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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:28:37 GMT
I remember the days when we were all moaning he should be England’s number 1 instead of Pickford lol No I remember some
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 8, 2022 14:52:24 GMT
Completely agree. Always said positive things about the club, was always committed and you can tell he had genuine affection for the club and the fans. He was obviously ambitious and wanted to be England's number one and, although he never said it publicly, he'll presumably have had big career ambitions too and would have been eyeing up a move to a bigger club at the peak of his career no doubt. And as I've said earlier, being cut off with that unfortunate injury at such a crucial point of his career when it seemed like he was just about to take off and go to the next level may have contributed to the mental demons which have clearly plagued him ever since. But publicly at least, you can tell that he cared whenever he wore the shirt and his mistakes and poor form were absolutely crushing him, it wasn't through lack of care or effort. I really wish him well and hope he can one day recover some form but the demons seem well and truly set in and I don't think he'll ever get past it. He's always going to be a few games away from an absolute howler. He needs to be playing regularly, a lower league club surely would be interested. Of course finances would need to be sorted realistically If all is to be believed, some of the “trouble makers” at the club have a lot to answer for I'm not sure even that would sort him. He played regularly and was our number one throughout 2017/18,2018/19 and 2019/20 apart from a few small patches when he got dropped. He got regular game time and given plenty of opportunities to recover from mistakes. It's not like he was dropped every time, it would take 3 or 4 massive howlers before he got dropped and even then he was usually back quickly. Regular game time and allowing him to play his way back into form after mistakes didn't work. The short, sharp shock treatment of dropping him to shake any complacency didn't work either. And it looks like a fresh start at a new club with a more positive dressing room atmosphere hasn't worked. For me, he looks a lost cause.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 8, 2022 14:52:36 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know.
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Post by masterpotter on Jan 8, 2022 14:59:12 GMT
A real shame as he was good on his day and a great ambassador for the club. However in all my years I have never seen a keeper so poor at saving penalties and I think this was in his head.
For those mocking him, I really hope he sorts himself out but I don’t think he will do that on a bench every week.
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Post by potter1989 on Jan 8, 2022 15:08:55 GMT
Get back on the bench where he belongs, biggest shit house going, so far up his own arse it’s a unbelievable! Thinks he’s so much better than he is! Bang average
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 15:18:43 GMT
Get back on the bench where he belongs, biggest shit house going, so far up his own arse it’s a unbelievable! Thinks he’s so much better than he is! Bang average Take it you know him personally then?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 8, 2022 15:19:16 GMT
Get back on the bench where he belongs, biggest shit house going, so far up his own arse it’s a unbelievable! Thinks he’s so much better than he is! Bang average He’s never really looked overconfident to me. If anything, it’s a lack of confidence that is making him so poor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 15:20:37 GMT
I remember the days when we were all moaning he should be England’s number 1 instead of Pickford lol No I remember some I wasn't one of them. Even at his best he wasn't as good as Pickford.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 8, 2022 15:28:00 GMT
I wasn't one of them. Even at his best he wasn't as good as Pickford. I mean, Pickford has dropped many, many clangers in his time and doesn’t ever really look international class. At one point, they were pretty neck and neck, then Butland got injured and never found decent form again.
