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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2021 19:43:37 GMT
I'll end by saying that I maintain my belief that it's a large minority. and what about the small majority are they ok I fully accept there will be genuine and honest officers. There are far too many bent ones.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 11:10:08 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on May 7, 2021 12:31:34 GMT
Hope it’s not an asylum seeker
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Post by Dave the Rave on May 7, 2021 14:02:02 GMT
How have the police come across this photo? Looks decent quality and pretty close up so probably not CCTV?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 14:03:25 GMT
How have the police come across this photo? Looks decent quality and pretty close up so probably not CCTV? I doubt they’ll be giving too much away if it’s part of the investigation.
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Post by franklin on May 7, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
How have the police come across this photo? Looks decent quality and pretty close up so probably not CCTV? I doubt they’ll be giving too much away if it’s part of the investigation. I'd hazard a guess at BWV footage from a previous encounter???
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Post by Pedropotter on May 7, 2021 15:35:26 GMT
I doubt they’ll be giving too much away if it’s part of the investigation. I'd hazard a guess at BWV footage from a previous encounter??? BWV?
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Post by franklin on May 7, 2021 15:40:06 GMT
I'd hazard a guess at BWV footage from a previous encounter??? BWV? Body Worn Video not sure if she would have had one but its possible it could be.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 16:29:44 GMT
Body Worn Video not sure if she would have had one but its possible it could be. One things for sure it’s a very good capture so he should be identified by someone.
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Post by metalhead on May 7, 2021 16:45:31 GMT
Body Worn Video not sure if she would have had one but its possible it could be. One things for sure it’s a very good capture so he should be identified by someone. Needs someone to actually step forward and be a decent citizen though. You find people are unwilling to do so if they're scared or intimidated or just unwilling to grass up a mate. Regardless, that photo is like HD compared to some appeals. Hopefully he'll be swiftly detained before he hurts someone else.
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Post by hoffgreen on May 7, 2021 16:55:03 GMT
Body Worn Video not sure if she would have had one but its possible it could be. One things for sure it’s a very good capture so he should be identified by someone. According to the report I've read it said the image was taken the day after her murder in a "relevant location"
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 17:02:28 GMT
One things for sure it’s a very good capture so he should be identified by someone. Needs someone to actually step forward and be a decent citizen though. You find people are unwilling to do so if they're scared or intimidated or just unwilling to grass up a mate. Regardless, that photo is like HD compared to some appeals. Hopefully he'll be swiftly detained before he hurts someone else. it’s about doing the right thing. Sadly we’re living in a time where it’s morally worse to report someone for the worst type of offence than to commit the offence itself.
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Post by raythesailor on May 7, 2021 21:20:05 GMT
Have said this before on a murder case a lot closer to home.
We should let the Police get on with there enquires and not become involved with ill informed Social media speculation.
This would seem to me to be a very complex enquiry with the police having very little to go on.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 11:23:19 GMT
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2021 11:38:26 GMT
Interesting they mention a British national. Throws the Syrian refugee argument out the window. Fully expect him to be charged in the next day or two.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 11:55:49 GMT
Interesting they mention a British national. Throws the Syrian refugee argument out the window. Fully expect him to be charged in the next day or two. Let’s hope so.
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2021 12:08:28 GMT
Interesting they mention a British national. Throws the Syrian refugee argument out the window. Fully expect him to be charged in the next day or two. Let’s hope so. I suspect they wouldn't get this wrong. He'll be charged and swiftly brought to justice.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 12:09:44 GMT
I suspect they wouldn't get this wrong. He'll be charged and swiftly brought to justice. That’s what the Police generally do if the evidence is there.
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2021 12:17:48 GMT
I suspect they wouldn't get this wrong. He'll be charged and swiftly brought to justice. That’s what the Police generally do if the evidence is there. Except in the other thread where it's taken 5 years but anyway. One less piece of shit off the streets.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 12:22:30 GMT
That’s what the Police generally do if the evidence is there. Except in the other thread where it's taken 5 years but anyway. One less piece of shit off the streets. Can you not just be happy that someone’s in custody without bringing your anti police views into things.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 8, 2021 12:28:03 GMT
Have said this before on a murder case a lot closer to home. We should let the Police get on with there enquires and not become involved with ill informed Social media speculation. This would seem to me to be a very complex enquiry with the police having very little to go on. This. It is virtually impossible to hold high profile trials with juries not influenced by social media and the Internet. It would have been impossible to try Derek Chauvin by an impartial jury in the USA. Not saying he was innocent but I’m a believer in fair justice for all and he didn’t get that in my opinion. 2 jurors were dismissed after admitting they could not be impartial or influenced by the $27m payout to the Floyd family.
