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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 30, 2021 7:59:31 GMT
Carry on justifying, incompetence, corruption, cronyism, racism, sewer like public standards, gaslighting and a dangerous and shit Brexit. They need their gullible but extremely useful idiots! Did your man lose Sheiky? I think everyone lost with this despicable, entitled, two bob, pathological liar...... (Johnson not fyd)
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Post by felonious on Apr 30, 2021 8:32:13 GMT
Did your man lose Sheiky? I think everyone lost with this despicable, entitled, two bob, pathological liar...... (Johnson not fyd) Wasn't Tony Benn entitled?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 30, 2021 8:38:22 GMT
You can speculate all you like but one of the most heartening things about this country is I am sure whatever it would not have ended with Steptoe as prime minister who can ever forget the brilliance of Labours vote for us we will agree a brexit deal and then have another referendum where we will campaign against our own deal, 100% idiotic genius ! But at least the NHS is safe with Labour, well apart from their prospective mp who was on a gp commissioning body that decided to close hartlepool a&e, could be worse he might be an ardent remainer in the most brexity part of the uk ohhhhh...... Carry on justifying, incompetence, corruption, cronyism, racism, sewer like public standards, gaslighting and a dangerous and shit Brexit. They need their gullible but extremely useful idiots! If only people had voted for the send a sample to Russia guy who employed his shadow chancellors son whilst the shadow chancellor employed his son, who failed to declare his trip paid for by hamas and has still not not declared his meetings with the media as per levenson 4 years on or really explained much of his dodgy past or his failure to deal with antisemitism (that is so small that only 13 peterboro councillors were suspended this week) but you know free internet. Even Kier knows it makes sense
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 30, 2021 8:38:56 GMT
I think everyone lost with this despicable, entitled, two bob, pathological liar...... (Johnson not fyd) Wasn't Tony Benn entitled? He renounced it didn't he?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 30, 2021 8:43:42 GMT
Carry on justifying, incompetence, corruption, cronyism, racism, sewer like public standards, gaslighting and a dangerous and shit Brexit. They need their gullible but extremely useful idiots! If only people had voted for the send a sample to Russia guy who employed his shadow chancellors son whilst the shadow chancellor employed his son, who failed to declare his trip paid for by hamas and has still not not declared his meetings with the media as per levenson 4 years on or really explained much of his dodgy past or his failure to deal with antisemitism (that is so small that only 13 peterboro councillors were suspended this week) but you know free internet. Even Kier knows it makes sense Are grammar and syntax on restricted supply in Conservative Central Office or something? Please try using some, as these stream-of-consciousness outpourings are so difficult to make any sense of. It's just rambling nonsense!
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 30, 2021 8:45:25 GMT
Carry on justifying, incompetence, corruption, cronyism, racism, sewer like public standards, gaslighting and a dangerous and shit Brexit. They need their gullible but extremely useful idiots! If only people had voted for the send a sample to Russia guy who employed his shadow chancellors son whilst the shadow chancellor employed his son, who failed to declare his trip paid for by hamas and has still not not declared his meetings with the media as per levenson 4 years on or really explained much of his dodgy past or his failure to deal with antisemitism (that is so small that only 13 peterboro councillors were suspended this week) but you know free internet. Even Kier knows it makes sense Well at least we know it wasn’t the local Jewish community that filled out all the postal votes
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 30, 2021 8:49:11 GMT
If only people had voted for the send a sample to Russia guy who employed his shadow chancellors son whilst the shadow chancellor employed his son, who failed to declare his trip paid for by hamas and has still not not declared his meetings with the media as per levenson 4 years on or really explained much of his dodgy past or his failure to deal with antisemitism (that is so small that only 13 peterboro councillors were suspended this week) but you know free internet. Even Kier knows it makes sense Well at least we know it wasn’t the local Jewish community that filled out all the postal votes As someone said on Twitter Boris is expected to hit back at starmers piss taking photo, they are just choosing which fence he should be pictured sitting on.....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 30, 2021 8:53:05 GMT
Well at least we know it wasn’t the local Jewish community that filled out all the postal votes As someone said on Twitter Boris is expected to hit back at starmers piss taking photo, they are just choosing which fence he should be pictured sitting on..... "Someone"? You mean Guido?
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2021 6:42:34 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 7:55:49 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 4, 2021 8:01:33 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished.