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Post by onionman on Jan 8, 2022 15:50:49 GMT
He needs to be playing regularly, a lower league club surely would be interested. Of course finances would need to be sorted realistically If all is to be believed, some of the “trouble makers” at the club have a lot to answer for I'm not sure even that would sort him. He played regularly and was our number one throughout 2017/18,2018/19 and 2019/20 apart from a few small patches when he got dropped. He got regular game time and given plenty of opportunities to recover from mistakes. It's not like he was dropped every time, it would take 3 or 4 massive howlers before he got dropped and even then he was usually back quickly. Regular game time and allowing him to play his way back into form after mistakes didn't work. The short, sharp shock treatment of dropping him to shake any complacency didn't work either. And it looks like a fresh start at a new club with a more positive dressing room atmosphere hasn't worked. For me, he looks a lost cause. 3 or 4 massive howlers? It was about 3 or 4 thousand massive howlers before any of our managers had the courage to drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:02:01 GMT
I wasn't one of them. Even at his best he wasn't as good as Pickford. Pickford still has that tendency to Palm shots back into play which I think stops him from being a real top keeper for me but certainly the best England have and a great keeper. I remember Butland being quite ropey in the Olympics. Certainly had a great spell for us but not that level. Pope a far better keeper.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2022 16:33:20 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. The injury was some of it I'm sure, having done similar even now 4-5 years afterwards I am still wary putting that foot down but I don't think its all down to that, around that time he also traded his student girlfriend for his current partner who is an air stewardess, might just be coincidence but they seemed to be alot more talk of being England No 1 and playing in the champions league, vaguely remember a newspaper article about some party or something with Bellend Piers too, maybe he just took his eyes off the dayjob ball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:36:12 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. The injury was some of it I'm sure, having done similar even now 4-5 years afterwards I am still wary putting that foot down but I don't think its all down to that, around that time he also traded his student girlfriend for his current partner who is an air stewardess, might just be coincidence but they seemed to be alot more talk of being England No 1 and playing in the champions league, vaguely remember a newspaper article about some party or something with Bellend Piers too, maybe he just took his eyes off the dayjob ball. Pickford was pictured/filmed many times out on the town. Simply a better keeper
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2022 17:37:06 GMT
Big shame to see what's happened to him. Was a very promising prospect at one time. I'd love to know what's gone wrong. Easy to blame the injury but we'll never know. His head seemed to go to me. I was surprised he got away with the stuff he’d do to the crowd with shushing and arguing when we were giving them stick when they were being awful and it was all warranted as well. I still think we were light on them when we were relegated. Mentally he was fucked and he was one of the biggest reasons for relegation imo. It’s why I wanted him and Allen gone above all. Mentally gone, making mistake after mistake and acting like he was playing like Gordon Banks to top it off.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 8, 2022 17:43:29 GMT
Butland pre and post Injury are two different players, too many people confuse this. Pre injury one of the best keepers in the league and Country, after ....well best leave it at that.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 8, 2022 17:50:17 GMT
Butland was poor in our relegation season but so were Shawcross and Pieters which a lot of people seem to forget.Mame Birame Diouf couldn't bit a barn door that last season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 8, 2022 17:51:16 GMT
Butland pre and post Injury are two different players, too many people confuse this. Pre injury one of the best keepers in the league and Country, after ....well best leave it at that. I think it’s as simple as that. He had 2-3 seasons of being a great keeper and then after his injury he was poor and made lots of mistakes and let in goals that were saveable. It seemed for some that he was beyond criticism / blame which is commendable but i agree with Bayern he was a big part of why we went down. If he was as good as he was in his first couple of seasons we would have stayed up.
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Post by potter1989 on Jan 8, 2022 18:23:31 GMT
Get back on the bench where he belongs, biggest shit house going, so far up his own arse it’s a unbelievable! Thinks he’s so much better than he is! Bang average Take it you know him personally then? No I don’t, but he’s always come across as arrogant and always thought he was better than us! That’s the way I see it anyway,
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Post by wrighter on Jan 8, 2022 18:35:31 GMT
Cant believe all the accolades for Pickford !!