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2021 12:58:12 GMT
Except in the other thread where it's taken 5 years but anyway. One less piece of shit off the streets. Can you not just be happy that someone’s in custody without bringing your anti police views into things. I am happy. Two wrongs rarely make a right and in this case, they certainly don't. Seeing this man charged and dealt with swiftly is a fine result.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 8, 2021 14:42:34 GMT
Except in the other thread where it's taken 5 years but anyway. One less piece of shit off the streets. Can you not just be happy that someone’s in custody without bringing your anti police views into things. It is a valid comment
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 14:56:12 GMT
Can you not just be happy that someone’s in custody without bringing your anti police views into things. It is a valid comment Ultimately it’s all down to evidence an investigation isn’t always as straight forwards as it appears especially if there’s lots of evidence / witnesses. If what you say is true re Police forcing through their own cases at double quick speed how come Sgt Matt Ratana’s murderer hasn’t even been interviewed yet. Anyway let’s see what happens in court before we make judgement.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 8, 2021 15:07:20 GMT
Ultimately it’s all down to evidence an investigation isn’t always as straight forwards as it appears especially if there’s lots of evidence / witnesses. If what you say is true re Police forcing through their own cases at double quick speed how come Sgt Matt Ratana’s murderer hasn’t even been interviewed yet. Anyway let’s see what happens in court before we make judgement. 5 years
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 15:17:48 GMT
Ultimately it’s all down to evidence an investigation isn’t always as straight forwards as it appears especially if there’s lots of evidence / witnesses. If what you say is true re Police forcing through their own cases at double quick speed how come Sgt Matt Ratana’s murderer hasn’t even been interviewed yet. Anyway let’s see what happens in court before we make judgement. 5 years There’s some investigations that have taken even longer purely because they’re waiting for the last bit of evidence for someone to be charged. It’s pure speculation to say one way or another without knowing how the investigation panned out. Whether he’s guilty or not I’m sure no one wants an investigation hanging over them for 5 years either.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 8, 2021 15:22:50 GMT
There’s some investigations that have taken even longer purely because they’re waiting for the last bit of evidence for someone to be charged. It’s pure speculation to say one way or another without knowing how the investigation panned out. Whether he’s guilty or not I’m sure no one wants an investigation hanging over them for 5 years either. There was plenty of evidence to charge both of the cops.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 15:27:48 GMT
There’s some investigations that have taken even longer purely because they’re waiting for the last bit of evidence for someone to be charged. It’s pure speculation to say one way or another without knowing how the investigation panned out. Whether he’s guilty or not I’m sure no one wants an investigation hanging over them for 5 years either. There was plenty of evidence to charge both of the cops. possibly yes but they need to present all the evidence. You go in to quick and you can lose a case. Plus they have to go through the CPS.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 8, 2021 15:29:10 GMT
Can you not just be happy that someone’s in custody without bringing your anti police views into things. I am happy. Two wrongs rarely make a right and in this case, they certainly don't. Seeing this man charged and dealt with swiftly is a fine result. Strangely enough, I've been watching part of an ITV series starring Martin Freeman as DI Steve Fulcher, the man who apprehended the serial killer, Christopher Halliwell. Your comment on how two wrongs rarely make a right struck a chord. Unfortunately, Fulcher was presented with an awful dilemma of using non-PACE evidence gathering to get Halliwell to confess to where bodies were buried. Which obviously fell apart under legal scrutiny, but in doing so he found the remains of two missing loved ones and probably prevented more killing. It also ended Fulcher's career and has rendered him unemployable in the UK since, as he says himself. You can read the full story here. It makes for an interesting read of the conflict he went through trying to do the right thing, and he himself is very sanguine and fair-minded about the fall out. It really would be an awful position to find yourself in. It's probably very easy to say what you'd do on here, perhaps not quite so easy in the real world. www.theguardian.com/global/2017/jun/25/catching-a-serial-killer-stephen-fulcher-police
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 15:50:39 GMT
I am happy. Two wrongs rarely make a right and in this case, they certainly don't. Seeing this man charged and dealt with swiftly is a fine result. Strangely enough, I've been watching part of an ITV series starring Martin Freeman as DI Steve Fulcher, the man who apprehended the serial killer, Christopher Halliwell. Your comment on how two wrongs rarely make a right struck a chord. Unfortunately, Fulcher was presented with an awful dilemma of using non-PACE evidence gathering to get Halliwell to confess to where bodies were buried. Which obviously fell apart under legal scrutiny, but in doing so he found the remains of two missing loved ones and probably prevented more killing. It also ended Fulcher's career and has rendered him unemployable in the UK since, as he says himself. You can read the full story here. It makes for an interesting read of the conflict he went through trying to do the right thing, and he himself is very sanguine and fair-minded about the fall out. It really would be an awful position to find yourself in. It's probably very easy to say what you'd do on here, perhaps not quite so easy in the real world. www.theguardian.com/global/2017/jun/25/catching-a-serial-killer-stephen-fulcher-policei’ve seen that. It’s an excellent watch, as you sometimes it’s frustrating for officers as they can be hamstrung between getting justice and sticking to PACE. There’s a lot of guilty people walked free because there’s a missing piece which would secure a charge / conviction. The CPS threshold is very high too which means you can’t gamble on a 50/50 chance. The case almost needs to be watertight. For all we know the officer in the Atkinson case may be a gamble even though it appears straightforward. He may come forwards with a defence that can’t be disproved. Let’s not forget it’s early days.
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