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Post by moon on Nov 11, 2021 12:07:46 GMT
Good move for Gerrard. What else could he achieve at Rangers? The SPL is like groundhog day. It's a big call for him some level of success at Villa would edge him towards a Klopp replacement which is obviously his ambition, a failure could severely dent those ambitions. His achievements at Rangers shouldn't be underestimated. p.s. Enjoy the inevitable media jizzfest at least it might persuade the BBCand Sky to talk about something other than the so called big six. Hopefully they don't forget to mention the last Premier League game Gerrard was involved in, it was quite a cracker.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Nov 11, 2021 12:27:56 GMT
Let's hope he takes them back down to the Champo as soon as possible.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 11, 2021 13:42:26 GMT
Massive job for Gerrard after working in a Mickey Mouse league Deserves a chance though. Virgil van Dijk made his name in the same league.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 11, 2021 14:21:25 GMT
Massive job for Gerrard after working in a Mickey Mouse league Deserves a chance though. Virgil van Dijk made his name in the same league. Totally agree mate and with a three n half year contract he sees it as not a quick fix , I hope he succeeds, great player etc and English , although I think he’s destined for the scousers after Villa
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 11, 2021 21:28:55 GMT
I think its a great appointment for Villa.
They never get relegated and are always mid table and play it safe.
Its actually a really well run club to aspire to be.
You just can't hate Villa it's really impossible.
For Gerrard it's an obvious step into the prem league but it's hard to define what success would actually be?
They dont have the money to break the top 6 unless they do a Leicester in one season.
They never get relegated.
They've had a few seasons in Europe league but never champions league.
Dean Smith had got stale there but I dont see how any manager could take Villa to the next level. They are a decent mid table team and will always be that.
I reckon Gerrard will keep them up there and maybe he can focus on winning a cup? Other than that it's hard to see how much he can improve them.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 11, 2021 21:42:05 GMT
I think its a great appointment for Villa. They never get relegated and are always mid table and play it safe. Its actually a really well run club to aspire to be. You just can't hate Villa it's really impossible. For Gerrard it's an obvious step into the prem league but it's hard to define what success would actually be? They dont have the money to break the top 6 unless they do a Leicester in one season. They never get relegated. They've had a few seasons in Europe league but never champions league. Dean Smith had got stale there but I dont see how any manager could take Villa to the next level. They are a decent mid table team and will always be that. I reckon Gerrard will keep them up there and maybe he can focus on winning a cup? Other than that it's hard to see how much he can improve them. Villa are the fifth richest team in the Premier League, they deffo have money to throw around if they wanted to/FFP barring.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 11, 2021 21:52:49 GMT
I was speaking to a Rangers fan while walking a stretch of the West Highland Way last month, and he spoke very highly of Gerrard, expecting him to go on to become one of the top managers. He does seem the most likely of that 'golden generation' of England players to do so.
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Post by onefatcopper on Nov 11, 2021 22:02:27 GMT
I think its a great appointment for Villa. They never get relegated and are always mid table and play it safe. Its actually a really well run club to aspire to be. You just can't hate Villa it's really impossible. For Gerrard it's an obvious step into the prem league but it's hard to define what success would actually be? They dont have the money to break the top 6 unless they do a Leicester in one season. They never get relegated. They've had a few seasons in Europe league but never champions league. Dean Smith had got stale there but I dont see how any manager could take Villa to the next level. They are a decent mid table team and will always be that. I reckon Gerrard will keep them up there and maybe he can focus on winning a cup? Other than that it's hard to see how much he can improve them. They never get relegated ? They have only gained promotion to the premier league a couple of years ago, as for a really well run club they were two days from bankruptcy before they were rescued by two billionaires who have money to spend. Villa could easily make it to the next level, they have the stadium and have the largest home support in the midlands, all they need is the right management and a competitive squad.
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2021 22:02:36 GMT
I was speaking to a Rangers fan while walking a stretch of the West Highland Way last month, and he spoke very highly of Gerrard, expecting him to go on to become one of the top managers. He does seem the most likely of that 'golden generation' of England players to do so. Seeing as there is only him and Lampard in management (Terry might end up being one) that's not much of an accolade
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 11, 2021 22:08:55 GMT
I was speaking to a Rangers fan while walking a stretch of the West Highland Way last month, and he spoke very highly of Gerrard, expecting him to go on to become one of the top managers. He does seem the most likely of that 'golden generation' of England players to do so. Seeing as there is only him and Lampard in management (Terry might end up being one) that's not much of an accolade Rooney? With Terry and Ashley Cole with ambitions to go into management.
