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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 22:43:26 GMT
Or an ideology written by a rank hypocrite living off the spoils of his extremely wealthy mate that provided the template for communism which was pretty effective in killing tens of millions world wide. Not that good really. That's precisely what is written on his tombstone in Highgate Cemetery! p.s. Capitalism has killed way more. I've been to his tombstone and didn't see what I have just written. And on what basis has capitalism killed more? Interested to hear how you've worked that one out.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 8, 2021 22:50:23 GMT
A profound and powerful message and I don't think anyone could doubt the sincerity of Southgate's intentions to galvanise the country ahead of the competition. Similarly his condemnation of the racist abuse of players online (or off for that matter) is heartfelt and reflective of the opinions of 99.99% of all decent citizens (not just football fans) who find it abhorrent, disgusting and unacceptable in every way shape or form. There is a "but" for me though. The ongoing "taking the knee" gesture that was borne out of the raw emotion generated across the globe by a single, highly violent and controversial incident in the cesspit that is the US, has departed from that initial demonstration of outrage and is clearly (and ironically) starting to divide those who see it as having now metamorphisised to a more political, agenda-driven vehicle far removed from those original simple intentions of utter condemnation. Indeed, it had great impact and was very successful in creating a reaction and for the perpetrators, swift and some might say pretty brutal justice, but I fear for where this is now leading - are we / they saying that it's going to continue in perpetuity? - could it? should it? Are all Euro teams left to decide whether they do or don't TTK, what happens if some do and some don't? - will they be booed - who will be booing who and who will have their cards marked on & off the pitch if they do / don't? What happens next season in the Prem, EFL and beyonds ad infenitum....... It seems that the continual pushing of line that if you don't support TTK or express any alernate viewpoint or outward signs of disagreement that each and every match needs to incorporte the ritual then "you are by definition a racist" I fear for the future of the game. If Les Ferdinand can see that it's run it's course and had it's impact then why can't other moderate people in the game ? A single incident? George Floyd was one of many, many such incidents. Otherwise, I kind of agree. I personally don’t think that it accomplishes much apart from keeping racism in the National conversation. I don’t really see why people care if others do/don’t do it to be honest. Understood Matt but it was this single incident that launched the issue into the stratosphere and the catalyst for numerous acts of expression of outrage, some more virtuous than others but initially most ordinary, moderate folk were rightly appalled. The point was well made and football made a clear statement here in the UK (not sure what the uptake of similar actions was elsewhere in Europe though?) - anyhow, we need an end-game to avoid this becoming a weeping sore of contention at every game and continue with the excellent community stuff most clubs get involved with that would include positive “kick it out” messages being delivered in practice rather than what is actually a pretty empty gesture now as it’s followed up by nothing tangible as far as I can tell. Although the UK isn’t perfect by any means, we are more diverse, welcoming, tolerant and open minded than all other western democracies and it hasn’t come about by accident - in all the kerfuffle we sometimes fail to recognise the progress that has been made in this country since the 70s.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jun 8, 2021 23:23:54 GMT
I don't like it BECAUSE it gets up people's noses. I never said that. If taking the knee gets up Boris Johnson's nose, that's a bonus! As I said, racists have had a pretty easy time of it in the UK and a lot of well intentioned initiatives haven't really helped much because a significant minority of British people are confirmed racists. Taking the knee is black sportsmen (with the support of their non black colleagues) expressing their disgust at the way many in their community have been unfairly treated over many many years by some of the public and some of institutions of this country. Maybe one day that discrimination will stop - I do hope so. No, taking the knee was African American sportsmen expressing their disgust at the way they have been treated. America, where there was a need for a civil rights movement in the 60s because of how backwards that country was. Racial discrimination is and has been illegal in this country for a long long time, we have been a civil society for a very long period of time. You know full well there are much less divisive ways of the UK dealing with this but seem to have jumped on the doomed to fail bandwagon of doubling down to "teach these racists a lesson". It'll end in disaster but it really doesn't have to if we come up with something else rather than this knee bending group think. So racial discrimination doesn't occur in this country because it's been "illegal" for a "long long time". What are the much less divisive ways of dealing with racism you suggest are well known? What is wrong with teaching racists a lesson? They need teaching. You aren't born a racist. I know this full well. I was brought up in Stoke, and it surrounded me from my parents and the community. The moment I left, eyes opened. People are the fucking same. What is your suggestion of "something else" rather than the knee bending group as you like to call them.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 8, 2021 23:42:52 GMT
No, taking the knee was African American sportsmen expressing their disgust at the way they have been treated. America, where there was a need for a civil rights movement in the 60s because of how backwards that country was. Racial discrimination is and has been illegal in this country for a long long time, we have been a civil society for a very long period of time. You know full well there are much less divisive ways of the UK dealing with this but seem to have jumped on the doomed to fail bandwagon of doubling down to "teach these racists a lesson". It'll end in disaster but it really doesn't have to if we come up with something else rather than this knee bending group think. So racial discrimination doesn't occur in this country because it's been "illegal" for a "long long time". What are the much less divisive ways of dealing with racism you suggest are well known? What is wrong with teaching racists a lesson? They need teaching. You aren't born a racist. I know this full well. I was brought up in Stoke, and it surrounded me from my parents and the community. The moment I left, eyes opened. People are the fucking same. What is your suggestion of "something else" rather than the knee bending group as you like to call them. What we need is some sort of well-supported, well-funded, highly successful, visible, decades-long campaign to rid the game of racism - to “kick it out”, if you will. Pity nobody’s thought of it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 23:49:49 GMT
