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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 11, 2021 7:16:12 GMT
In the space of a year he’s gone from being written off as a tall gangly thing that was awkward and can’t defend to a top 4-6 PL club 20m defender. 😂 If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2021 7:17:07 GMT
In the space of a year he’s gone from being written off as a tall gangly think that was awkward and can’t defend to a top 4-6 PL club 20m defender. 😂 It was only a year ago he wasn’t good enough for Championship football or our defence with a stunning line-up of Batth, Chester, a crocked Ryan and Lindsay. It's a remarkable turnaround. It is but the truth of course lies somewhere in between.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2021 7:18:17 GMT
In the space of a year he’s gone from being written off as a tall gangly thing that was awkward and can’t defend to a top 4-6 PL club 20m defender. 😂 If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 11, 2021 7:23:11 GMT
In the space of a year he’s gone from being written off as a tall gangly thing that was awkward and can’t defend to a top 4-6 PL club 20m defender. 😂 If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I don't think Collins is ready to be a first choice for Burnley either. Certainly worth a place in the match day squad but I think it will be next season or later before he is ready to be first choice. That isn't to say I don't like him but he is still rough round the edges (he can still lose his rag easily) which is only to be expected for such a young defender. Trouble is that, had we kept him, we wouldn't have had the cash to do the clear out of so much deadwood or buy Surridge so it suited us to let Collins go. The same can't be said of Souttar - the FFP pressures appear to have eased and it is probably in our interests and Souttar's interest for him to stay with us this season and reassess the situation next summer.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 11, 2021 7:23:15 GMT
If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least. Dont be sorry, it's okay. I think Souttar is more important to us than Collins would've been, just my reason to why I'd want more money.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 11, 2021 7:32:21 GMT
I don’t think he would have played lastnite if he would have been leaving
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 11, 2021 7:37:00 GMT
In the space of a year he’s gone from being written off as a tall gangly thing that was awkward and can’t defend to a top 4-6 PL club 20m defender. 😂 If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I agree general. When I heard a few whispers on hear yesterday 1 said to my son 20mil Don’t care what anyone says he will play in prem in a few years. He’s young and come on loads in space of 12 months
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 11, 2021 8:14:11 GMT
Maguire esk springs to mind. Leicester didn’t collapse when they sold him. Th3 key is a good replacement in the wings. Ostigard?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 11, 2021 8:21:15 GMT
Maguire esk springs to mind. Leicester didn’t collapse when they sold him. Th3 key is a good replacement in the wings. Ostigard? This is my thinking as well. Ostigard on loan for a season whilst we nurture Harry and then next summer we cash in on Harry and hopefully Ostigard will have proved himself as a capable Harry replacement and we have the cash to buy him.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 11, 2021 8:23:33 GMT
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Aug 11, 2021 8:25:10 GMT
I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least. Dont be sorry, it's okay. I think Souttar is more important to us than Collins would've been, just my reason to why I'd want more money. I personally thought Collins was vastly overrated.
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Post by moon on Aug 11, 2021 8:32:46 GMT
If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least. Collins is better technically and more versatile, Souttar was the better and more important player for us last season though - perhaps Collins would've been had he played at CB for the full season.
Assuming he stays fit Souttar should play the majority of games for us this season and hopefully chip in with 5+ goals from corners, I think Collins moved a year too soon and I can't see him becoming a first choice CB for Burnley this season but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong.
If Souttar has a good season for us then he could be worth more than Collins next summer, hopefully he stays with us for the next few years anyway - he needs more experience before he is ready to play in the Premier League and perhaps he can achieve that with Stoke in a few years.
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Post by yyy on Aug 11, 2021 8:35:32 GMT
Won't be surprised at all to see a sizeable bid come in I the last few days of the window.
If we can keep him though he's going to get goals this season with Vrancic on corners isn't he
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2021 8:38:43 GMT
Not been even a hint of any interest in him for a while now
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 11, 2021 8:39:59 GMT
That's good, full season ahead fully focused on the job in hand then with us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2021 8:41:20 GMT
I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least. Collins is better technically and more versatile, Souttar was the better and more important player for us last season though - perhaps Collins would've been had he played at CB for the full season. Assuming he stays fit Souttar should play the majority of games for us this season and hopefully chip in with 5+ goals from corners, I think Collins moved a year too soon and I can't see him becoming a first choice CB for Burnley this season but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong. If Souttar has a good season for us then he could be worth more than Collins next summer, hopefully he stays with us for the next few years anyway - he needs more experience before he is ready to play in the Premier League and perhaps he can achieve that with Stoke in a few years.
Maybe but the Spurs and Spain games are the ones that would worry me if I was watching him for a decent PL side. I don’t think for one second he’s good enough for a top 6 side tbh. But he could do well at a middle of the road club possibly. But he needs to learn more and play more and develop the side of his game that imo made him struggle against that next level of opponent. 15-20m just seems far fetched for me what he is. And it sounds like I’m having a right downer on him. I’m not. I think he’s great for us and was advocating playing him sooner. But as much as I think people were underrating him, people are now overrating him. I think ideally he’d be the captain over Allen though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 11, 2021 8:43:40 GMT
If Collins is £15m then Souttar is £20m. I don't even think he's ready for the Premier League either. I disagree sorry. Collins is better at every aspect of being a centre back. Souttar is a good Championship defender and should if he’s got any sense stay with us for the next 18 months at least. Souttar's distribution is head and shoulders above Collins' at this point......
