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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2021 15:33:07 GMT
Is this the equivalent if Martin stinks recommending a player to stoke to sign? Nothing to see here What might turn out to be significant is that Celtic's new manager used to manage the Australian Team. Hopefully Harry will be content to stay at Stoke a while longer until either bids come in from PL clubs or (better from our point of view) we manage to gain promotion. If he wants the best possible club career, spending another year in English football is probably his safest option.
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 18:13:15 GMT
Is this the equivalent if Martin stinks recommending a player to stoke to sign? Nothing to see here What might turn out to be significant is that Celtic's new manager used to manage the Australian Team. Hopefully Harry will be content to stay at Stoke a while longer until either bids come in from PL clubs or (better from our point of view) we manage to gain promotion. If he wants the best possible club career, spending another year in English football is probably his safest option. Can't see as they have the money tbh and can't see him being interested in a tin pot league anyway, he'll be a Premiership player in a couple of seasons with or without us. He's settled here getting the experience needed in his trade before stepping up
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2021 18:23:29 GMT
What might turn out to be significant is that Celtic's new manager used to manage the Australian Team. Hopefully Harry will be content to stay at Stoke a while longer until either bids come in from PL clubs or (better from our point of view) we manage to gain promotion. If he wants the best possible club career, spending another year in English football is probably his safest option. Can't see as they have the money tbh and can't see him being interested in a tin pot league anyway, he'll be a Premiership player in a couple of seasons with or without us. He's settled here getting the experience needed in his trade before stepping up Depends what a reasonable fee is. With the crowds they get they certainly have a lot more money than we get in the Championship now our parachute payments have ended! I do agree with your second point though. If he has decent advisors I'm sure they will persuade him that another season in the Championship is better for his career than joining the SPL. As regards his wages, I suspect that if we want to keep him beyond next summer we will need to offer him a new contract long before his present one expires.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 25, 2021 18:33:43 GMT
The Olympics is a great shop window for the club to display an asset.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 25, 2021 18:42:40 GMT
What might turn out to be significant is that Celtic's new manager used to manage the Australian Team. Hopefully Harry will be content to stay at Stoke a while longer until either bids come in from PL clubs or (better from our point of view) we manage to gain promotion. If he wants the best possible club career, spending another year in English football is probably his safest option. Can't see as they have the money tbh and can't see him being interested in a tin pot league anyway, he'll be a Premiership player in a couple of seasons with or without us. He's settled here getting the experience needed in his trade before stepping up They just sold Ajer a centre half for £13.5m to Brentford.
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 19:00:03 GMT
Can't see as they have the money tbh and can't see him being interested in a tin pot league anyway, he'll be a Premiership player in a couple of seasons with or without us. He's settled here getting the experience needed in his trade before stepping up They just sold Ajer a centre half for £13.5m to Brentford. They'd have to spend every penny of that though to get Souttar and more. Then he'd have to want to go
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2021 19:06:00 GMT
Celtic probably could pay him more, I was going to say Champions League football but that’s unlikely, every game ( admittedly in a poor league) is a game where the opposition want your scalp; the only thing being I’m struggling to think of anyone who started in one of the top two English divisions, went to Scotland, and the made a successful return to English football? I’m sure someone can enlighten me? Celtics wage bill won't be bigger than ours Championship clubs routinely beat Celtic and Rangers to players
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Post by thehoof on Jul 25, 2021 19:31:30 GMT
Celtic probably could pay him more, I was going to say Champions League football but that’s unlikely, every game ( admittedly in a poor league) is a game where the opposition want your scalp; the only thing being I’m struggling to think of anyone who started in one of the top two English divisions, went to Scotland, and the made a successful return to English football? I’m sure someone can enlighten me? Celtics wage bill won't be bigger than ours Championship clubs routinely beat Celtic and Rangers to players I find that hard to believe in this case Lord B- Celtic 60,000 fans each home game, and probably at least the equivalent TV money that we will get off the EFL- also no parachute payments.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2021 19:53:30 GMT
