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Post by Goonie on Jan 8, 2022 13:10:15 GMT
Probably the only way Adobe would score!
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joll1
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Post by joll1 on Jan 8, 2022 13:13:11 GMT
Absolute howler, five games in 18 mths and he does that - can’t see him getting another start at Palace. Afobe…
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 8, 2022 13:13:29 GMT
Oh dear, the obsession with keepers passing the ball is a puzzling thing. Clearly doesn't work unless they are very decisive and someone low on confidence like Jack is only going to create problems if required* to make a snap decision.
* I assume they're instructed to play like this?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 8, 2022 13:14:37 GMT
I've not seen it. Someone get it up on here so I can have a laugh
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2022 13:16:24 GMT
Oh dear, the obsession with keepers passing the ball is a puzzling thing. Clearly doesn't work unless they are very decisive and someone low on confidence like Jack is only going to create problems if required* to make a snap decision. * I assume they're instructed to play like this? It can be a very valuable thing as the likes of Ederson have shown. If your keeper can’t do it though it’s ludicrous to ask them to try.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:16:26 GMT
I wonder how his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany.
He was destined for a big club until that.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Jan 8, 2022 13:17:45 GMT
I wonder has his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany. He was destined for a big club until that. Was never the same after that. He cost us numerous games.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 8, 2022 13:18:23 GMT
What doesnt help Jack is that both of his feet are for standing only. 😏
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 8, 2022 13:19:37 GMT
I wonder has his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany. He was destined for a big club until that. It was not only a really bad injury but the timing was simply horrible as well. He was playing brilliantly, he'd pretty much established himself as England no1 then it all fell apart for him. Mentally it must be tough to take.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 8, 2022 13:20:22 GMT
Yes, a Shakespearian tragedy has now become a Shakespearian comedy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:22:28 GMT
I've not seen it. Someone get it up on here so I can have a laugh Nice one mate 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 8, 2022 13:23:29 GMT
What doesnt help Jack is that both of his feet are for standing only. 😏 He actually strikes the ball brilliantly with both feet. He should have just cleared his lines before or after his 1st touch. As soon as he took a 2nd touch, he killed himself. It was unnecessary risk from a keeper who actually has 2 good feet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:26:47 GMT
Not that I claim to have the best memory, but I swear in our first season back in this god forsaken league I can remember thinking a lot of times “thank fuck we’ve got Jack otherwise this season could be far nastier than it is”. His true drop off for us was the disastrous 2nd season, that’s when these errors became expectation. I take no joy in it whatsoever, I think he was a great ambassador for the club, especially when Banks passed away.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 8, 2022 13:27:31 GMT
What doesnt help Jack is that both of his feet are for standing only. 😏 He actually strikes the ball brilliantly with both feet. He should have just cleared his lines before or after his 1st touch. As soon as he took a 2nd touch, he killed himself. It was unnecessary risk from a keeper who actually has 2 good feet. Well he didn't do himself any favours there mate. He had the touch of Japanese axe murderer with that second touch as you pointed out. Probably lack of game time and confidence are affecting him. He needs a loan.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jan 8, 2022 13:28:10 GMT
Ouch. You hate to see it.
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Post by logdog on Jan 8, 2022 13:28:12 GMT
I wonder has his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany. He was destined for a big club until that. It was not only a really bad injury but the timing was simply horrible as well. He was playing brilliantly, he'd pretty much established himself as England no1 then it all fell apart for him. Mentally it must be tough to take. You’re right, Dave. Doesn’t matter how much talent you have or how skillful you are. When you’re playing at the highest levels so much of it is a mental thing. ‘What is going on between your ears’, as the cliche goes. He looks mentally shot. What happened here was some time ago now & you wonder if he’s ever going to get over it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 13:29:25 GMT
What doesnt help Jack is that both of his feet are for standing only. 😏 He actually strikes the ball brilliantly with both feet. He should have just cleared his lines before or after his 1st touch. As soon as he took a 2nd touch, he killed himself. It was unnecessary risk from a keeper who actually has 2 good feet. It’s not his feet that are the problem mate it’s his head unfortunately.
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Post by billybadger on Jan 8, 2022 13:42:17 GMT
I remember the days when we were all moaning he should be England’s number 1 instead of Pickford lol
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 8, 2022 13:49:59 GMT
I wonder how his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany. He was destined for a big club until that. He'd have probably left us that summer for a top 6 club had he not got injured. It's hard to believe just how good he was when we've seen how shit he's been for us since his injury and now for Palace too. It's obviously mostly a mental thing, something snapped in that time out injured. Maybe the bitterness of knowing that he'd missed out on a big move - maybe his agent already had something big lined up which fell through because of his injury? Could it be that Stoke were on the up and in a strong position prior to his injury, but after his return we were a sinking ship with toxic dressing room influences brought in and it was hard for him to adapt to the negative environment and the struggles when the last time he was playing everything was on the up and up? Has the injury played on his mind and made him adapt his technique and decision making to accommodate it, to the detriment of his general goalkeeping? Will be interesting to see if he can offer an explanation after he retires because it's certainly one of the most puzzling declines of recent history.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 8, 2022 13:51:33 GMT
You see this now at all the levels of football. Messing about at the back in the penalty area.
