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Post by leicspotter on Jan 2, 2022 12:04:05 GMT
I've said it before, the atmosphere has been diluted since the "singing section" started up in the corner of the south stand. The Boothen can't hear them, they can't hear the Boothen so you end up with two sets of fans singing different songs, or the same song out of synch. It's like Block 19 on mogodon.
Get back up the Boothen and lets have some proper noise!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2022 12:06:14 GMT
I've said it before, the atmosphere has been diluted since the "singing section" started up in the corner of the south stand. The Boothen can't hear them, they can't hear the Boothen so you end up with two sets of fans singing different songs, or the same song out of synch. It's like Block 19 on mogodon. Get back up the Boothen and lets have some proper noise! This is very true. I sit in between both and you just can’t join in because it’s so disjointed. And all this talk of the Derby fans being good, again I barely heard them because of the acoustics of the ground.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2022 12:13:35 GMT
I've said it before, the atmosphere has been diluted since the "singing section" started up in the corner of the south stand. The Boothen can't hear them, they can't hear the Boothen so you end up with two sets of fans singing different songs, or the same song out of synch. It's like Block 19 on mogodon. Get back up the Boothen and lets have some proper noise! If Safe standing comes in, it might shift back as you'd assume any movement from us on that would be to convert the Boothen to safe standing and move those that want to sit to the other end or elsewhere.
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Post by luke45 on Jan 2, 2022 12:39:05 GMT
I'm sure there are some things we could put in place that would improve the matchday experience but the bottom line is you need to be successful on the pitch, that's what gets more people through the turnstiles and that's what gets the crowd on board. We had a near sold out stadium most weeks in the Premier League for a decade, there was no fanzones or gripping half time entertainment, it was Premier League football and that was enough to keep the vast majority turning up even when things turned toxic. I don't know what the average age is of our season ticket holders but at a guess I'd say between 20-30, my age bracket ( for at least a few more months! ). I travel down from Cumbria and I know if we had a fanzone I'd rarely use it, I'd rather stay in Stoke until 2.30, have a decent pint and then get the bus up rather than an over-priced pint in a plastic cup with some crappy background music playing and a hippo wandering about bothering folk.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 2, 2022 12:57:51 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are. Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !! We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night. This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉 To use your quote “Think the problem is”. Some people will gladly accept 2nd best as some form of achievement and in support of such a view they use the extremely constructive statement “If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale” IMHO the context of the original post was legitimate, supporters will have different opinions/ideas about the match day experience some may have merit, others may not. Remember it was our esteem CEO Jez Moxey who first referred to supporters as customers. As customers surely they (we) should expect to enjoy the match day experience. It may be worth remembering the Clubs adopted moto of Vis Unita Fortior. If that’s to difficult perhaps you should consider taking your own advice 👍
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Post by Block 26 on Jan 2, 2022 13:14:44 GMT
Just been reading through the thread & agree that the atmosphere has become non existent. I agree that the football has been pretty much dire the past 4 or 5 home games but it was never pretty under Pulis in the prem when we were the loudest fans in the country. However I think the difference is that we saw a set of players wearing the shirt giving their all for the fans. That’s what got us up off our seats & the players responded too it. Me personally I think that we need some new material. Blackpool for example we’re brilliant with their ole ole ole song, Us stokies we’re pretty much silent until we scored late on because we simply had nothing to match them. “Oh when the reds” seems to be the only song that takes off these days & that only lasts for a minute or so…. Maybe it’s time to create some new hymn’s.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 2, 2022 13:33:03 GMT
Fanzone - local bands, local food stalls offering something different than burger or pie, meet an ex-player or a currently injured player (obviously difficult with Covid but one day…)
The South Stand ultras thing isn’t working. Cracking idea but there’s not enough of them. Move it to the Boothen where there’s a few more to help.
Prior to Thursday I’d been very lucky in that the last 7-8 games I’d been to at home we’ve won (all Saturday 3pms, should stick to that!) so the atmosphere has been better in the ground. Derby game was shocking though, half empty ground with very little atmosphere.
It’s a vicious circle at the moment. The Stoke-On-Trent attitude, the fear of change or just complete resistant to it because of a mindset of there’s nothing wrong with how things used to be, is so obvious in many aspects of how the club is run. And this reflects on the fans too. The question is, who’s going to break the circle?
