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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 8, 2022 19:50:15 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. Started opening his trap like Joe Hart and believing the bollocks that flowed out of it instead of quietly reflecting on his own shortcomings and working on improving, focusing on him and his own game and nothing else.
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Post by potter1989 on Jan 8, 2022 20:14:11 GMT
Isn’t this board all about opinions? I can say how I feel? Point me to the part of my post where I said you weren't entitled to an opinion? I was simply stating that my opinion is completely the opposite. Fair enough, 😂 I just don’t like him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 20:19:09 GMT
I wasn't one of them. Even at his best he wasn't as good as Pickford. Pickford still has that tendency to Palm shots back into play which I think stops him from being a real top keeper for me but certainly the best England have and a great keeper. I remember Butland being quite ropey in the Olympics. Certainly had a great spell for us but not that level. Pope a far better keeper. Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not a massive fan of Pickford, but he has had two really solid tournaments in goal for England now, so regardless of his faults I always rated him more than Butland, even when Jack wasn't playing like Barry Siddall gone wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 20:20:21 GMT
I wasn't one of them. Even at his best he wasn't as good as Pickford. I mean, Pickford has dropped many, many clangers in his time and doesn’t ever really look international class. At one point, they were pretty neck and neck, then Butland got injured and never found decent form again. I disagree mate. I think Pickford has looked every bit international class in the last two major tournaments that he's represented England.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 20:23:27 GMT
I mean, Pickford has dropped many, many clangers in his time and doesn’t ever really look international class. At one point, they were pretty neck and neck, then Butland got injured and never found decent form again. I disagree mate. I think Pickford has looked every bit international class in the last two major tournaments that he's represented England. I agree 100% international class. Just not that top fop top level for me Been picked up on MOTD etc that same fault but maybe nit picking.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 8, 2022 21:24:02 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. Started opening his trap like Joe Hart and believing the bollocks that flowed out of it instead of quietly reflecting on his own shortcomings and working on improving, focusing on him and his own game and nothing else. I just think he lost his confidence and hasn't really recovered since. Pickford still has that tendency to Palm shots back into play which I think stops him from being a real top keeper for me but certainly the best England have and a great keeper. I remember Butland being quite ropey in the Olympics. Certainly had a great spell for us but not that level. Pope a far better keeper. Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not a massive fan of Pickford, but he has had two really solid tournaments in goal for England now, so regardless of his faults I always rated him more than Butland, even when Jack wasn't playing like Barry Siddall gone wrong. I always feel like he has a mistake a match in him that might lead to a goal.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 21:27:33 GMT
Point me to the part of my post where I said you weren't entitled to an opinion? I was simply stating that my opinion is completely the opposite. Fair enough, 😂 I just don’t like him That's ok mate. He was poor for us in the last few years but I've got a lot of sympathy for him because it wasn't for the want of trying (perhaps he was trying too hard) and he did also seem as though he gave a shit unlike some of the mercenary fuckers we employed during the same time period.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 8, 2022 21:38:25 GMT
In all my years watching Banskie, I can only remember him ever making one mistake and it wasn’t really his fault. The opposition goalie kicked the ball all the way down the pitch and as Banks ran out to catch the it bounced on the penalty spot, which was rock hard due to the temperature, and bounced over his head into the net. I remember it like yesterday because I was in the old Bulter Street corner stand and had a bird’s eye view. He was the best and no goal keeper at Stoke has ever come close.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 8, 2022 23:35:07 GMT
Going on the piss with your mates is slightly different than getting drawn into the showbiz side, Pickford also seems better able to deal with mistakes never seem to worry him. I suspect Pickford deals with the mental side of things better because he is as thick as pigshit and doesn't have two braincells to rub together and so no thinking involved. Butland seems a reasonably intelligent lad and probably overthinks things. Pickford has 100% has had therapy to help him on his way. Butland just got caught up in his own hype, he was a very good keeper and at the time got a shot when there wasn't a great deal around.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 9, 2022 0:01:00 GMT
You really hate to see it, from such a talented and committed keeper to a poor Angus gunn tribute act, personally I think that the injury was bad timing as in he returned and the role of keeper changed, even more so now with less defenders about and more reliance on the keeper being good with the ball at feet. Today was a clanger and he seemed off the pace, but still I don't think throughout his career he was ever expected to go around two and then pass neatly forward.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 9, 2022 0:07:01 GMT
In all my years watching Banskie, I can only remember him ever making one mistake and it wasn’t really his fault. The opposition goalie kicked the ball all the way down the pitch and as Banks ran out to catch the it bounced on the penalty spot, which was rock hard due to the temperature, and bounced over his head into the net. I remember it like yesterday because I was in the old Bulter Street corner stand and had a bird’s eye view. He was the best and no goal keeper at Stoke has ever come close. That is hardly a surprise banks was another level, and in an era where we could have the best of the best, in reflection the team of the time should have done more.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 9, 2022 13:22:11 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. Started opening his trap like Joe Hart and believing the bollocks that flowed out of it instead of quietly reflecting on his own shortcomings and working on improving, focusing on him and his own game and nothing else. No he didn't. He was always very humble.