I put it down to delusion. Keane is absolutely right, just because Man City and Barcelona players can do this it doesn't mean someone in lower levels of English football can do it.
I see goalkeepers and defenders cocking up like this in non-league. It's embarrassing but they are asking for it.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2022 13:52:21 GMT
Great shame to see the decline of someone who was a very talented player.
Regrettably the medical profession contributed to his decline by his extended layoff due to failure to diagnose his foot fracture.
I will always be grateful to Jack for scoring the winning penalty goal at Leeds in the ELC. A great night, when we shut the Leeds fans up, when they were taunting "England's number 1" when he messed up a clearance and they equalised.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 8, 2022 13:53:38 GMT
I remember the days when we were all moaning he should be England’s number 1 instead of Pickford lol He had the potential, definitely. But football and life doesn't stand still. Things change and you have to respond in the right way when they do. Football is as much in the mind as it is in the body. Seen it so many times with footballers.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2022 14:00:39 GMT
I wonder how his career would have panned out if he never got injured in that game against Germany. He was destined for a big club until that. He'd have probably left us that summer for a top 6 club had he not got injured. It's hard to believe just how good he was when we've seen how shit he's been for us since his injury and now for Palace too. It's obviously mostly a mental thing, something snapped in that time out injured. Maybe the bitterness of knowing that he'd missed out on a big move - maybe his agent already had something big lined up which fell through because of his injury? Could it be that Stoke were on the up and in a strong position prior to his injury, but after his return we were a sinking ship with toxic dressing room influences brought in and it was hard for him to adapt to the negative environment and the struggles when the last time he was playing everything was on the up and up? Has the injury played on his mind and made him adapt his technique and decision making to accommodate it, to the detriment of his general goalkeeping? Will be interesting to see if he can offer an explanation after he retires because it's certainly one of the most puzzling declines of recent history. Good post. I think it is the case in all sports that you cannot drop out from the top level for an extended period and get back to the same level. It's the same with athletes, golfers, tennis players, etc. I can only think of Federa who managed to get back to top level after a long time out.
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Post by bigvern on Jan 8, 2022 14:02:02 GMT
Even though his form cost us numerous points in our relegation season I find it hard to dislike him. He seems to be a decent, honest lad.
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2022 14:03:59 GMT
Unfortunately Palace have equalised.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 8, 2022 14:15:56 GMT
Even though his form cost us numerous points in our relegation season I find it hard to dislike him. He seems to be a decent, honest lad. Completely agree. Always said positive things about the club, was always committed and you can tell he had genuine affection for the club and the fans. He was obviously ambitious and wanted to be England's number one and, although he never said it publicly, he'll presumably have had big career ambitions too and would have been eyeing up a move to a bigger club at the peak of his career no doubt. And as I've said earlier, being cut off with that unfortunate injury at such a crucial point of his career when it seemed like he was just about to take off and go to the next level may have contributed to the mental demons which have clearly plagued him ever since. But publicly at least, you can tell that he cared whenever he wore the shirt and his mistakes and poor form were absolutely crushing him, it wasn't through lack of care or effort. I really wish him well and hope he can one day recover some form but the demons seem well and truly set in and I don't think he'll ever get past it. He's always going to be a few games away from an absolute howler.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 8, 2022 14:19:09 GMT
Shame really - he must only be on about £25k per week now. Who wants to be a millionaire
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Post by jeycov on Jan 8, 2022 14:20:18 GMT
Even though his form cost us numerous points in our relegation season I find it hard to dislike him. He seems to be a decent, honest lad. Completely agree. Always said positive things about the club, was always committed and you can tell he had genuine affection for the club and the fans. He was obviously ambitious and wanted to be England's number one and, although he never said it publicly, he'll presumably have had big career ambitions too and would have been eyeing up a move to a bigger club at the peak of his career no doubt. And as I've said earlier, being cut off with that unfortunate injury at such a crucial point of his career when it seemed like he was just about to take off and go to the next level may have contributed to the mental demons which have clearly plagued him ever since. But publicly at least, you can tell that he cared whenever he wore the shirt and his mistakes and poor form were absolutely crushing him, it wasn't through lack of care or effort. I really wish him well and hope he can one day recover some form but the demons seem well and truly set in and I don't think he'll ever get past it. He's always going to be a few games away from an absolute howler. He needs to be playing regularly, a lower league club surely would be interested. Of course finances would need to be sorted realistically If all is to be believed, some of the “trouble makers” at the club have a lot to answer for
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2022 14:22:25 GMT
I remember the days when we were all moaning he should be England’s number 1 instead of Pickford lol It was true. At the time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2022 14:22:46 GMT
He was so lucky a PL club took him when they did.
I have no idea why anyone above League One would take him.
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