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Post by lordb on Nov 11, 2021 22:12:51 GMT
Seeing as there is only him and Lampard in management (Terry might end up being one) that's not much of an accolade Rooney? With Terry and Ashley Cole with ambitions to go into management. Forgot about Rooney to be fair He's doing a decent job given the circumstances at Derby Cole and Terry aren't managers yet So three managers out if the golden generation None strike as too drawer managers atm but all three have done OK If Stoke had the choice between Gerrard or Dean Smith surely it would be Smith (?) Gerrard has done pretty well but no more than that It's a downgrade by Villa
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 11, 2021 22:18:07 GMT
Rooney? With Terry and Ashley Cole with ambitions to go into management. Forgot about Rooney to be fair He's doing a decent job given the circumstances at Derby Cole and Terry aren't managers yet So three managers out if the golden generation None strike as too drawer managers atm but all three have done OK If Stoke had the choice between Gerrard or Dean Smith surely it would be Smith (?) Gerrard has done pretty well but no more than that It's a downgrade by Villa Time will tell whether Gerrard is a downgrade, though I did say Smith's sacking was the most ridiculous of the recent batch. I think Villa were in safer hands with him than plumping for Gerrard who could be hit or miss. I could be wrong but think Gerrard has something extra about him that might make him a successful manager.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 11, 2021 22:33:06 GMT
The question is will Rangers come knocking for MON? odds have shortened from 25/1 to 14/1 Gouranga.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 11, 2021 23:42:36 GMT
The question is will Rangers come knocking for MON? odds have shortened from 25/1 to 14/1 Gouranga. Catholic manager for Rangers?
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2021 12:15:55 GMT
The question is will Rangers come knocking for MON? odds have shortened from 25/1 to 14/1 Gouranga. Catholic manager for Rangers? An Ulster Catholic at that
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Post by andystokey on Nov 13, 2021 17:38:41 GMT
Norwich bound by all accounts, what's that a week out of work?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 22:22:35 GMT
I think the job is way too soon for where Gerrard is in his managerial years.
I can see him doing the same as Lampard did at Chelsea.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 14, 2021 7:23:58 GMT
He’s gone for the money as Norwich are utter shit , nice payday for him
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Post by a on Nov 14, 2021 8:00:01 GMT
I think its a great appointment for Villa. They never get relegated and are always mid table and play it safe. Its actually a really well run club to aspire to be. You just can't hate Villa it's really impossible. For Gerrard it's an obvious step into the prem league but it's hard to define what success would actually be? They dont have the money to break the top 6 unless they do a Leicester in one season. They never get relegated. They've had a few seasons in Europe league but never champions league. Dean Smith had got stale there but I dont see how any manager could take Villa to the next level. They are a decent mid table team and will always be that. I reckon Gerrard will keep them up there and maybe he can focus on winning a cup? Other than that it's hard to see how much he can improve them. Villa aren’t a mid table side. 16th, 15th, 15th, 17th, 20th, 17th, 11th… They dangle just above relegation by the looks of it.
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Post by liam007 on Nov 14, 2021 9:06:59 GMT
Always had massive respect for Villa.Great club,love the ground,superb support.Great history,grew up watching football in the late 70's and it was Liverpool dominance in the league and Europe.So to see Villa(and Forest) break it up for a season or so was great.Recall the season winning the league they were going head to toe with Ipswich for months,then watching them winning the proper European cup with Peter Withe's goal.The Holte End swaying from side to side when Gary Shaw went clean through,Sid Cowans,Big Ken at the back,Jimmy Rimmer in goal,Denis Mortimer a class act in their midfield,Tony Morley down the wing.Their kits of the time,even their goal nets seemed better than any other ground's.Always had a soft spot for The Villa helped by my dislike of their neighbours. Don't know if Gerrard is a good appointment or not,feel sure though if they had the financial backing that Man City have had and Newcastle likely to get they would be far bigger than both clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 12:24:11 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players .
He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising .
I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department
Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department
Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like .
Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ?
