’s normally around the 9/10 minute mark Must be fun where you sit. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2022 11:02:07 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are. Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !! We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night. This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉 Middlesbrough took nearly 5,000 to Blackpool. How did they get that allocation? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2022 11:55:29 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are. Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !! We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night. This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉 Middlesbrough took nearly 5,000 to Blackpool. How did they get that allocation? Funny this one. They took exactly the same as us. My eldest was a ball boy at the game so I had to go as well. They had exactly the same allocation as us and filled it, just like we did. |
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