Celtics wage bill won't be bigger than ours Championship clubs routinely beat Celtic and Rangers to players I find that hard to believe in this case Lord B- Celtic 60,000 fans each home game, and probably at least the equivalent TV money that we will get off the EFL- also no parachute payments. Their TV deal is a pittance even compared to the modest TV revenues we get EFL sponsorship deals will be bigger than the SPL e t.c. Neither Celtic nor Rangers could match the deal we gave Campbell and he's not in daft money Look at the players Rangers and Celtic sign, they can compete most times with Championship overall
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 25, 2021 20:04:58 GMT
Souttar is better than the player they just sold, Ajer
There's no way we're letting him go for less than we've sold Collins, and Celtic don't have that kind of money
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Post by bolders on Jul 25, 2021 20:05:30 GMT
Celtics wage bill won't be bigger than ours Championship clubs routinely beat Celtic and Rangers to players I find that hard to believe in this case Lord B- Celtic 60,000 fans each home game, and probably at least the equivalent TV money that we will get off the EFL- also no parachute payments. Scottish prem gets £25 mil a year from sky not sure about BBC or Virgin Average for the Championship is £9m each club
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 25, 2021 20:20:49 GMT
4 of Celtic’s top 5 biggest transfer fees were made around 20 years ago. One of them was Neil Lennon 🙂
Their record is £9m, 3yrs ago, their record defender cost £7.2m
The days of Celtic being a force in the transfer market are well and truly gone, and you couldn’t see them breaking their all time transfer record for Souttar.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2021 20:21:43 GMT
I find that hard to believe in this case Lord B- Celtic 60,000 fans each home game, and probably at least the equivalent TV money that we will get off the EFL- also no parachute payments. Scottish prem gets £25 mil a year from sky not sure about BBC or Virgin Average for the Championship is £9m each club Against that, Celtic's average League attendance is probably 25K above ours. I don't know how much tickets cost in Scotland but that would suggest that their income from tickets would more than make up for the lower TV income they get compared to an average Championship club. In addition they have the income from at least the group stages of European football virtually every year and, of course, their attendance means that merchandise and shirt sales will be hugely in excess of ours. As I said above, now our parachute payments have ended, there is no way that Celtic's income is lower than ours - except in those VERY rare years when we make a significantly bigger profit on player sales than they do.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 20:24:37 GMT
4 of Celtic’s top 5 biggest transfer fees were made around 20 years ago. One of them was Neil Lennon 🙂 Their record is £9m, 3yrs ago, their record defender cost £7.2m The days of Celtic being a force in the transfer market are well and truly gone, and you couldn’t see them breaking their all time transfer record for Souttar. Right now I really hope you're right! To keep Harry for at least a couple of years will be a very good investment for Stoke!
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Post by barrythe on Jul 26, 2021 5:25:21 GMT
Souttar has got to be worth much more than Collins. Hes played more games, he's a full international and captained that side. Scored international goals regularly. Must have been stoke MOTM last season over 10+ games... Collins was really a highly rated prospect not the finished article that Harry is.
He's staying and hopefully our captain into the Premier league one season soon! 🙏
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 26, 2021 6:33:55 GMT
It's not a bad thing we had Shawcross around through his early years. I guess it depends how he viewed it. With his international career already sorted, that's another reason for temptation that isnt relevant.
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2021 6:44:15 GMT
I find that hard to believe in this case Lord B- Celtic 60,000 fans each home game, and probably at least the equivalent TV money that we will get off the EFL- also no parachute payments. Scottish prem gets £25 mil a year from sky not sure about BBC or Virgin Average for the Championship is £9m each club That £9m figure stops you in your tracks, I've quoted it a few times. That's basically what we have to run the club on now, wages transfers everything, that plus whatever we can take at the gate (nothing for 15 months) and a small amount of merchandising. It's not hard to see why our debts have gone through the roof and out the other side.