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Post by liathroid on Aug 11, 2021 10:37:59 GMT
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Post by crowey on Aug 11, 2021 10:49:51 GMT
… gotta love his Aussie accent (my father grew up in Dundee by the way.) My daughter thought he was Irish. Hopeless with accents are the Aussies
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Post by nott1 on Aug 11, 2021 14:07:04 GMT
I’m also not sure that anything Pejic says on local radio will have any bearing on what potential suitors might be thinking! I'd be surprised if what Pejic says in his own household has much bearing to be fair. He needs teleporting back to the 70's I'd love to witness you telling him that!
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Post by Sfance on Aug 11, 2021 14:18:52 GMT
It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that we’ll go up with Harry and Burnley will come down with Collins. Harry offers a lot more than Collins and he’s going to score a hatful this season - for Stoke.
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Post by hardcastle on Aug 11, 2021 18:47:27 GMT
All this talk of Harry being sold this summer for big money makes no sense.
Firstly he'll surely be worth a darn sight more in twelve months time (only the desperate would sell an appreciating asset),
secondly, the Collins sale appears to have got us out of the FFP hole we were in - otherwise we couldn't have been shelling out fees for Wilmott and Surridge
and, thirdly, come next summer, all those ill-conceived 20K a week contracts will have been moved on (or brutally pared down) leaving us in a position to hold on to our better players and make the odd shrewd addition. FFP allows the club to spend around £13 million a year more than its income. A lot of our Championship rivals can't afford to do this, but we can.
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 11, 2021 18:55:25 GMT
All this talk of Harry being sold this summer for big money makes no sense. Firstly he'll surely be worth a darn sight more in twelve months time (only the desperate would sell an appreciating asset), secondly, the Collins sale appears to have got us out of the FFP hole we were in - otherwise we couldn't have been shelling out fees for Wilmott and Surridge and, thirdly, come next summer, all those ill-conceived 20K a week contracts will have been moved on (or brutally pared down) leaving us in a position to hold on to our better players and make the odd shrewd addition. FFP allows the club to spend around £13 million a year more than its income. A lot of our Championship rivals can't afford to do this, but we can. Firstly, he could well be an appreciating asset for the next 7/8 years. It’s not as simple as a small club like us to not sell a player because they will be worth more in 12 months. We don’t hold always hold the power. Secondly, the Collins sale got us some breathing room which has largely been used to to finance the writing off of contracts from the bomb squad. Hence why we’ve been able to get rid of so many players. Coupling this up with the fact we’ve made a few decent signings, we’re very much not out of the FFP hole and it’s far more likely that we are back to penny pinching again. I’d like to think no club would pay what we’d want for him this season and fairly confident he’ll be here, mind.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 11, 2021 19:01:19 GMT
Collins is better technically and more versatile, Souttar was the better and more important player for us last season though - perhaps Collins would've been had he played at CB for the full season. Assuming he stays fit Souttar should play the majority of games for us this season and hopefully chip in with 5+ goals from corners, I think Collins moved a year too soon and I can't see him becoming a first choice CB for Burnley this season but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong. If Souttar has a good season for us then he could be worth more than Collins next summer, hopefully he stays with us for the next few years anyway - he needs more experience before he is ready to play in the Premier League and perhaps he can achieve that with Stoke in a few years.
Maybe but the Spurs and Spain games are the ones that would worry me if I was watching him for a decent PL side. I don’t think for one second he’s good enough for a top 6 side tbh. But he could do well at a middle of the road club possibly. But he needs to learn more and play more and develop the side of his game that imo made him struggle against that next level of opponent. 15-20m just seems far fetched for me what he is. And it sounds like I’m having a right downer on him. I’m not. I think he’s great for us and was advocating playing him sooner. But as much as I think people were underrating him, people are now overrating him. I think ideally he’d be the captain over Allen though. I wanted him as captain last season but I wonder if the slight risk of him leaving is why he wasn't appointed this year? He's obviously up there in the conversation on the basis of last night..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
I'd be surprised if what Pejic says in his own household has much bearing to be fair. He needs teleporting back to the 70's I'd love to witness you telling him that!
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Post by terrybovril on Aug 11, 2021 19:24:01 GMT
Good player.
Not ready for the Prem yet though, and not as developed as Collins is.
His ceiling may ultimately lie with the fact he is slow. He tends to get caught out as a result, and his reading of the game doesn't make up for it.
There have been world class centre backs that have been pretty slow - here to be proved wrong!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 11, 2021 19:28:56 GMT
It’s not an original thought but I cling to the hope Harry is the next Ryan and he takes us on the same upward trajectory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 19:36:08 GMT
I'd love to witness you telling him that! And what? Don't see your point. I do see him every home game to be fair.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 11, 2021 19:48:59 GMT
Good player. Not ready for the Prem yet though, and not as developed as Collins is. His ceiling may ultimately lie with the fact he is slow. He tends to get caught out as a result, and his reading of the game doesn't make up for it. There have been world class centre backs that have been pretty slow - here to be proved wrong! Not as developed as Collins ?? What utter nonsense.
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Post by Ron on Aug 11, 2021 19:55:36 GMT
Did his job last night against a very very poor side.
He’s good- but he has his faults- pace can be an issue and he is easily turned.
He also gave the ball away several times last night by playing low balls into strikers feet, at considerable pace, when they were surrounded by defenders and a poor option.
That could be due to a complete lack of movement and options mind- but still - I’m sure he would not have taken such risks in a game that meant anything.
Let’s not make hes Nesta on acid eh.
I really like him- but he’s not premier league material just yet- I think he will be though.
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