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Post by skip on Jun 8, 2021 16:19:49 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2021 16:47:42 GMT
'I see players scrolling on their phones straight after the final whistle and I think … Hmmm, is that a particularly good idea?'
he's not wrong is he (?)
edit: agree with everything he has said
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 8, 2021 17:36:53 GMT
A profound and powerful message and I don't think anyone could doubt the sincerity of Southgate's intentions to galvanise the country ahead of the competition. Similarly his condemnation of the racist abuse of players online (or off for that matter) is heartfelt and reflective of the opinions of 99.99% of all decent citizens (not just football fans) who find it abhorrent, disgusting and unacceptable in every way shape or form.
There is a "but" for me though. The ongoing "taking the knee" gesture that was borne out of the raw emotion generated across the globe by a single, highly violent and controversial incident in the cesspit that is the US, has departed from that initial demonstration of outrage and is clearly (and ironically) starting to divide those who see it as having now metamorphisised to a more political, agenda-driven vehicle far removed from those original simple intentions of utter condemnation.
Indeed, it had great impact and was very successful in creating a reaction and for the perpetrators, swift and some might say pretty brutal justice, but I fear for where this is now leading - are we / they saying that it's going to continue in perpetuity? - could it? should it? Are all Euro teams left to decide whether they do or don't TTK, what happens if some do and some don't? - will they be booed - who will be booing who and who will have their cards marked on & off the pitch if they do / don't? What happens next season in the Prem, EFL and beyonds ad infenitum.......
It seems that the continual pushing of line that if you don't support TTK or express any alernate viewpoint or outward signs of disagreement that each and every match needs to incorporte the ritual then "you are by definition a racist" I fear for the future of the game.
If Les Ferdinand can see that it's run it's course and had it's impact then why can't other moderate people in the game ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 8, 2021 17:48:19 GMT
A profound and powerful message and I don't think anyone could doubt the sincerity of Southgate's intentions to galvanise the country ahead of the competition. Similarly his condemnation of the racist abuse of players online (or off for that matter) is heartfelt and reflective of the opinions of 99.99% of all decent citizens (not just football fans) who find it abhorrent, disgusting and unacceptable in every way shape or form. There is a "but" for me though. The ongoing "taking the knee" gesture that was borne out of the raw emotion generated across the globe by a single, highly violent and controversial incident in the cesspit that is the US, has departed from that initial demonstration of outrage and is clearly (and ironically) starting to divide those who see it as having now metamorphisised to a more political, agenda-driven vehicle far removed from those original simple intentions of utter condemnation. Indeed, it had great impact and was very successful in creating a reaction and for the perpetrators, swift and some might say pretty brutal justice, but I fear for where this is now leading - are we / they saying that it's going to continue in perpetuity? - could it? should it? Are all Euro teams left to decide whether they do or don't TTK, what happens if some do and some don't? - will they be booed - who will be booing who and who will have their cards marked on & off the pitch if they do / don't? What happens next season in the Prem, EFL and beyonds ad infenitum....... It seems that the continual pushing of line that if you don't support TTK or express any alernate viewpoint or outward signs of disagreement that each and every match needs to incorporte the ritual then "you are by definition a racist" I fear for the future of the game. If Les Ferdinand can see that it's run it's course and had it's impact then why can't other moderate people in the game ? Perhaps because Les Ferdinand does not represent the majority opinion amongst moderate people in English football? I'm not saying Ferdinand is wrong or that those who take the knee are right - just pointing out that people do have differing opinions even when they are basically on the same side. That's why I personally think booing taking the knee is wrong. It should be possible for a sportsman to express an honestly held opinion without being booed for it - I wouldn't dream of booing Les Ferdinand because he happens to have a different opinion on making a stand against racism than I do.. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 8, 2021 17:56:25 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism
They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 8, 2021 18:04:05 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo Are they showing support for Black Lives matter? Taking the knee started in American Football as a stand against racism by one or two players. The action was later adopted by Black Lives Matter. But that doesn't mean that taking the knee automatically means support of Black Lives Matter. I've always liked the George Cross. I liked it years before the BNP and other far right organisations decided they liked it. If I now wave a George Cross during the Euros, it doesn't mean I am in any way supporting any of the far right organisations who have since adopted it. I'm well to the left of centre - but I'll be buggered if I am going to give up liking a flag just because some right wing nutters also like it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2021 18:06:11 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman
And the players seem to like him too.