A single incident? George Floyd was one of many, many such incidents. Otherwise, I kind of agree. I personally don’t think that it accomplishes much apart from keeping racism in the National conversation. I don’t really see why people care if others do/don’t do it to be honest. Understood Matt but it was this single incident that launched the issue into the stratosphere and the catalyst for numerous acts of expression of outrage, some more virtuous than others but initially most ordinary, moderate folk were rightly appalled. The point was well made and football made a clear statement here in the UK (not sure what the uptake of similar actions was elsewhere in Europe though?) - anyhow, we need an end-game to avoid this becoming a weeping sore of contention at every game and continue with the excellent community stuff most clubs get involved with that would include positive “kick it out” messages being delivered in practice rather than what is actually a pretty empty gesture now as it’s followed up by nothing tangible as far as I can tell. Although the UK isn’t perfect by any means, we are more diverse, welcoming, tolerant and open minded than all other western democracies and it hasn’t come about by accident - in all the kerfuffle we sometimes fail to recognise the progress that has been made in this country since the 70s. I think that George Floyd’s death did lead to more awareness in the U.K., but taking the knee has been a hugely contentious issue in the US for a number of years. Overall, it hasn’t led to much. I would also disagree that the U.K. is the most diverse of western countries. It doesn’t have a shade on the US there. I do think that the last point is very reasonable however. My concern being that “look how far we come” shouldn’t be a conclusion. People should be proud of progress, but equality should still be continued to be strived for. I do feel that the take the knee stance in the U.K. feels a bit disingenuous now. But it’s impossible to know if that’s really my feeling, or just a general feeling I’ve absorbed through general conversation/media coverage. In my opinion, solidarity on issues is great, but without focussing on how to address racial disparities, it’s not impactful. The stance did well to create a narrative, but a narrative is not enough. Now things actually have to change.
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Post by pottermost on Jun 9, 2021 0:13:55 GMT
What we need is a critical evaluation of the intricacies of the Marxist dialectic vis a vi this hegemonic interpellation of the sphere of national and international sporting activities followed up by a good old fashioned purge. Fun fact - during the 1960's structuralism was so fashionable in France the French national coach claimed to be organising his squad around structuralist principles - much like it was with our Tone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 0:29:22 GMT
So racial discrimination doesn't occur in this country because it's been "illegal" for a "long long time". What are the much less divisive ways of dealing with racism you suggest are well known? What is wrong with teaching racists a lesson? They need teaching. You aren't born a racist. I know this full well. I was brought up in Stoke, and it surrounded me from my parents and the community. The moment I left, eyes opened. People are the fucking same. What is your suggestion of "something else" rather than the knee bending group as you like to call them. What we need is some sort of well-supported, well-funded, highly successful, visible, decades-long campaign to rid the game of racism - to “kick it out”, if you will. Pity nobody’s thought of it yet. "well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from the decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2021 0:50:42 GMT
Good article by Southo. Thing is it touches on several things, like a leaders keynote speech at a party conference. But the only point of discussion is the take the knee bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 1:04:49 GMT
What we need is some sort of well-supported, well-funded, highly successful, visible, decades-long campaign to rid the game of racism - to “kick it out”, if you will. Pity nobody’s thought of it yet. "well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from sthe decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"? Is it just black people who suffer racial abuse? What about Asians, Jews, Travellers or Eastern Europeans? Do we just focus on discrimination faced by black footballers because theres so many of them and so few from other minorities? Should the rainbow laces campaign just be about lesbians because there's a lot of them in football but virtually no gay men. Any initiative has to focus on everyone not just one group but we now have black lives matter replacing kick it out - it's all in the name.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2021 1:13:37 GMT
What we need is some sort of well-supported, well-funded, highly successful, visible, decades-long campaign to rid the game of racism - to “kick it out”, if you will. Pity nobody’s thought of it yet. "well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from the decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"? Well I’d say you’re a member of society with an opinion on an important issue that affects us all. Don’t be hectored by divisive ideologues into believing you don’t have a right to express it because of the colour of your skin.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2021 1:46:55 GMT
What we need is some sort of well-supported, well-funded, highly successful, visible, decades-long campaign to rid the game of racism - to “kick it out”, if you will. Pity nobody’s thought of it yet. "well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from the decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"? Well you haven't experienced it but you can relate to it through empathy. Empathy and the capacity to reason separates humans from animals. White people can be offended by racism as heterosexual people can be offended by homophobia.