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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 2, 2022 14:17:47 GMT
Fanzone - local bands, local food stalls offering something different than burger or pie, meet an ex-player or a currently injured player (obviously difficult with Covid but one day…) The South Stand ultras thing isn’t working. Cracking idea but there’s not enough of them. Move it to the Boothen where there’s a few more to help. Prior to Thursday I’d been very lucky in that the last 7-8 games I’d been to at home we’ve won (all Saturday 3pms, should stick to that!) so the atmosphere has been better in the ground. Derby game was shocking though, half empty ground with very little atmosphere. It’s a vicious circle at the moment. The Stoke-On-Trent attitude, the fear of change or just complete resistant to it because of a mindset of there’s nothing wrong with how things used to be, is so obvious in many aspects of how the club is run. And this reflects on the fans too. The question is, who’s going to break the circle? Would agree with this mate, reading through the thread there is a consensus that things need improvement/changing, obviously people will have different perspectives on what that is but the issue for me is that the people involved with running the club just seem to be asleep at the wheel in regards to any off pitch stuff. Surely we could be looking at things other clubs do and maybe trialling some ideas?
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 14:27:54 GMT
Middlesbrough took nearly 5,000 to Blackpool. How did they get that allocation? Funny this one. They took exactly the same as us. My eldest was a ball boy at the game so I had to go as well. They had exactly the same allocation as us and filled it, just like we did. They definitely 100% had more than us. I’ve seen photos of both followings.
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 14:37:09 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are. Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !! We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night. This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉 To use your quote “Think the problem is”. Some people will gladly accept 2nd best as some form of achievement and in support of such a view they use the extremely constructive statement “If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale” IMHO the context of the original post was legitimate, supporters will have different opinions/ideas about the match day experience some may have merit, others may not. Remember it was our esteem CEO Jez Moxey who first referred to supporters as customers. As customers surely they (we) should expect to enjoy the match day experience. It may be worth remembering the Clubs adopted moto of Vis Unita Fortior. If that’s to difficult perhaps you should consider taking your own advice 👍 I’m neither accepting or not accepting second best and I’m also just voicing my opinion. Just don’t see anything in the post that I think would work. As a club the moment we’re just not big enough for fan zones etc. the Fcuk off up the vale was just tongue in cheek as it’s often said. Thought the winky thing would have explained that 🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2022 14:38:27 GMT
To use your quote “Think the problem is”. Some people will gladly accept 2nd best as some form of achievement and in support of such a view they use the extremely constructive statement “If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale” IMHO the context of the original post was legitimate, supporters will have different opinions/ideas about the match day experience some may have merit, others may not. Remember it was our esteem CEO Jez Moxey who first referred to supporters as customers. As customers surely they (we) should expect to enjoy the match day experience. It may be worth remembering the Clubs adopted moto of Vis Unita Fortior. If that’s to difficult perhaps you should consider taking your own advice 👍 I’m neither accepting or not accepting second best and I’m also just voicing my opinion. Just don’t see anything in the post that I think would work. As a club the moment we’re just not big enough for fan zones etc. the Fcuk off up the vale was just tongue in cheek as it’s often said. Thought the winky thing would have explained that 🙄 Vale have a fan zone that seems to work. Why aren’t we big enough for one?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2022 14:38:42 GMT
Funny this one. They took exactly the same as us. My eldest was a ball boy at the game so I had to go as well. They had exactly the same allocation as us and filled it, just like we did. They definitely 100% had more than us. I’ve seen photos of both followings. "I'm not embarrassed to enjoy a win like this. If people talk about us celebrating like we've done this or that, well we've won a game in front of 3,000 supporters who have travelled, didn't know if the game was on or off. Why can't we celebrate like that?
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 14:51:46 GMT
I’m neither accepting or not accepting second best and I’m also just voicing my opinion. Just don’t see anything in the post that I think would work. As a club the moment we’re just not big enough for fan zones etc. the Fcuk off up the vale was just tongue in cheek as it’s often said. Thought the winky thing would have explained that 🙄 Vale have a fan zone that seems to work. Why aren’t we big enough for one? Maybe I don’t really get the fan zone. Also I’m thinking our club wouldn’t bother unless it made money. Just think only a very small percentage of our fans would use it. Has the council looked into one. I’m all for trying anything. Thing is looks like no one can be bothered at the club !?