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Post by s7oke on Jun 8, 2021 18:17:45 GMT
'I see players scrolling on their phones straight after the final whistle and I think … Hmmm, is that a particularly good idea?' he's not wrong is he (?) edit: agree with everything he has said Only thing is he will probably put people through more heartache and misery due to his crap selections and England’s ability to bottle it Hope I’m wrong But everything that is wrong with football is due to greed society and people not giving a fuck The taking the knee thing how many of the team actually know what it means Not many I’m sure Most of them don’t give a shit about the fans You are meant to play for pride for your country Football is lost it really is Now go on and prove me wrong you bunch of overpaid tossers 😁 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2021 18:18:19 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman And the players seem to like him too. Agree I’d prefer a decent manager though🤔 |
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 8, 2021 18:18:30 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman And the players seem to like him too. He's not being paid for "standing up for decency and being a statesman", he's a football coach. Leave the politics to the politicians. |
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Post by walton corner on Jun 8, 2021 18:28:08 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman And the players seem to like him too. He’s a yes man and a muppet |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 18:30:05 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman And the players seem to like him too. He's not being paid for "standing up for decency and being a statesman", he's a football coach. Leave the politics to the politicians. Did you actually read what he wrote? Which bits of that specifically would you take issue with? And being an international manager does involve a degree of statesmanship. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 18:46:04 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo Would you still boo if the players said they weren't taking the knee for BLM but were doing it because it is internationally recognized as a gesture in support for racial equality? would you still boo then? |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 18:47:47 GMT
No matter what you think of him as a coach, he's got the off-the-field bit of the game absolutely nailed, in terms of standing up for decency and being a statesman And the players seem to like him too. He's not being paid for "standing up for decency and being a statesman", he's a football coach. Leave the politics to the politicians. 🤣 Football is politics. This strand of thought is the latest one adopted by the knuckle draggers to justify racism I suppose |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2021 18:51:57 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo Would you still boo if the players said they weren't taking the knee for BLM but were doing it because it is internationally recognized as a gesture in support for racial equality? would you still boo then? I don’t think Waga would boo anything, once again the big brush is out tarring everyone who has a different opinion to the woke brigade. Have you not read the thread? |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 18:56:20 GMT
Would you still boo if the players said they weren't taking the knee for BLM but were doing it because it is internationally recognized as a gesture in support for racial equality? would you still boo then? I don’t think Waga would boo anything, once again the big brush is out tarring everyone who has a different opinion to the woke brigade. Have you not read the thread? It's an argument which is totally senseless and is being universally used by people who are insulted by a harmless gesture in favor of something that just cannot be argued against. As if those idiots booing have a clue what Marxism is about. Jesus Christ. You boo that, it's simple, you're racist Of course I've read the thread And I've asked him if HE would boo. I'm sure he can answer. I'm sure as a decent person he WOULDN'T boo |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2021 18:58:34 GMT
Is the booing, booing of the players or showing displeasure of the taking the knee?
The Kick it out campaign has been (is) a success. Why take the knee?