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Post by s7oke on Jun 9, 2021 4:07:11 GMT
Only thing is he will probably put people through more heartache and misery due to his crap selections and England’s ability to bottle it Hope I’m wrong But everything that is wrong with football is due to greed society and people not giving a fuck The taking the knee thing how many of the team actually know what it means Not many I’m sure Most of them don’t give a shit about the fans You are meant to play for pride for your country Football is lost it really is Now go on and prove me wrong you bunch of overpaid tossers 😁 Just don't see those kind of characters in the squad, who would you say is someone who doesn't give a fuck? I think they are proud every one. There are no terry butchers gazzas or Stewart Pearce type players No beckhams Scholes Ferdinands Players who would go that extra bit or play through injuries It’s only my opinion but I think international football has lost some of its identity along the way for one reason or another If they do care they don’t show it the vast majority of them anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 6:00:57 GMT
"I have a responsibility to the wider community to use my voice, and so do the players.
It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate."
Sorry Gareth , that's rubbish , if you think you do , that's your business but it's not your job to go round telling your players that they have to interact with the public on matters such as equality , inclusivity and racial injustice .
What if they don't want inclusivity and want to live in a big house in alderly edge with swimming pools and jacuzzis and live a life most of the population will never enjoy
He should stop patronising his players , stop patronising English people in general and focus on football matters that are not easy ...such as ...comming up with a plan to compete against the likes of Portugal , who have brilliant defenders ( Ruben Diaz) , brilliant midfielders ( Bruno Fernandez) and brilliant attackers ( Christiano Ronaldo) .
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 9, 2021 6:25:08 GMT
Don't believe in what? What is it, taking the knee? Sorry I haven’t got the time or will to explain, research yourself. It’s virtual signalling. If you believe in taking knee fair enough your views are respected. I disagree. I wonder if there will be any significant political statements by the players during the World Cup in Qatar? Repeat…. I must be a white privileged racist. I would suggest you should do your research as you clearly haven’t.The statement by the players on the Kick It Out website is a good place to start. The position is clear. It is a non-political gesture not linked to any other movement but the England players protesting against the racism they and others face. That is not virtue signalling it is a message against behaviour like the 70 abusive tweets Marcus Rashford received after the ECL final. Who knows about Qatar? But the Norwegian team are already taking a stance. Some of the views above that Kick It out is working beggar belief - check out what the leadership of that organisation (Sanjay Bhandari and Troy Townsend) or read their last annual report - racism in English football is getting worse both in the elite game and grassroots. Hiding behind virtue signalling is not the way to help.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2021 6:39:52 GMT
Isn’t it about time that the multi millionaire superstars take a lesson from the US (for once) and dig deep rather than just twit it or kneel. Start some foundations and get out in the communities more. The NFL are brilliant at it. I’m sure that there’s exceptions over here but when you have so much money what’s wrong with investing it to help others and even more important investing time. This is brilliant and really does make a difference. www.nfl.com/honors/man-of-the-year/It’s good for the soul mucking in and helping your fellow man rather than just making some big political gesture for 10 seconds before every game. Can you imagine the impact Foden would have turning up at youth clubs on a regular basis would have and just spending time with a few of the youngsters. They could have such a positive impact.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 9, 2021 6:51:48 GMT
The whole thing is one big subliminal message to get people to buy wallcharts.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2021 7:01:35 GMT
Isn’t it about time that the multi millionaire superstars take a lesson from the US (for once) and dig deep rather than just twit it or kneel. Start some foundations and get out in the communities more. The NFL are brilliant at it. I’m sure that there’s exceptions over here but when you have so much money what’s wrong with investing it to help others and even more important investing time. This is brilliant and really does make a difference. www.nfl.com/honors/man-of-the-year/It’s good for the soul mucking in and helping your fellow man rather than just making some big political gesture for 10 seconds before every game. Can you imagine the impact Foden would have turning up at youth clubs on a regular basis would have and just spending time with a few of the youngsters. They could have such a positive impact. Loads of them do precisely that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2021 7:04:28 GMT
I don’t get what’s so hard about supporting an anti racism gesture.
