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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2021 23:15:10 GMT
You might be better off reading the national audit office report rather than what Sharon or Dave say on facebook. There's not a company in the uk that has experience of setting up a test and trace system nevermind on the scale the uk has, the majority of the £37 billion to be spent on track and trace has yet to be spent, the majority of the spend is on testing, the actual kits, transporting them around the country and to laboratories to be analysed, thats before you get into the IT systems etc. Serco who I presume you are referring too account for something like 1-2% of the total spend mostly on managing test sites, mobile test sites and call tracing, the figures I have seen on test and trace suggest the uk's is now right up there but that doesnt fit the narrative of course, the biggest failing / problem with T&T is people not giving genuine contact details or answering the phone / responding when called and that wouldn't change whether you had someone on minimum wage from serco or florance nightingale making the calls. People giving the wrong contact details or failing to answer the phone during a pandemic when we have one of the worst statutory sick pay schemes in Europe, I wonder why that might be?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 7:45:24 GMT
Oh, it was a metaphor! Despite it spelling it out clearly on the bus and billboards everywhere, it was just a metaphor for what they might choose to do...! I must remember that next time I read or hear anything that comes out of Boris's mouth - don't take it as actually meaning anything substantive. To be fair, that's sound advice, Lawrie!
Shame though, as the nurses payrise in comparison is just a drop in the ocean really. 299,184 nurses in the NHS as of Dec last year. The weekly rise as a result of a 1% increase for a nurse on average pay is £6.42 or roughly £100m annually. An additional £100m annually compared to a Brexit dividend of £350mill a week, completely unrelated to how the economy is doing. Seems pretty affordable... Oh well, guess the NHS will just have to let that £350mill a week go... As I said remainers taking the slogan literally for months and months after the referendum and still trying to make something out of it over 1 year after we left the EU,......I rest my case Not just Remainers, Lawrie, no matter how much you want to convince yourself you've not been taken for a ride...one, Dominic Cummings, brains behind the "dumb idea" (his words) referendum leave campaign said: "Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.” The Spectator. It is funny how much revisionism has gone on over the last five years! Doesn't bode well for the rest of the sunlit uplands does it, when this central "metaphor" turns out to be complete bollocks. Let that 350mill go, nurses...
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 8, 2021 8:48:24 GMT
As I said remainers taking the slogan literally for months and months after the referendum and still trying to make something out of it over 1 year after we left the EU,......I rest my case Not just Remainers, Lawrie, no matter how much you want to convince yourself you've not been taken for a ride...one, Dominic Cummings, brains behind the "dumb idea" (his words) referendum leave campaign said: "Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.” The Spectator. It is funny how much revisionism has gone on over the last five years! Doesn't bode well for the rest of the sunlit uplands does it, when this central "metaphor" turns out to be complete bollocks. Let that 350mill go, nurses... Matters not one jot We achieved the liberation of this country From the tyrannical European yoke
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 9:17:06 GMT
Not just Remainers, Lawrie, no matter how much you want to convince yourself you've not been taken for a ride...one, Dominic Cummings, brains behind the "dumb idea" (his words) referendum leave campaign said: "Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.” The Spectator. It is funny how much revisionism has gone on over the last five years! Doesn't bode well for the rest of the sunlit uplands does it, when this central "metaphor" turns out to be complete bollocks. Let that 350mill go, nurses... Matters not one jot We achieved the liberation of this country From the tyrannical European yoke Some folk really have swallowed it whole! It matters not one jot whether what was central to the campaign turns out to be a load of old bollocks? Genuinely amazing what means some folk will put up with to justify the ends...given that the 350mill for the NHS has already been confirmed to be nonsense at the first hurdle, does it not concern you about the validity of all the other stuff they said? Or does none of that matter really?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 8, 2021 9:31:47 GMT
Matters not one jot We achieved the liberation of this country From the tyrannical European yoke Some folk really have swallowed it whole! It matters not one jot whether what was central to the campaign turns out to be a load of old bollocks? Genuinely amazing what means some folk will put up with to justify the ends...given that the 350mill for the NHS has already been confirmed to be nonsense at the first hurdle, does it not concern you about the validity of all the other stuff they said? Or does none of that matter really? I swallowed nothing whole I had my long standing reasons why I voted leave Contrary to the common belief of many remainers immigration and what was written on the side of a bus Were not two of them Anyone who was entirely swayed by a poster on a bus really needs to give there head a wobble
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 12:43:02 GMT
Some folk really have swallowed it whole! It matters not one jot whether what was central to the campaign turns out to be a load of old bollocks? Genuinely amazing what means some folk will put up with to justify the ends...given that the 350mill for the NHS has already been confirmed to be nonsense at the first hurdle, does it not concern you about the validity of all the other stuff they said? Or does none of that matter really? I swallowed nothing whole I had my long standing reasons why I voted leave Contrary to the common belief of many remainers immigration and what was written on the side of a bus Were not two of them Anyone who was entirely swayed by a poster on a bus really needs to give there head a wobble I agree with the last bit, but the following article doesn't really match up to the fact that people knew what they were voting for, does it... www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-brexit-lies-eu-pay-money-remain-poll-boris-johnson-a8603646.htmlI just find it a shame that all that money we're saving and apparently none of it is going to be used to improve the public services we rely on, as was indicated, including potentially using it to fund nurses' pay rises. Oh well, let any benefits of Brexit go, I guess...