sorry, i think he"s bloody awful
Pope /Henderson are far better, even Foster
just my opinion like
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 18:37:47 GMT
Butland pre and post Injury are two different players, too many people confuse this. Pre injury one of the best keepers in the league and Country, after ....well best leave it at that. I think it’s as simple as that. He had 2-3 seasons of being a great keeper and then after his injury he was poor and made lots of mistakes and let in goals that were saveable. It seemed for some that he was beyond criticism / blame which is commendable but i agree with Bayern he was a big part of why we went down. If he was as good as he was in his first couple of seasons we would have stayed up. He wasn't a big part of why we went down. He was simply a part of the reason along with the vast majority of the players, staff and owners.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 18:40:28 GMT
Take it you know him personally then? No I don’t, but he’s always come across as arrogant and always thought he was better than us! That’s the way I see it anyway, And strangely, completely the opposite to the way I thought he came across.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 8, 2022 18:53:21 GMT
Probably the only way Adobe would score! It’s because Adobe is a Pro Acrobat, he Is an Illustrator of how the game should be played, which gives the AfterEffects of a Premier Pro
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Post by potter1989 on Jan 8, 2022 18:55:35 GMT
No I don’t, but he’s always come across as arrogant and always thought he was better than us! That’s the way I see it anyway, And strangely, completely the opposite to the way I thought he came across. Isn’t this board all about opinions? I can say how I feel?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 19:02:36 GMT
And strangely, completely the opposite to the way I thought he came across. Isn’t this board all about opinions? I can say how I feel? Point me to the part of my post where I said you weren't entitled to an opinion? I was simply stating that my opinion is completely the opposite.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 8, 2022 19:08:12 GMT
Several goalkeepers have left Stoke to find reasonable success elsewhere. Ben Foster when he was at West Brom would be a good example, and Daniel Bachmann, now in the first team at Watford, might be another.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2022 19:17:45 GMT
Several goalkeepers have left Stoke to find reasonable success elsewhere. Ben Foster when he was at West Brom would be a good example, and Daniel Bachmann, now in the first team at Watford, might be another. Both are dodgy as fook and I wouldn’t either here now.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2022 19:26:49 GMT
The injury was some of it I'm sure, having done similar even now 4-5 years afterwards I am still wary putting that foot down but I don't think its all down to that, around that time he also traded his student girlfriend for his current partner who is an air stewardess, might just be coincidence but they seemed to be alot more talk of being England No 1 and playing in the champions league, vaguely remember a newspaper article about some party or something with Bellend Piers too, maybe he just took his eyes off the dayjob ball. Pickford was pictured/filmed many times out on the town. Simply a better keeper Going on the piss with your mates is slightly different than getting drawn into the showbiz side, Pickford also seems better able to deal with mistakes never seem to worry him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 19:37:51 GMT
Pickford was pictured/filmed many times out on the town. Simply a better keeper Going on the piss with your mates is slightly different than getting drawn into the showbiz side, Pickford also seems better able to deal with mistakes never seem to worry him. Exactly how was Butland drawn into showbiz side? My wife an air hostess. What's your point? Are air hostesses showbiz? Please show us the proof
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 19:43:39 GMT
Pickford was pictured/filmed many times out on the town. Simply a better keeper Going on the piss with your mates is slightly different than getting drawn into the showbiz side, Pickford also seems better able to deal with mistakes never seem to worry him. I suspect Pickford deals with the mental side of things better because he is as thick as pigshit and doesn't have two braincells to rub together and so no thinking involved. Butland seems a reasonably intelligent lad and probably overthinks things.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 8, 2022 19:44:45 GMT
I'm not sure even that would sort him. He played regularly and was our number one throughout 2017/18,2018/19 and 2019/20 apart from a few small patches when he got dropped. He got regular game time and given plenty of opportunities to recover from mistakes. It's not like he was dropped every time, it would take 3 or 4 massive howlers before he got dropped and even then he was usually back quickly. Regular game time and allowing him to play his way back into form after mistakes didn't work. The short, sharp shock treatment of dropping him to shake any complacency didn't work either. And it looks like a fresh start at a new club with a more positive dressing room atmosphere hasn't worked. For me, he looks a lost cause. 3 or 4 massive howlers? It was about 3 or 4 thousand massive howlers before any of our managers had the courage to drop him. I was being kind. He was awful unfortunately after his injury. I'd love to hear his opinions at the end of his career over what went wrong. I imagine we'll probably never know.
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