It’s very odd.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2021 7:08:33 GMT
Isn’t it about time that the multi millionaire superstars take a lesson from the US (for once) and dig deep rather than just twit it or kneel. Start some foundations and get out in the communities more. The NFL are brilliant at it. I’m sure that there’s exceptions over here but when you have so much money what’s wrong with investing it to help others and even more important investing time. This is brilliant and really does make a difference. www.nfl.com/honors/man-of-the-year/It’s good for the soul mucking in and helping your fellow man rather than just making some big political gesture for 10 seconds before every game. Can you imagine the impact Foden would have turning up at youth clubs on a regular basis would have and just spending time with a few of the youngsters. They could have such a positive impact. Loads of them do precisely that. Then why isn’t it pushed more in the media? There’s nothing like some positive news. Can you ping me out some examples over as I’m looking to push some community based work out locally and it would be nice to use them. Ive contacted local teams before down here and they have some brilliant staff that work in the community but generally when asked about players attending they say they won’t get involved.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 9, 2021 7:13:25 GMT
Southgate on his players ... "It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate" Why ? And for years I thought it was their duty to win football matches and entertain us, turns out I was wrong Do you really think that taking the knee and trying to win a football match playing entertaining football are mutually exclusive? And do you think that taking the knee for 10 seconds before a game makes it harder to win a football match? For the record we should ALL be trying to raise awareness of the problems of racism, poverty etc. etc. I suppose you think Rashford should stick to football and stop pressing the government to ensure the children of poor families are properly fed during the school holidays and have access to books just as rich kids do?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2021 7:24:04 GMT
Loads of them do precisely that. Then why isn’t it pushed more in the media? There’s nothing like some positive news. Can you ping me out some examples over as I’m looking to push some community based work out locally and it would be nice to use them. Ive contacted local teams before down here and they have some brilliant staff that work in the community but generally when asked about players attending they say they won’t get involved. Because it doesn't sell as well as scandal. Rashford's work with FareShare Sterling has done loads of work in the last few years, from his efforts to save Brent community centre, working as an ambassador for a police charity in Manchester, and working on various projects here and in Jamaica. He's working to launch his own foundation. Kane's work with Noah's Ark and Players Together Henderson was the driving force behind Players Together and the efforts for the NHS during the pandemic Maguire and his work setting up food package networks for the elderly in Manchester. It takes a few seconds' googling to find more examples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 7:39:06 GMT
"well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from sthe decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"? Is it just black people who suffer racial abuse? What about Asians, Jews, Travellers or Eastern Europeans? Do we just focus on discrimination faced by black footballers because theres so many of them and so few from other minorities? Should the rainbow laces campaign just be about lesbians because there's a lot of them in football but virtually no gay men. Any initiative has to focus on everyone not just one group but we now have black lives matter replacing kick it out - it's all in the name. Show me a message or a gesture or a reminder or whatever about preventing anti-semitism or anti-asian-ism or traveller-bashing or whatever it might be and I'm there. I'll even manage to not boo it. All I'm saying is that as a white guy in England, I'm not the guy who is suffering from this, so rather than run around telling everyone how it should be done, I'm going to sit down and shut up and try and listen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 9, 2021 7:43:48 GMT
linkHope the above link works - quite an entertaining read from today's paper. Warning - may upset both racists and Marxists!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 8:06:15 GMT
I don’t get what’s so hard about supporting an anti racism gesture. It’s very odd. Kick it out was an anti racism gesture and was pretty much universally supported . According to themselves , "Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people." That's not the same thing as an anti racism gesture . Unsurprisingly every opinion poll in America , shows that support for BLM is stronger amongst black people , than Hispanics and white people in America Well I never ! How could this be ! Why do the Hispanics and whites associate Less with a movement for black people than black people ? A message that speaks for everyone such as kick it out , at the end of the day , will have a more universal appeal than one that doesn't such as BLM
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2021 8:08:20 GMT
I don’t get what’s so hard about supporting an anti racism gesture. It’s very odd. Kick it out was an anti racism gesture and was pretty much universally supported . According to themselves , "Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people." That's not the same thing as an anti racism gesture . Unsurprisingly every opinion poll in America , shows that support for BLM is stronger amongst black people , than Hispanics and white people in America Well I never ! How could this be ! Why do the Hispanics and whites associate Less with a movement for black people than black people ? A message that speaks for everyone such as kick it out , at the end of the day , will have a more universal appeal than one that doesn't such as BLM I mean, ignoring the fact that the players themselves have openly distanced themselves from the movement and have stated it's not anything to do with that, which bit of the stated aim of the movement in your quote do you have a problem with?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 9, 2021 8:14:51 GMT
Sorry I haven’t got the time or will to explain, research yourself. It’s virtual signalling. If you believe in taking knee fair enough your views are respected. I disagree. I wonder if there will be any significant political statements by the players during the World Cup in Qatar? Repeat…. I must be a white privileged racist. I would suggest you should do your research as you clearly haven’t.The statement by the players on the Kick It Out website is a good place to start. The position is clear. It is a non-political gesture not linked to any other movement but the England players protesting against the racism they and others face. That is not virtue signalling it is a message against behaviour like the 70 abusive tweets Marcus Rashford received after the ECL final. Who knows about Qatar? But the Norwegian team are already taking a stance. Some of the views above that Kick It out is working beggar belief - check out what the leadership of that organisation (Sanjay Bhandari and Troy Townsend) or read their last annual report - racism in English football is getting worse both in the elite game and grassroots. Hiding behind virtue signalling is not the way to help. Who are renowned for being the instigators of “taking the knee”, when did “taking the knee” become prominent in the U.K.? and by supporters of which organisation?