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 8, 2021 13:00:03 GMT
I swallowed nothing whole I had my long standing reasons why I voted leave Contrary to the common belief of many remainers immigration and what was written on the side of a bus Were not two of them Anyone who was entirely swayed by a poster on a bus really needs to give there head a wobble I agree with the last bit, but the following article doesn't really match up to the fact that people knew what they were voting for, does it... www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-brexit-lies-eu-pay-money-remain-poll-boris-johnson-a8603646.htmlI just find it a shame that all that money we're saving and apparently none of it is going to be used to improve the public services we rely on, as was indicated, including potentially using it to fund nurses' pay rises. Oh well, let any benefits of Brexit go, I guess... I don’t think it’s really fair to judge where the money saved from the Eu payments is being spent until the country mainly recovers from the coronavirus pandemic I would suggest the money that was earmarked for certain things in the heat of a 2016 referendum Has had to be diverted to things like furlough and business support And without doubt the nhs has had to have a large injection of cash just to cope with covid
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 14:00:51 GMT
I don’t think it’s really fair to judge where the money saved from the Eu payments is being spent until the country mainly recovers from the coronavirus pandemic I would suggest the money that was earmarked for certain things in the heat of a 2016 referendum Has had to be diverted to things like furlough and business support And without doubt the nhs has had to have a large injection of cash just to cope with covid Correct - and all of that has been borrowed, to the tune of about £400bn so far. Which does beg the question - can they not borrow some more to give them a pay rise, or, failing that, use some of that £18.2bn a year every year Brexit dividend?
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Post by franklin on Mar 8, 2021 15:34:22 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already.
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Post by foster on Mar 8, 2021 23:45:48 GMT
1% is shit whichever way you want to put it. Whack it up to 5%.
Tax the highest earners more and increase the basic wages of nurses, police and other public sector workers on relatively low salaries.
Forget middle or upper management for the time being.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:03:06 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already. There is. But when one of the fundamental, and most influential, claims for voting Leave made during the campaign is put to the test, it's also completely pertinent to this thread. You know, if the govt had said we'll be using some of that 350mill a week to directly fund a 3% rise for nurses, even I would have applauded that as a direct Brexit benefit and evidence that they were upholding their campaign promises. But no... surely some of you Brexiteers must feel just the tiniest bit disappointed at this latest let down?
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 8:20:27 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already. There is. But when one of the fundamental, and most influential, claims for voting Leave made during the campaign is put to the test, it's also completely pertinent to this thread. You know, if the govt had said we'll be using some of that 350mill a week to directly fund a 3% rise for nurses, even I would have applauded that as a direct Brexit benefit and evidence that they were upholding their campaign promises. But no... surely some of you Brexiteers must feel just the tiniest bit disappointed at this latest let down? It is for you mate 👍 as are all the threads you post on.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 8:25:48 GMT
1% is shit whichever way you want to put it. Whack it up to 5%. Tax the highest earners more and increase the basic wages of nurses, police and other public sector workers on relatively low salaries. Forget middle or upper management for the time being. The classic example of get someone else to pay for it. Public sector workers historically have earned a little less as they were compensated by very good pension schemes and other benefits.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:26:49 GMT
There is. But when one of the fundamental, and most influential, claims for voting Leave made during the campaign is put to the test, it's also completely pertinent to this thread. You know, if the govt had said we'll be using some of that 350mill a week to directly fund a 3% rise for nurses, even I would have applauded that as a direct Brexit benefit and evidence that they were upholding their campaign promises. But no... surely some of you Brexiteers must feel just the tiniest bit disappointed at this latest let down? It is for you mate 👍 as are all the threads you post on. Not sure I've mentioned Brexit yet on the various royals thread but there's still time! Not bothered about the govt not using the Brexit dividend to actually fund the NHS?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 8:27:10 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already. The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well.....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:27:25 GMT
1% is shit whichever way you want to put it. Whack it up to 5%. Tax the highest earners more and increase the basic wages of nurses, police and other public sector workers on relatively low salaries. Forget middle or upper management for the time being. The classic example of get someone else to pay for it. Public sector workers historically have earned a little less as they were compensated by very good pension schemes and other benefits. Brexit can pay for it - 350mill a week, what's not to like about using that?