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Post by neckender78 on Jul 26, 2021 6:53:09 GMT
Can't see as they have the money tbh and can't see him being interested in a tin pot league anyway, he'll be a Premiership player in a couple of seasons with or without us. He's settled here getting the experience needed in his trade before stepping up They just sold Ajer a centre half for £13.5m to Brentford. Normally can't fault Brentfords transfer policy but that seems a strange one. Maybe proved wrong but that's a massive fee for what I have seen of him a bang average centre back
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 26, 2021 6:54:59 GMT
I hope he and Wilmott form a good relationship quickly. I must say I never thought Harry would make it, but he’s pushed on through and has to be the first name on the team sheet now. Hoping we can take a bit more advantage of his height from set pieces and get some goals out of him. With the right delivery he should be good for half a dozen goals a season but our set pieces have been shite for so long now; Vrancic could be the man to sort that.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2021 7:00:57 GMT
Scottish prem gets £25 mil a year from sky not sure about BBC or Virgin Average for the Championship is £9m each club That £9m figure stops you in your tracks, I've quoted it a few times. That's basically what we have to run the club on now, wages transfers everything, that plus whatever we can take at the gate (nothing for 15 months) and a small amount of merchandising. It's not hard to see why our debts have gone through the roof and out the other side. A good point It's still much more than Celtic get
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Post by bolders on Jul 26, 2021 7:27:02 GMT
Scottish prem gets £25 mil a year from sky not sure about BBC or Virgin Average for the Championship is £9m each club That £9m figure stops you in your tracks, I've quoted it a few times. That's basically what we have to run the club on now, wages transfers everything, that plus whatever we can take at the gate (nothing for 15 months) and a small amount of merchandising. It's not hard to see why our debts have gone through the roof and out the other side. That and the sponsorships we get in
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2021 8:04:53 GMT
That £9m figure stops you in your tracks, I've quoted it a few times. That's basically what we have to run the club on now, wages transfers everything, that plus whatever we can take at the gate (nothing for 15 months) and a small amount of merchandising. It's not hard to see why our debts have gone through the roof and out the other side. That and the sponsorships we get in Yes, sponsorships as well. Still doesn't go far, we can piss £9m up the wall on transfer fee alone for half a Wimmer or Imbula before we've even begun to pay them or anyone else! You can see why the club has to run in a completely different way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 8:06:11 GMT
Souttar is better than the player they just sold, Ajer There's no way we're letting him go for less than we've sold Collins, and Celtic don't have that kind of money I agree but only because I don’t think anyone would pay that much.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 8:31:38 GMT
Could be totally made up and speculative but then again, if you’ve got an online database on player salaries you probably well suited at doing decent guesstimating: salarysport.com/football/scottish-premiership/celtic/Celtic have a total of 52 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Mohamed Elyounoussi earning £59,000 per week. Celtic play in the Scottish Premiership, the highest division of football in Scotland. The teams total wage bill is: £22,924,304 per year £440,852 per week
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 8:33:25 GMT
Could be totally made up and speculative but then again, if you’ve got an online database on player salaries you probably well suited at doing decent guesstimating: salarysport.com/football/scottish-premiership/celtic/Celtic have a total of 52 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Mohamed Elyounoussi earning £59,000 per week. Celtic play in the Scottish Premiership, the highest division of football in Scotland. The teams total wage bill is: £22,924,304 per year £440,852 per week And comparably: salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/stoke-city/Stoke City have a total of 68 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Ryan Shawcross earning £53,000 per week. Stoke City play in the Sky Bet Championship, the second division of mens professional football in England. The teams total wage bill is: £27,867,840 per year £535,920 per week
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 26, 2021 8:45:12 GMT
I cannot believe Celtic are paying a player £59.000 a week, I'd bet at least half of the premier are not paying that kind of money!
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Post by thehoof on Jul 26, 2021 8:49:50 GMT
Could be totally made up and speculative but then again, if you’ve got an online database on player salaries you probably well suited at doing decent guesstimating: salarysport.com/football/scottish-premiership/celtic/Celtic have a total of 52 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Mohamed Elyounoussi earning £59,000 per week. Celtic play in the Scottish Premiership, the highest division of football in Scotland. The teams total wage bill is: £22,924,304 per year £440,852 per week And comparably: salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/stoke-city/Stoke City have a total of 68 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Ryan Shawcross earning £53,000 per week. Stoke City play in the Sky Bet Championship, the second division of mens professional football in England. The teams total wage bill is: £27,867,840 per year £535,920 per week Given all the goings out, it’s clear that our wage bill is now much less than what Celtic are paying- that’s not to say that Souttar would want to go back to Scotland , but other than our ownership ( which under FFP is very limited as to what it can contribute), there is very little difference ( indeed if it wasn’t for the £9m sky fee), Celtic’s revenue would be substantially more than ours.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 8:52:16 GMT
I cannot believe Celtic are paying a player £59.000 a week, I'd bet at least half of the premier are not paying that kind of money! I reckon most of the Prem do tbh. Isn’t Meyer at Palace on something like 130k/week?
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2021 9:54:15 GMT
I cannot believe Celtic are paying a player £59.000 a week, I'd bet at least half of the premier are not paying that kind of money! Burnley won't be, Brentford probably won't be Norwich & Watford probably not either Brighton probably not would expect all the others to be paying at least one player higher than that
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 9:54:53 GMT
I cannot believe Celtic are paying a player £59.000 a week, I'd bet at least half of the premier are not paying that kind of money! I doubt they were, that’s likely his Southampton wage, he was on loan at Celtic last season. Bet they were covering 50%~75% of wages.
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