Personally I will not “boo” if SCFC continue to take knee, I’ll simply turn my back during it as I don’t believe in it. Perhaps I’m a white privileged racist.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2021 18:59:54 GMT
I don’t think Waga would boo anything, once again the big brush is out tarring everyone who has a different opinion to the woke brigade. Have you not read the thread? It's an argument which is totally senseless and is being universally used by people who are insulted by a harmless gesture in favor of something that just cannot be argued against. As if those idiots booing have a clue what Marxism is about. Jesus Christ. You boo that, it's simple, you're racist Of course I've read the thread And I've asked him if HE would boo. I'm sure he can answer. I'm sure as a decent person he WOULDN'T boo Single minded claptrap |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 19:00:22 GMT
Is the booing, booing of the players or showing displeasure of the taking the knee? The Kick it out campaign has been (is) a success. Why take the knee? Personally I will not “boo” if SCFC continue to take knee, I’ll simply turn my back during it as I don’t believe in it. Perhaps I’m a white privileged racist. Don't believe in what? What is it, taking the knee? |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 19:00:50 GMT
It's an argument which is totally senseless and is being universally used by people who are insulted by a harmless gesture in favor of something that just cannot be argued against. As if those idiots booing have a clue what Marxism is about. Jesus Christ. You boo that, it's simple, you're racist Of course I've read the thread And I've asked him if HE would boo. I'm sure he can answer. I'm sure as a decent person he WOULDN'T boo Single minded claptrap Yeah right |
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2021 19:02:57 GMT
'I see players scrolling on their phones straight after the final whistle and I think … Hmmm, is that a particularly good idea?' he's not wrong is he (?) edit: agree with everything he has said Only thing is he will probably put people through more heartache and misery due to his crap selections and England’s ability to bottle it Hope I’m wrong But everything that is wrong with football is due to greed society and people not giving a fuck The taking the knee thing how many of the team actually know what it means Not many I’m sure Most of them don’t give a shit about the fans You are meant to play for pride for your country Football is lost it really is Now go on and prove me wrong you bunch of overpaid tossers 😁 Just don't see those kind of characters in the squad, who would you say is someone who doesn't give a fuck? I think they are proud every one. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 8, 2021 19:03:38 GMT
Southgate is fantastically articulate, a deep thinker and someone who cares for all of his players. Worth adding this article too 👇 www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/12325525/gareth-southgate-says-england-squad-are-totally-united-in-continuing-to-take-a-knee-at-euro-2020For the hard of thinking, or those who have fell into the well set strap by some of our more unsavoury public figures that article above explains clearly why taking the knee doesn't mean Harry Kane is a deep-state Marxist, or how Raheem Sterling has read Das Kapital as his bedtime story or even how Phil Foden believes in de-funding the police. Unfortunately, there will be plenty of mindless idiots in the stands and the boo's will give way to a chorus of applause. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2021 19:03:55 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo I don't think that is right, but even if we assume it is, they really need to a bit of very basic research before they commit themselves to booing something which they are fundamentally misunderstanding. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2021 19:06:53 GMT
Is the booing, booing of the players or showing displeasure of the taking the knee? The Kick it out campaign has been (is) a success. Why take the knee? Personally I will not “boo” if SCFC continue to take knee, I’ll simply turn my back during it as I don’t believe in it. Perhaps I’m a white privileged racist. You can call yourself what you want, that's your right, but if these players thought Kick It Out had been a success they would not be doing it. It's really that simple. The booing simply proves these players are right to think it has not worked. Total lack of respect for these players and what they contribute to the game. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2021 19:08:05 GMT
Is the booing, booing of the players or showing displeasure of the taking the knee? The Kick it out campaign has been (is) a success. Why take the knee? Personally I will not “boo” if SCFC continue to take knee, I’ll simply turn my back during it as I don’t believe in it. Perhaps I’m a white privileged racist. Don't believe in what? What is it, taking the knee? Sorry I haven’t got the time or will to explain, research yourself. It’s virtual signalling. If you believe in taking knee fair enough your views are respected. I disagree. I wonder if there will be any significant political statements by the players during the World Cup in Qatar? Repeat…. I must be a white privileged racist. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 8, 2021 19:10:12 GMT