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 8:29:48 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already. The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well..... I get the impression he's obsessed he inserts brexit into every subject discussed 🙂
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:30:04 GMT
I thought there was a brexit thread already. The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well..... Really? I wonder what they hoped people would take from this... The cognitive dissonance hoops you must have to jump through to keep faith with this stuff are quite impressive I have to say!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:30:51 GMT
The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well..... I get the impression he's obsessed he inserts brexit into every subject discussed 🙂 Careful, you mustn't play the man, you know
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2021 8:33:45 GMT
I get the impression he's obsessed he inserts brexit into every subject discussed 🙂 Careful, you mustn't play the man, you know To be fair mate without brexit your post count would be 5 its not a dig its an observation 😊
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 9, 2021 8:35:01 GMT
The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well..... I get the impression he's obsessed he inserts brexit into every subject discussed 🙂 He will never get over it obviously used to always getting his own way, oh well never mind he will hopefully grow up one day.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 8:36:38 GMT
The £350m a week that was never actually promised as part of brexit is already put in as well..... I get the impression he's obsessed he inserts brexit into every subject discussed 🙂 I wouldn't know unless quoted I only ever see display post judging by the time of his posting relative to mine it seems I have triggered it again I am sure whatever he wrote was funny and informative
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2021 8:43:09 GMT
Careful, you mustn't play the man, you know To be fair mate without brexit your post count would be 5 its not a dig its an observation 😊 I'm only pulling your leg, franklin and indirectly taking the piss out of those who regularly pop up to say such things whenever someone they agree with is being challenged/disagreed with! Strikes me as perfectly pertinent to raise the issue of all that extra cash as a benefit of leaving the EU and to contrast the campaign claims of directing it to the NHS with the reality of nurses getting a measly 1% pay rise. I can see why ignoring that obvious "oops" moment would appeal. I mean, other than sticking it to foreigners (Brussels) wouldn't you actually like to see some tangible benefits of having left? Like I said, all it would've taken was for the govt to give them a better pay rise and say this is some of that 350mill a week coming to fruition and even people against Brexit would have said that's fair enough and a good use of it. Mustn't forget the clap on the doorstep, of course!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 14:22:24 GMT
Make Amazon and the like pay more taxes, then give those who deserve it a decent pay rise.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 17:17:04 GMT
Make Amazon and the like pay more taxes, then give those who deserve it a decent pay rise. Another one who wants someone else to pay......
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 9, 2021 17:22:47 GMT
Make Amazon and the like pay more taxes, then give those who deserve it a decent pay rise. They should get Amazon to give there employees decent conditions first
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 9, 2021 17:42:46 GMT
Make Amazon and the like pay more taxes, then give those who deserve it a decent pay rise. Another one who wants someone else to pay...... Yes! We shouldn't tax anyone to pay for public services! Public services should pay for themselves!
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 17:46:10 GMT
Another one who wants someone else to pay...... Yes! We shouldn't tax anyone to pay for public services! Public services should pay for themselves! Well that would be a perfect solution but there is an alternative to someone else paying more its me paying more, its you paying more, its the poster who wanted amazon to pay more tax paying more tax in short its all of us paying more tax.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 9, 2021 19:11:06 GMT
Yes! We shouldn't tax anyone to pay for public services! Public services should pay for themselves! Well that would be a perfect solution but there is an alternative to someone else paying more its me paying more, its you paying more, its the poster who wanted amazon to pay more tax paying more tax in short its all of us paying more tax. I mean, perhaps companies could just pay the right amount of tax? You know, do the moral thing? Put back into the countries and communities that have helped their owners become so wealthy?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 20:18:20 GMT
Well that would be a perfect solution but there is an alternative to someone else paying more its me paying more, its you paying more, its the poster who wanted amazon to pay more tax paying more tax in short its all of us paying more tax. I mean, perhaps companies could just pay the right amount of tax? You know, do the moral thing? Put back into the countries and communities that have helped their owners become so wealthy? Companies already pay the right amount of tax, do you actually think companies just decide how much they want to pay and hmrc just accepts it. If you want to look at amazon their tax bill is lowered by a combination of capital allowances on all these new hubs / warehouses they build and something to do with the employee bonus share scheme from memory, they sell massive volume at low profit margins and trade across countries, amazon might buy cds in germany store them in luxemburg and ship all over europe you decide how much profit they take on each stage there.
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