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Post by wrighter on Jan 9, 2022 13:23:28 GMT
Feel for Jack Before his injury he was good for us !!
Hate all this playing out from the back, when i played for Dorset schoolboys i was CH and was told " boot it upfield son "
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 9, 2022 13:32:36 GMT
Started opening his trap like Joe Hart and believing the bollocks that flowed out of it instead of quietly reflecting on his own shortcomings and working on improving, focusing on him and his own game and nothing else. No he didn't. He was always very humble. Opinions eh. I thought he was talking far too much off the pitch. Getting himself involved in controversial topics like our supporters conduct, when given his form he should have been really quiet and concentrating solely on recovering his form. If he needed to be talking to anyone it should have been himself.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 9, 2022 13:39:29 GMT
I suppose when you have an ego the size of his and are making mistakes like that and knowing you're now a league 1 keeper at best is gonna hurt and cause psychological issues for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2022 13:39:43 GMT
No he didn't. He was always very humble. Opinions eh. I thought he was talking far too much off the pitch. Getting himself involved in controversial topics like our supporters conduct, when given his form he should have been really quiet and concentrating solely on recovering his form. If he needed to be talking to anyone it should have been himself. He definitely was. Way too much talking and then more fuck ups and then seemingly blaming everyone else. Seemed a right arse in the last 4 years here.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 9, 2022 14:00:36 GMT
Feel for Jack Before his injury he was good for us !! Hate all this playing out from the back, when i played for Dorset schoolboys i was CH and was told " boot it upfield son " That was part of his demise, which started when Hughes moved to three at the back. Butland’s distribution was always poor even before his injury. It’s worth noting that Butland grew up playing rugby not football at school and is probably why he never developed his foot skills. He used to be brave coming out for crosses and diving at the feet of the opposing forwards, probably as a result of his experience playing rugby. Unfortunately he lost his confidence after his injury and all he had left was his excellent shot stopping ability. It’s still mystery why he was so poor at penalties.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 9, 2022 17:33:40 GMT
No he didn't. He was always very humble. Opinions eh. I thought he was talking far too much off the pitch. Getting himself involved in controversial topics like our supporters conduct, when given his form he should have been really quiet and concentrating solely on recovering his form. If he needed to be talking to anyone it should have been himself. Far too sensitive. For a guy that thought he was going to be a permanent top dog at Stoke and England's future number one, he showed lots of dignity and good grace. It must have been terrible to see your crumble in the way his did.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 9, 2022 17:50:36 GMT
thats why goalkeepers are goalkeepers they cant play outfield , when you were young or small and played ball , there was always one who was told to get in goals and thats how it starts
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Post by kaney78 on Jan 9, 2022 17:53:37 GMT
always seemed an alright bloke to me.was pleased to see him starting a game yesterday,gutted for him he made that mistake
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Post by kaney78 on Jan 9, 2022 17:56:11 GMT
always seemed an alright bloke to me.was pleased to see him starting a game yesterday,gutted for him he made that mistake.also nice to see bego getting a start as well for everton,he had a brilliant game,made some cracking saves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 17:56:53 GMT
I suppose when you have an ego the size of his and are making mistakes like that and knowing you're now a league 1 keeper at best is gonna hurt and cause psychological issues for him. How is he a league 1 keeper at best when playing for a Premier League team?