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Post by felonious on May 4, 2021 8:15:23 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished. Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 4, 2021 8:33:11 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished. Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. They just have nothing in common with your average bloke anymore. That's a big part of it. Most normal people don't give a shit about £80 wallpaper. They don't want gender neautral toilets, 3 million different genders, virtue signalling (BLM, ER etc), condescendingly being told what to think, cancel culture, state ownership, bureaucracy and wokery. They care about how a PM is going to directly impact their lives and right now, selecting the lesser of two evils. There's your answer.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 8:51:52 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished. Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. At some point the centrists/right wing of the party might take their head out of their arses, look at the steady decline in numbers post-Blair and the subsequent spike in votes in 2017 and the popularity of the bulk of the policies, realise the impact of Brexit and come to the conclusion that they're barking up completely the wrong tree. And in the meantime I'll just entertain myself watching Starmer awkwardly move from one town to the next losing popularity as he goes..................
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 4, 2021 8:54:41 GMT
Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. They just have nothing in common with your average bloke anymore. That's a big part of it. Most normal people don't give a shit about £80 wallpaper. They don't want gender neautral toilets, 3 million different genders, virtue signalling (BLM, ER etc), condescendingly being told what to think, cancel culture, state ownership, bureaucracy and wokery. They care about how a PM is going to directly impact their lives and right now, selecting the lesser of two evils. There's your answer. Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing hasn't changed in Hartlepool.
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Post by adri2008 on May 4, 2021 8:58:34 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished. Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. Mainly because the bloke and the Labour Party in general is a bit of a non-entity right now and the public are so relieved to be getting their freedoms back that all this talk of sleaze just isn't having an impact outside of the political bubble. People are just switched off from such things at the moment.
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Post by adri2008 on May 4, 2021 8:59:35 GMT
Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. At some point the centrists/right wing of the party might take their head out of their arses, look at the steady decline in numbers post-Blair and the subsequent spike in votes in 2017 and the popularity of the bulk of the policies, realise the impact of Brexit and come to the conclusion that they're barking up completely the wrong tree. And in the meantime I'll just entertain myself watching Starmer awkwardly move from one town to the next losing popularity as he goes.................. Policies were decent, the people delivering them weren't. The public will vote for a change but they need to believe in the people who are going to deliver them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 9:05:22 GMT
They just have nothing in common with your average bloke anymore. That's a big part of it. Most normal people don't give a shit about £80 wallpaper. They don't want gender neautral toilets, 3 million different genders, virtue signalling (BLM, ER etc), condescendingly being told what to think, cancel culture, state ownership, bureaucracy and wokery. They care about how a PM is going to directly impact their lives and right now, selecting the lesser of two evils. There's your answer. Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing has changed in Hartlepool. In 2015 Labour won with 14,000 votes, they got in because UKIP got 11,000 votes and the Conservatives 8,000. In 2017 against the same two candidates Labour got just under 22,000 votes, the Conservatives 14,000 and UKIP just under 5,000. The only election in Hartlepool that has gone against the grain of a drop in popularity for the Labour Party since Blair was 2017. But we can analyse numbers till we're blue in the face, ultimately if the Tories gain Hartlepool it's on Starmer and his feeble leadership . No excuses, no bullshit he'll need to own it..........
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 9:08:01 GMT
At some point the centrists/right wing of the party might take their head out of their arses, look at the steady decline in numbers post-Blair and the subsequent spike in votes in 2017 and the popularity of the bulk of the policies, realise the impact of Brexit and come to the conclusion that they're barking up completely the wrong tree. And in the meantime I'll just entertain myself watching Starmer awkwardly move from one town to the next losing popularity as he goes.................. Policies were decent, the people delivering them weren't. The public will vote for a change but they need to believe in the people who are going to deliver them. Starmer has had a completely easy ride from the press and still isn't cutting through, Corbyn was vilified from day one with a large chunk of his party absolutely sabotaging any chance of a Labour victory. You say the people weren't decent, I say there were other factors afoot........