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Post by flea79 on Jun 9, 2021 8:26:23 GMT
"well-supported, well-funded... visible, decades-long": Nothing to disagree with there. "Highly successful" is not as certain. A number of players (including Rio, Lescott, Jason Roberts and Micah Richards) have publicly protested or objected to what they saw as Kick It Out's ineffectiveness. I'm a fifty year old white guy. I've never had any racism directed at me on a sports field. If people who HAVE suffered abuse decide to try something different from sthe decades-long previous campaign, who the hell am I to tell them "what we need"? Is it just black people who suffer racial abuse? What about Asians, Jews, Travellers or Eastern Europeans? Do we just focus on discrimination faced by black footballers because theres so many of them and so few from other minorities? Should the rainbow laces campaign just be about lesbians because there's a lot of them in football but virtually no gay men. Any initiative has to focus on everyone not just one group but we now have black lives matter replacing kick it out - it's all in the name. my main issue with the knee is thats for a singular issue that sprouted from one incident in America, if it was used as a general symbol to show solidarity with all groups and to look forwards to a peaceful world that would be fine but its not
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Post by femark on Jun 9, 2021 8:26:57 GMT
As with everything in life and politics, it isn't as black and white as "If you take the knee you're Marxist" or "If you boo you're racist". There is a spectrum of various reasons for each expression.
Are all those who boo taking the knee racist? No. Are some of them? Yes.
Just from the comments on this board it is clear that there are varying viewpoints:
- Some are clearly racist - Some believe it has run its course - Some believe it to be symbolic with a Marxist ideology - Some don't agree with the mixing of football and politics - Some feel there is an agenda and people are being pressured into it - Some feel it is a pointless gesture - Some are sick of the wider discussion on removing statues etc and feel disillusioned with it all.
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Post by phileetin on Jun 9, 2021 8:27:30 GMT
The whole thing is one big subliminal message to get people to buy wallcharts. i downloaded one on the daily express site yesterday. i pinned it to the wall , knee height facing east , so that i could tick two boxes at once.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 9, 2021 8:28:44 GMT
Then why isn’t it pushed more in the media? There’s nothing like some positive news. Can you ping me out some examples over as I’m looking to push some community based work out locally and it would be nice to use them. Ive contacted local teams before down here and they have some brilliant staff that work in the community but generally when asked about players attending they say they won’t get involved. Because it doesn't sell as well as scandal. Rashford's work with FareShare Sterling has done loads of work in the last few years, from his efforts to save Bret community centre, working as an ambassador for a police charity in Manchester, and working on various projects here and in Jamaica. He's working to launch his own foundation. Kane's work with Noah's Ark and Players Together Henderson was the driving force behind Players Together and the efforts for the NHS during the pandemic Maguire and his work setting up food package networks for the elderly in Manchester. It takes a few seconds' googling to find more examples. Brilliant cheers. Rashford is a brilliant example of what can be done and the only one to receive proper exposure though I am aware of Sterling’s work. Regardless of the media not wanting to push it I’m surprised the FA don’t do more. The NFL have the Walter Payton award to recognise great work in the community making the award something to strive for For me winning that award would be a far bigger accolade than a medal for a final. I’m not saying players do it for the recognition but having that recognition surely helps them develop more sponsors and funding. I still feel more could be done though as I have a feeling that those mentioned are still very much a minority.
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