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 11, 2022 2:22:59 GMT
I suppose when you have an ego the size of his and are making mistakes like that and knowing you're now a league 1 keeper at best is gonna hurt and cause psychological issues for him. How is he a league 1 keeper at best when playing for a Premier League team? Amazing when somebody judges a player they haven't seen play in years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 2:51:31 GMT
How is he a league 1 keeper at best when playing for a Premier League team? Amazing when somebody judges a player they haven't seen play in years. About 4 days ago think you'll find. Not that amazing
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 11, 2022 7:42:58 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. Started opening his trap like Joe Hart and believing the bollocks that flowed out of it instead of quietly reflecting on his own shortcomings and working on improving, focusing on him and his own game and nothing else. Joe Hart is a good comparison. Lost his way, looked like he was fading out of the game. Signed for Celtic this year to a very sceptical support, but has rediscovered his verve and is playing very well. What made him a good keeper was till there. He just had to clear his head (and shoulders) to find it. Same could easily apply to Butland.
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Post by santy on Jan 11, 2022 11:55:37 GMT
In hindsight cashing in as soon as we went down would've been better for us and him, but its difficult to ever truly know the genuine interest. He probably could still take a chance and try to reinvigorate his career but its a huge risk when for goalkeepers there is that relatively comfortable being a 2nd/3rd choice for PL teams until your late 30's. He's English which means like Richard Wright, Stuart Taylor, Lee Grant etc there's a 10+ year career ahead of him earning good money if he just keeps himself in shape, doesn't rock the boat etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:00:02 GMT
Credit to MoN for finally dropping him and not picking him on reputation like those before him .
At one point Lee grant ( a very sound keeper ) was dropped for no other reason than Butland was back from injury , and wanted to play .
This despite the fact that Lee grant was in the form of his life ( think we went to old Trafford and he played like superman ) and we were fighting for premier League survival at the time .
Why on earth would you drop a keeper in the form of his life , when you are fighting for premier League survival and replace him with calamity Butland ?
Lord knows ? But it did us no favours , at a critical time
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 11, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
In all my years watching Banskie, I can only remember him ever making one mistake and it wasn’t really his fault. The opposition goalie kicked the ball all the way down the pitch and as Banks ran out to catch the it bounced on the penalty spot, which was rock hard due to the temperature, and bounced over his head into the net. I remember it like yesterday because I was in the old Bulter Street corner stand and had a bird’s eye view. He was the best and no goal keeper at Stoke has ever come close. That is hardly a surprise banks was another level, and in an era where we could have the best of the best, in reflection the team of the time should have done more. In my time we’ve had some really decent keepers. Apart from Banksie ……O’Neill, Leslie, Farmer, Shilton, Fox, Simonsen, Sorensen, Begovic, Butland (until his injury), Grant, Bursik (hopefully). Add to this some short term signings who made their mark….Corrigan, De Goey, Crossley. Plus some ones to forget Irvine, McManus, Siddall, Haugaard. There’s probably some I’ve missed in each category.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 11, 2022 18:59:19 GMT
That is hardly a surprise banks was another level, and in an era where we could have the best of the best, in reflection the team of the time should have done more. In my time we’ve had some really decent keepers. Apart from Banksie ……O’Neill, Leslie, Farmer, Shilton, Fox, Simonsen, Sorensen, Begovic, Butland (until his injury), Grant, Bursik (hopefully). Add to this some short term signings who made their mark….Corrigan, De Goey, Crossley. Plus some ones to forget Irvine, McManus, Siddall, Haugaard. There’s probably some I’ve missed in each category. Yes, for a club with only one major trophy to our name, we have had an unusally high number of fine goalkeepers.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 11, 2022 19:09:16 GMT
Amazing when somebody judges a player they haven't seen play in years. About 4 days ago think you'll find. Not that amazing Where?
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