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 14:54:12 GMT
They definitely 100% had more than us. I’ve seen photos of both followings. "I'm not embarrassed to enjoy a win like this. If people talk about us celebrating like we've done this or that, well we've won a game in front of 3,000 supporters who have travelled, didn't know if the game was on or off. Why can't we celebrate like that? Who mentioned being embarrassed ! I’d enjoy a win if just me and the dog we’re watching.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 2, 2022 14:54:30 GMT
I’m sure it’s not beyond the clubs resources to put together a ‘fanzone’ type area near the ground before the game with some music and decent beers/food, just adds a bit more to the day, the location of the ground doesn’t help I guess Its been bought up that many times mate about a fanzone but the club just don’t seem interested The club are still stuck in the past mate. I'm surprised the beer isn't served in tankards.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 2, 2022 14:56:16 GMT
Can only agree with the general consensus. I live 15-20 minutes walk away from the ground and if not going a pub nearby I will leave as late as I can to only spend the course of the match in the ground. Such a transactional feel of paying for a season ticket to watch the match and regardless of result leave as soon as I can once the whistle goes. Perhaps I am just a tad bitter as the club wrote off some gift cards my lad go brought last Christmas because they did not get used within 12 months! Why would you be bitter about what sounds like standard practise? I was hoping you would’ve made. New Year’s resolution to go with the flow a little, but obviously not. It is a shite standard practise, the money should be honoured until expended. If you put £20 in the bank and never touched it for a year, it would still be there on day 366, they wouldn’t say your accounts empty because you have touched your money for a year. It’s petty.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2022 14:58:03 GMT
Its been bought up that many times mate about a fanzone but the club just don’t seem interested The club are still stuck in the past mate. I'm surprised the beer isn't served in tankards. I agree with that in some respect mate but there are examples of good things like the season tickets being frozen for years and free coach travel for supporters also. If you’re going tomorrow have alook at the top of the dugouts🤔I thought they’d painted them a light green until I realised it was green mold🤣🤣
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Post by Timmy on Jan 2, 2022 14:58:08 GMT
To use your quote “Think the problem is”. Some people will gladly accept 2nd best as some form of achievement and in support of such a view they use the extremely constructive statement “If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale” IMHO the context of the original post was legitimate, supporters will have different opinions/ideas about the match day experience some may have merit, others may not. Remember it was our esteem CEO Jez Moxey who first referred to supporters as customers. As customers surely they (we) should expect to enjoy the match day experience. It may be worth remembering the Clubs adopted moto of Vis Unita Fortior. If that’s to difficult perhaps you should consider taking your own advice 👍 I’m neither accepting or not accepting second best and I’m also just voicing my opinion. Just don’t see anything in the post that I think would work. As a club the moment we’re just not big enough for fan zones etc. the Fcuk off up the vale was just tongue in cheek as it’s often said. Thought the winky thing would have explained that 🙄 20,000 fans not big enough to have a fan zone of some sort? I think the club are too scared of failure, if it doesn't work then we live and we learn don't we?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2022 14:58:12 GMT
Why would you be bitter about what sounds like standard practise? I was hoping you would’ve made. New Year’s resolution to go with the flow a little, but obviously not. It is a shite standard practise, the money should be honoured until expended. If you put £20 in the bank and never touched it for a year, it would still be there on day 366, they wouldn’t say your accounts empty because you have touched your money for a year. It’s petty. Vouchers usually have an expiry date. Bank accounts don’t.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2022 15:01:13 GMT
Funny this one. They took exactly the same as us. My eldest was a ball boy at the game so I had to go as well. They had exactly the same allocation as us and filled it, just like we did. They definitely 100% had more than us. I’ve seen photos of both followings. They got exactly the same allocation. 3/4 of the temporary stand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2022 15:01:18 GMT
Vale have a fan zone that seems to work. Why aren’t we big enough for one? Maybe I don’t really get the fan zone. Also I’m thinking our club wouldn’t bother unless it made money. Just think only a very small percentage of our fans would use it. Has the council looked into one. I’m all for trying anything. Thing is looks like no one can be bothered at the club !? It’s been mentioned regularly and fobbed off regularly. The club won’t do anything that needs effort.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2022 15:02:10 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jan 2, 2022 15:09:52 GMT
Six years of utter dross, the fans have been beaten into submission. I've lost count of the times we've had to force ourselves to leave The Suth and trudge to the stadium. Despite being tempted to just stay in a warm pub with decent ale, you force yourself because that's basically what you went out for in the first place
The worst part of a match day are 3-5pm which is pretty ironic when you think about it 🤦
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2022 15:11:43 GMT
"I'm not embarrassed to enjoy a win like this. If people talk about us celebrating like we've done this or that, well we've won a game in front of 3,000 supporters who have travelled, didn't know if the game was on or off. Why can't we celebrate like that? Who mentioned being embarrassed ! I’d enjoy a win if just me and the dog we’re watching. 😄I was quoting what Wilder said about the away numbers👍
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 2, 2022 15:14:19 GMT
Sound like we need a CEO who knows how to generate a feel good factor.