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2021 9:26:31 GMT
Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing has changed in Hartlepool. In 2015 Labour won with 14,000 votes, they got in because UKIP got 11,000 votes and the Conservatives 8,000. In 2017 against the same two candidates Labour got just under 22,000 votes, the Conservatives 14,000 and UKIP just under 5,000. The only election in Hartlepool that has gone against the grain of a drop in popularity for the Labour Party since Blair was 2017. But we can analyse numbers till we're blue in the face, ultimately if the Tories gain Hartlepool it's on Starmer and his feeble leadership . No excuses, no bullshit he'll need to own it.......... Its funny how you dont mention 2019 Labour lost 6k votes to 15k and only beat the tories 12k and brexit party 11k as they split the brexit vote. Corbyn had already effectively lost hartlepool helped by starmers non brexit policy, starmers general wankness and picking an ardent remainer who was on the panel that closed harlepools a&e dont help of course when the corbyn pretorian guard suggest burgon or sultana as the next leader things will not improve.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 4, 2021 9:29:28 GMT
Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing has changed in Hartlepool. In 2015 Labour won with 14,000 votes, they got in because UKIP got 11,000 votes and the Conservatives 8,000. In 2017 against the same two candidates Labour got over 21,000 votes, the Conservatives 14,000 and UKIP just under 5,000. The only election in Hartlepool that has gone against the grain of a drop in popularity for the Labour Party since Blair was 2017. But we can analyse numbers till we're blue in the face, ultimately if the Tories gain Hartlepool it's on Starmer and his feeble leadership . No excuses, no bullshit he'll need to own it.......... That's wonderful, historical and well though out analysis. When it comes to mapping the up's and downs of Hartlepool voting records you will be the first person I come to, with an extended piece of the re-emergence of the Labour Party in 2017. Back to the by-election of 2021 during the Parliamentary term of the 2019 election. **Also noting that I've already stated that Starmer hasn't cut through** Have we got any other explanation that refutes my claim that almost certainly anybody in Hartlepool who voted BP has simply shifted their vote to the Cons?
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2021 9:30:02 GMT
Wow. Doesn't even look like it's going to be close. Total disaster for Labour. Perhaps in the next election we'll see the entirety of the red wall seats go blue? Even the likes of Rotherham were pretty narrow wins for Labour so there is every chance they could turn blue. I think it says a lot that London (the home of white, snobby, middle class wokery) is almost entirely Labour, while most of the rest of the country is Conservative. You could see Labour quite literally confining itself to London in future elections. Labour are completely and utterly finished. Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. From my memory it was not the sleaze that did for major last time, I dont think anyone cared if mps wanted to hang themselves with an orange in their mouth for kicks it was majors back to basics policy where it was seen as attempting to lecture people on how to live their lives whilst doing what they wanted themselves so it was more what was viewed as hypocrisy.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 9:43:34 GMT
In 2015 Labour won with 14,000 votes, they got in because UKIP got 11,000 votes and the Conservatives 8,000. In 2017 against the same two candidates Labour got just under 22,000 votes, the Conservatives 14,000 and UKIP just under 5,000. The only election in Hartlepool that has gone against the grain of a drop in popularity for the Labour Party since Blair was 2017. But we can analyse numbers till we're blue in the face, ultimately if the Tories gain Hartlepool it's on Starmer and his feeble leadership . No excuses, no bullshit he'll need to own it.......... Its funny how you dont mention 2019 Labour lost 6k votes to 15k and only beat the tories 12k and brexit party 11k as they split the brexit vote. Corbyn had already effectively lost hartlepool helped by starmers non brexit policy, starmers general wankness and picking an ardent remainer who was on the panel that closed harlepools a&e dont help of course when the corbyn pretorian guard suggest burgon or sultana as the next leader things will not improve. I didn't mention it because I literally responded to a post with that specific figure on it. Quite frankly under the circumstances it was a miracle Labour did retain Hartlepool, people saying "they only won because BP and the Tories split the vote" isn't the own they think it is. It was Richard Tice they sent up as well by the way not some wet behind the ears new party member, they fully expected to take away a bigger share of the Labour vote than they did.....
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Post by adri2008 on May 4, 2021 9:44:51 GMT
Policies were decent, the people delivering them weren't. The public will vote for a change but they need to believe in the people who are going to deliver them. Starmer has had a completely easy ride from the press and still isn't cutting through, Corbyn was vilified from day one with a large chunk of his party absolutely sabotaging any chance of a Labour victory. You say the people weren't decent, I say there were other factors afoot........ To be fair, the press have had much easier meat to fill their pages with for the past year so he's by default not had much scrutiny. Personally I view Starmer as a bit of a non-entity, he'll probably steady the ship and stop the rot but I can't see him winning an election unless the Tories gift it him.