He has not done a bad Job without one .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 14, 2021 12:27:06 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players . He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising . I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like . Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ? He has not done a bad Job without one . Would this be the recruitment side that MON himself appointed? Smith will have had plenty of input into their signings.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 14, 2021 12:36:51 GMT
Always had massive respect for Villa.Great club,love the ground,superb support.Great history,grew up watching football in the late 70's and it was Liverpool dominance in the league and Europe.So to see Villa(and Forest) break it up for a season or so was great.Recall the season winning the league they were going head to toe with Ipswich for months,then watching them winning the proper European cup with Peter Withe's goal.The Holte End swaying from side to side when Gary Shaw went clean through,Sid Cowans,Big Ken at the back,Jimmy Rimmer in goal,Denis Mortimer a class act in their midfield,Tony Morley down the wing.Their kits of the time,even their goal nets seemed better than any other ground's.Always had a soft spot for The Villa helped by my dislike of their neighbours. Don't know if Gerrard is a good appointment or not,feel sure though if they had the financial backing that Man City have had and Newcastle likely to get they would be far bigger than both clubs. I have a close watch on Villa as Bro & Mrs's family are Villa fans & if Stoke aren't playing & my bro can't make a match I take my nephew down to Villa Park so pick up on the vibes on how things are down there. I think Gerrard will be a good appointment for them. & with regards to their owners, I don't think finances will ever be an issue for then these days. They were lucky to get promoted in the play off final coz had they lost that match there's a real chance they'd of been in similar strife to what Derby are now, their position was perilous.. But Wes Edens & Nassef Sawiris took over & are worth almost £7 Billion so whilst they not be on the Man City or Newcastle scale they're going to be more than competitive in the current inflated transfer market.. Be interesting to see how they do in the next season or so but out of the current batch of ex Eng Internationals trying their hand at managing, I think Gerrard is the one I'd want & has the most potential going forward. Its nice to see the new era of managers coming through rather than the old favourites keep getting recycled around as they do, ie Pardew, Allardice, Hodgson, Lambert etc..
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Post by callas12 on Nov 14, 2021 12:44:22 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players . He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising . I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like . Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ? He has not done a bad Job without one . Interestingly reference Smiths time at Brentford I've heard from a few angles (Brentford & Villa) that Brenford fans believe Thomas Frank was behind the Brentford upturn in fortunes in actuallygetting promotion & that he simply carried on the work he had been creating when Smith moved on to Villa. But that it was Frank who actually got them promoted as opposed to Smith who failed a few times. In a similar way to the way its been suggested that Craig Shakespeare was the brains behind Ranieri winning the Premier League Title with Leicester. Dean Smith losing John Terry & Richard O'Kelly a month or so back was the beginning of the end for his reign. Good recruitment is definitely a key factor, but an equally good No.2 is also a vital ingredient.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 14, 2021 12:57:23 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players . He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising . I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like . Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ? He has not done a bad Job without one . Interestingly reference Smiths time at Brentford I've heard from a few angles (Brentford & Villa) that Brenford fans believe Thomas Frank was behind the Brentford upturn in fortunes in actuallygetting promotion & that he simply carried on the work he had been creating when Smith moved on to Villa. But that it was Frank who actually got them promoted as opposed to Smith who failed a few times. In a similar way to the way its been suggested that Craig Shakespeare was the brains behind Ranieri winning the Premier League Title with Leicester. Dean Smith losing John Terry & Richard O'Kelly a month or so back was the beginning of the end for his reign. Good recruitment is definitely a key factor, but an equally good No.2 is also a vital ingredient. Spot on Terry and Okelly are the key here and the bridge to the players , everyone there will tell you Grealish was transformed by Terry , which suggests if nothing else as a future manager , Man management is a strength he might not have the polish or intellect of a Gerrard or Lampard but i fancy Terry is going the right away about building a very strong management platform
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 14, 2021 16:42:10 GMT
best of luck to Dean Smith massive job on trying to keep Norwich up but Prepared to try, unlike Frank Lampard who thinks he is to good for the likes of Norwich,not prepared to work is way up ,wants a top club without earning the right,
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Post by thevoid on Nov 14, 2021 18:33:04 GMT
Always had massive respect for Villa.Great club,love the ground,superb support.Great history,grew up watching football in the late 70's and it was Liverpool dominance in the league and Europe.So to see Villa(and Forest) break it up for a season or so was great.Recall the season winning the league they were going head to toe with Ipswich for months,then watching them winning the proper European cup with Peter Withe's goal.The Holte End swaying from side to side when Gary Shaw went clean through,Sid Cowans,Big Ken at the back,Jimmy Rimmer in goal,Denis Mortimer a class act in their midfield,Tony Morley down the wing.Their kits of the time,even their goal nets seemed better than any other ground's.Always had a soft spot for The Villa helped by my dislike of their neighbours. Don't know if Gerrard is a good appointment or not,feel sure though if they had the financial backing that Man City have had and Newcastle likely to get they would be far bigger than both clubs. I'm surprised no one's bought Villa with a view to super-sizing them, they could easily be as big as Chelsea or Citeh, based in one of the main cities in the country with a huge fan base. I did raise an eyebrow when Fosun bought Wolves instead of Villa as there's so much more potential with AV, but based on the last couple of seasons they basically want Wolves to be a shop window for Portuguese talent into England, rather than doing something special as a club.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 14, 2021 18:39:45 GMT
Always had massive respect for Villa.Great club,love the ground,superb support.Great history,grew up watching football in the late 70's and it was Liverpool dominance in the league and Europe.So to see Villa(and Forest) break it up for a season or so was great.Recall the season winning the league they were going head to toe with Ipswich for months,then watching them winning the proper European cup with Peter Withe's goal.The Holte End swaying from side to side when Gary Shaw went clean through,Sid Cowans,Big Ken at the back,Jimmy Rimmer in goal,Denis Mortimer a class act in their midfield,Tony Morley down the wing.Their kits of the time,even their goal nets seemed better than any other ground's.Always had a soft spot for The Villa helped by my dislike of their neighbours. Don't know if Gerrard is a good appointment or not,feel sure though if they had the financial backing that Man City have had and Newcastle likely to get they would be far bigger than both clubs. I'm surprised no one's bought Villa with a view to super-sizing them, they could easily be as big as Chelsea or Citeh, based in one of the main cities in the country with a huge fan base. I did raise an eyebrow when Fosun bought Wolves instead of Villa as there's so much more potential with AV, but based on the last couple of seasons they basically want Wolves to be a shop window for Portuguese talent into England, rather than doing something special as a club. Crazy... Especially when you consider they are owned by wealthier owners than Wolves according to various sources and Google.....5th richest in the prem, wolves owners a measley half billion behind or there abouts. Villa are potentially very well off, like us on the prem although you could argue the lack of ambition and risk with us cost us dearly (in the attempt to be 'self sustainable')
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Post by markby on Nov 14, 2021 23:19:41 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players . He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising . I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like . Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ? He has not done a bad Job without one . Smith, like Rosler and Warburtom before him, and Frank afterwards, took on the Brentford job and left them in much better shape by the time of his departure.