That's primarily down to a successful team with players pulling their weight, but it helps to have a management and owners who get the IT right, get the catering right, get the PA right, modernise the ticketing to sota, improve the access and egress, fill a corner in before a decade in the Prem. and generally bring the club into the 21st century.
I remember going to Sheffield Utd for a pre season friendly when we were still in the Prem and they were on their way up the league. You could tell that night at Bramhall Lane Sheffield Utd were going places and we were stale.
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 15:22:44 GMT
I’m neither accepting or not accepting second best and I’m also just voicing my opinion. Just don’t see anything in the post that I think would work. As a club the moment we’re just not big enough for fan zones etc. the Fcuk off up the vale was just tongue in cheek as it’s often said. Thought the winky thing would have explained that 🙄 20,000 fans not big enough to have a fan zone of some sort? I think the club are too scared of failure, if it doesn't work then we live and we learn don't we? Actually I do t think that 20,000 isn’t enough. You have to take away all those who just go the pub before the game. People who just go straight to the game and straight home etc etc. Plus the weather in this country doesn’t really lend itself. On a nice warm sunny day. Count me in. Personally I wouldn’t use it as I would rather stay in the pub with my mates. But like you say. Trialing it is the way to find out.
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Post by ab61 on Jan 2, 2022 15:26:23 GMT
Six years of utter dross, the fans have been beaten into submission. I've lost count of the times we've had to force ourselves to leave The Suth and trudge to the stadium. Despite being tempted to just stay in a warm pub with decent ale, you force yourself because that's basically what you went out for in the first place The worst part of a match day are 3-5pm which is pretty ironic when you think about it 🤦 Pretty true that. We always say more often than not the game spoils a good day out. Home or away. But I guess that’s what supporting a club like Stoke is all about.
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Post by andycooke96 on Jan 2, 2022 15:32:54 GMT
Sound like we need a CEO who knows how to generate a feel good factor. That's primarily down to a successful team with players pulling their weight, but it helps to have a management and owners who get the IT right, get the catering right, get the PA right, modernise the ticketing to sota, improve the access and egress, fill a corner in before a decade in the Prem. and generally bring the club into the 21st century. I remember going to Sheffield Utd for a pre season friendly when we were still in the Prem and they were on their way up the league. You could tell that night at Bramhall Lane Sheffield Utd were going places and we were stale. There’s a definitely a lack of direction off the pitch when it comes to stuff like this
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 15:39:12 GMT
Vale have a fan zone that seems to work. Why aren’t we big enough for one? Maybe I don’t really get the fan zone. Also I’m thinking our club wouldn’t bother unless it made money. Just think only a very small percentage of our fans would use it. Has the council looked into one. I’m all for trying anything. Thing is looks like no one can be bothered at the club !? with you on the fan zone thing.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 2, 2022 15:40:01 GMT
Think the problem is we think we’re bigger than we are. No one complained when we were in the Prem and the atmosphere was amazing at times. Now them 12,000 or so part time supporters have disappeared we are what we are. Don’t know what the poster is expecting pre match and absolutely no idea after match !! We’re shit at home and away at the moment. Not really that good when we’re doing well in this division to be honest at home. The likes of Middlesbrough and Derby have way better fans than us. Middlesbrough took almost double what we took to Blackpool other night. This isn’t something that has just happened lately. It’s happened all down the years. Like I say we are what we are. Not that good really. But it’s our club. If you don’t like it Fcuk Off up the Vale 👍😉 Our problem is we don't have owners with real ambition and prepared to be ruthless to achieve their goals. I don't want foreign owners any more than anyone else, but you have to recognise that when they take over English clubs (or Welsh) they implement ambitious programmes to achieve success. Some fail, like Hull, but most succeed. Who Stoke appoint as CEO will speak volumes. Meanwhile we watch our peers like Wolves, West Brom, etc who go through difficult periods but pick themselves up. It's very simple really. You either get your finger out and turn things around and get back up like Norwich, West Brom, Watford, etc. or you slide down the league like former great clubs like Sunderland, Sheffield Wed, Ipswich, etc. As Leeds, Sheffield Utd, and others have demonstrated , it is possible to turn things round. It just needs the right people in charge. Our future is in the hands of the owners, who need to appoint competent CEO and manager.
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