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2021 9:52:51 GMT
Its funny how you dont mention 2019 Labour lost 6k votes to 15k and only beat the tories 12k and brexit party 11k as they split the brexit vote. Corbyn had already effectively lost hartlepool helped by starmers non brexit policy, starmers general wankness and picking an ardent remainer who was on the panel that closed harlepools a&e dont help of course when the corbyn pretorian guard suggest burgon or sultana as the next leader things will not improve. I didn't mention it because I literally responded to a post with that specific figure on it. Quite frankly under the circumstances it was a miracle Labour did retain Hartlepool, people saying "they only won because BP and the Tories split the vote" isn't the own they think it is. It was Richard Tice they sent up as well by the way not some wet behind the ears new party member, they fully expected to take away a bigger share of the Labour vote than they did..... Good point I will read more carefully next time :/ The brexit party expected to win, hartlepool was the most brexit voting part of the uk those votes werent labour anymore once they went pretend brexit or no brexit, there is no reason to believe hartlepool wouldnt have followed the rest of the ex red wall.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 10:01:26 GMT
In 2015 Labour won with 14,000 votes, they got in because UKIP got 11,000 votes and the Conservatives 8,000. In 2017 against the same two candidates Labour got over 21,000 votes, the Conservatives 14,000 and UKIP just under 5,000. The only election in Hartlepool that has gone against the grain of a drop in popularity for the Labour Party since Blair was 2017. But we can analyse numbers till we're blue in the face, ultimately if the Tories gain Hartlepool it's on Starmer and his feeble leadership . No excuses, no bullshit he'll need to own it.......... That's wonderful, historical and well though out analysis. When it comes to mapping the up's and downs of Hartlepool voting records you will be the first person I come to, with an extended piece of the re-emergence of the Labour Party in 2017. Back to the by-election of 2021 during the Parliamentary term of the 2019 election. **Also noting that I've already stated that Starmer hasn't cut through** Have we got any other explanation that refutes my claim that almost certainly anybody in Hartlepool who voted BP has simply shifted their vote to the Cons? I'll ignore you being a condescending prick for the moment. Labour didn't lose because of Brexit, they lost because of Corbyn I hear it constantly on here, it's what everyone on the doorstep was saying apparently. Corbyn has gone, antisemitism no longer exists within the Labour Party. The good people of Hartlepool unilaterally voted in Labour in 2017 and that was with Corbyn so Starmer should be licking his lips, he's even embraced the Union Jack and the armed forces and wants to put the "Great" back into Great Britain. It's all set up for a comfortable Labour victory........
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Post by yeokel on May 4, 2021 10:12:31 GMT
Difficult to understand why Starmer isn't doing better perhaps the mantra of sleaze, sleaze, sleaze has had it's day. At least Corbyn had policies. Mainly because the bloke and the Labour Party in general is a bit of a non-entity right now and the public are so relieved to be getting their freedoms back that all this talk of sleaze just isn't having an impact outside of the political bubble. People are just switched off from such things at the moment. The sad fact is that we've come to accept it as normal behaviour for politicians now. Right, Centre, Left - they all have their own particular versions of cronyism and sleaze so it is no longer a differentiator. And, politicians are so bland these days that nobody stands out from any particular party to make people wake up and see, or think about, the way the country and, in fact, much of the world is going. I know that "the great reset" has been mocked on these boards, rightly or wrongly, but a "great reset" is precisely what is needed, worldwide, politically at the moment but there is nobody with any great ideas or charisma to start things off so blandness, cronyism and sleaze look like being the order of the day for some time to come.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 4, 2021 10:23:52 GMT
They just have nothing in common with your average bloke anymore. That's a big part of it. Most normal people don't give a shit about £80 wallpaper. They don't want gender neautral toilets, 3 million different genders, virtue signalling (BLM, ER etc), condescendingly being told what to think, cancel culture, state ownership, bureaucracy and wokery. They care about how a PM is going to directly impact their lives and right now, selecting the lesser of two evils. There's your answer. Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing has changed in Hartlepool. The only thing starmer has cut through is his arse cheek from a strand of fence wire
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 11:27:58 GMT
They just have nothing in common with your average bloke anymore. That's a big part of it. Most normal people don't give a shit about £80 wallpaper. They don't want gender neautral toilets, 3 million different genders, virtue signalling (BLM, ER etc), condescendingly being told what to think, cancel culture, state ownership, bureaucracy and wokery. They care about how a PM is going to directly impact their lives and right now, selecting the lesser of two evils. There's your answer. Behave Julia, they all simply love and believe in Brexit still. In Decembet 2019 the Cons and BP had 21,000 votes split between them whilst the Labour candidate had 15,000. Roughly 41000 votes were cast in total and that 6000 difference between Lab-Con/BP is 15% ish. It's fair to say Starmer has cut through, but in reality nothing has changed in Hartlepool. Yeah, it'll take a good few years yet before enough time has elapsed to allow themselves to stop voting for the party that campaigned on the single issue of getting Brexit done. At least two or three years, possibly longer, before voting against the Tories no longer feels like a tacit admission that it's also voting against Brexit.
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2021 11:32:50 GMT
This makes the problem labour faces even more startling without the brexit party it could have been 120+ majority.
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