People aren’t booing players for making a stand against racism They are booing players that they believe are showing support for a racist Marxist organisation who want to subjugate the very people who are being asked not to boo Would you still boo if the players said they weren't taking the knee for BLM but were doing it because it is internationally recognized as a gesture in support for racial equality? would you still boo then? I wouldn’t boo them in the first place As I have far better things than to waste what little oxygen I can inhale on them I was merely pointing out I can fully understand why people feel the need to boo what they see as a political gesture Maybe if those footballers who are wishing to kneel against racism could come out with a statement condemning the racist attitude of Black Lives Matter movement than people may find no need to boo Or they could simply say no to any form of racism which I’m sure everyone on this board could agree on |
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 8, 2021 19:10:57 GMT
He's not being paid for "standing up for decency and being a statesman", he's a football coach. Leave the politics to the politicians. Did you actually read what he wrote? Which bits of that specifically would you take issue with? And being an international manager does involve a degree of statesmanship. I take issue with the whole of it. It is a total PR exercise, nothing else, written not by Southgate but someone else; coordinated by the FA, who are worried about the booing of the knee. I find the whole of it quite sickening, we're playing a football tournament, not goingn to war. But, despite all the changes in modern football, what cannot be questioned about the current generation of England players is their pride in representing this country.
This idea that some players don’t know what it means to play for England — or don’t care — has become something of a false narrative.
You don’t need to dig deep to realise that. Yeah, like Foden and Mason trying to smuggle two whores into their hotel in Iceland last September? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2021 19:13:20 GMT
Did you actually read what he wrote? Which bits of that specifically would you take issue with? And being an international manager does involve a degree of statesmanship. I take issue with the whole of it. It is a total PR exercise, nothing else, written not by Southgate but someone else; coordinated by the FA, who are worried about the booing of the knee. I find the whole of it quite sickening, we're playing a football tournament, not goingn to war. But, despite all the changes in modern football, what cannot be questioned about the current generation of England players is their pride in representing this country.
This idea that some players don’t know what it means to play for England — or don’t care — has become something of a false narrative.
You don’t need to dig deep to realise that. Yeah, like Foden and Mason trying to smuggle two whores into their hotel in Iceland last September? Yep, quickly brushed under the carpet wasn’t it |
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Post by sportsman on Jun 8, 2021 19:13:30 GMT
Is the booing, booing of the players or showing displeasure of the taking the knee? The Kick it out campaign has been (is) a success. Why take the knee? Personally I will not “boo” if SCFC continue to take knee, I’ll simply turn my back during it as I don’t believe in it. Perhaps I’m a white privileged racist. You can call yourself what you want, that's your right, but if these players thought Kick It Out had been a success they would not be doing it. It's really that simple. The booing simply proves these players are right to think it has not worked. Total lack of respect for these players and what they contribute to the game. But it was working. Do you think taking the knee has made it better? I think it's put it back about 30 years, so well done to that one. Mings said after a recent villa game that they should keep taking the knee as doing it is getting more and more black people as football pundits. If that's his view carry on. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 8, 2021 19:18:22 GMT
Would you still boo if the players said they weren't taking the knee for BLM but were doing it because it is internationally recognized as a gesture in support for racial equality? would you still boo then? I wouldn’t boo them in the first place As I have far better things than to waste what little oxygen I can inhale on them I was merely pointing out I can fully understand why people feel the need to boo what they see as a political gesture Maybe if those footballers who are wishing to kneel against racism could come out with a statement condemning the racist attitude of Black Lives Matter movement than people may find no need to boo Or they could simply say no to any form of racism which I’m sure everyone on this board could agree on The players have been quite clear that to them it is a gesture in favor of racial equality and that's that. Several of these players are young men who have experienced horrible racism in their lives, something white men like you and I are fortunate to have never had to experience. So the people who are booing them have been told why they're doing it. So to carry on and boo anyway is just blatant racism and should be called out as such |
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