He then did the same with Villa - a good deal nearer the bottom of the Champiopnship than the top when he arrived, got them promoted, then established them in the PL. And sure, they've had a bad patch recently, but what does anyone expect? Straight to the title without a single mis-step?
Fact is, Villa's owners are thinking top six, maybe even top four and soon. And while there's nothing wrong with ambition, like many other owners who are chasing a target, they don't seem to realise that it's a moving target i.e. no matter how much they improve to get to the (current) level of L'pool, Chelsea and Man City etc, by the time they get there those clubs will likely have moved ahead, too. Meaning it's going to take time - maybe five years?
Now I happen to think Gerrard will be a good appointment, but in the end, he'll either improve them or he won't. If he does, he'll be off to an even bigger club beforethen (L'pool if/when Klopp leaves?), or he won't, in which case he'll get the sack and Villa will be looking for his replacement.
Imo it would have been wiser to wait another while to see whether Smith really had taken them as far as he could, in which case Gerrard would likely still have been available. Or if not, then some other (more established) manager could have been sought.
Otoh, Smith might have pulled them out of their present problems and they'd have avoided all the present instability.
All of which reminds me of the old adage that theres no problem in football which can't be solved by sacking a manager. Which is why Rochdale are Champions League winners, season-in, season-out.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 15, 2021 7:55:17 GMT
There is saying ( undoubtedly true ) that any manager is only has good as his players . He obviously found it easier to make Aston villa competitive in the prem , with Jack grealish than without him . That's hardly surprising . I suppose a twist on the old saying that any manager is only as good as is players is ...any manager is only as good as his recruitment department Dean Smith thrived alongside Brentford's excellent recruitment department , not so clever with villa's more ropey recruitment department Perhaps we should cut MoN more slack , stokes recruitment department is hardly Brentford like . Who knows what MoN would have achieved with top notch back up on the recruitment side ? He has not done a bad Job without one . Smith, like Rosler and Warburtom before him, and Frank afterwards, took on the Brentford job and left them in much better shape by the time of his departure. He then did the same with Villa - a good deal nearer the bottom of the Champiopnship than the top when he arrived, got them promoted, then established them in the PL. And sure, they've had a bad patch recently, but what does anyone expect? Straight to the title without a single mis-step? Fact is, Villa's owners are thinking top six, maybe even top four and soon. And while there's nothing wrong with ambition, like many other owners who are chasing a target, they don't seem to realise that it's a moving target i.e. no matter how much they improve to get to the (current) level of L'pool, Chelsea and Man City etc, by the time they get there those clubs will likely have moved ahead, too. Meaning it's going to take time - maybe five years?
Now I happen to think Gerrard will be a good appointment, but in the end, he'll either improve them or he won't. If he does, he'll be off to an even bigger club beforethen (L'pool if/when Klopp leaves?), or he won't, in which case he'll get the sack and Villa will be looking for his replacement. Imo it would have been wiser to wait another while to see whether Smith really had taken them as far as he could, in which case Gerrard would likely still have been available. Or if not, then some other (more established) manager could have been sought. Otoh, Smith might have pulled them out of their present problems and they'd have avoided all the present instability. All of which reminds me of the old adage that theres no problem in football which can't be solved by sacking a manager. Which is why Rochdale are Champions League winners, season-in, season-out.
The decision to sack him wasn't based on this one run of defeats though.
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