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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2021 16:48:41 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with what your saying. But we’re at an unprecedented time at the moment. Who knows what’s happening in the think tanks. I thought that was an essential message of the whole leave campaign. Seems like the first test in the post Brexit world of whether or not it really was a load of old bullshit has confirmed that it was. Anybody, apart from remainers, could see that the slogan on the bus was a figure of speech. We aren’t sending £350m a week to EU so let’s use it to fund our own public services was the real message. The literal interpretation that the £350m would be used to fund the NHS was something that "Remainers" used for months and months and now appears that the "rejoiners" are using the same to bash Brexit with now we’re out.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 7, 2021 17:20:13 GMT
All very emotional did you clap for my lady when she went to work everyday in a supermarket. The supermarkets have done very well out this pandemic. Maybe they should be committing to paying everyone the real living wage as a thank you instead of massive dividends for share holders? The supermarket's have done very well out of it but the staff are still at risk and my wife who was so paranoid about going to work at Morrisons was buying PPE her self and still contracted covid 19, we was really ill for 3 weeks but has made a full recovery without the need of any hospital treatment thankfully, me and my son didn't get it and I was tested as I too work in a key industry (water and waste water) and was negative, Morrisons were very good to my wife and she's back at work but still very much apprehensive. Back on topic I think the NHS is a fantastic institution and and have the upmost respect for the work they do and have nothing but praise for them and the work they do and have done over the last 12 months, however they did chose that profession and whilst I appreciate It's been an extremely tough year for everyone we have to get on with it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 7, 2021 17:22:56 GMT
The supermarkets have done very well out this pandemic. Maybe they should be committing to paying everyone the real living wage as a thank you instead of massive dividends for share holders? The supermarket's have done very well out of it but the staff are still at risk and my wife who was so paranoid about going to work at Morrisons was buying PPE her self and still contracted covid 19, we was really ill for 3 weeks but has made a full recovery without the need of any hospital treatment thankfully, me and my son didn't get it and I was tested as I too work in a key industry (water and waste water) and was negative, Morrisons were very good to my wife and she's back at work but still very much apprehensive. Back on topic I think the NHS is a fantastic institution and and have the upmost respect for the work they do and have nothing but praise for them and the work they do and have done over the last 12 months, however they did chose that profession and whilst I appreciate It's been an extremely tough year for everyone we have to get on with it. Excellent post. Well said. I think your words summarise a lot of peoples. Pleased your wife is on the mend.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2021 17:27:50 GMT
The supermarkets have done very well out this pandemic. Maybe they should be committing to paying everyone the real living wage as a thank you instead of massive dividends for share holders? The supermarket's have done very well out of it but the staff are still at risk and my wife who was so paranoid about going to work at Morrisons was buying PPE her self and still contracted covid 19, we was really ill for 3 weeks but has made a full recovery without the need of any hospital treatment thankfully, me and my son didn't get it and I was tested as I too work in a key industry (water and waste water) and was negative, Morrisons were very good to my wife and she's back at work but still very much apprehensive. Back on topic I think the NHS is a fantastic institution and and have the upmost respect for the work they do and have nothing but praise for them and the work they do and have done over the last 12 months, however they did chose that profession and whilst I appreciate It's been an extremely tough year for everyone we have to get on with it. Absolutely, the supermarket staff have been on the front line, when this pandemic kicked off and every idiot rushed out to buy 6 months worth of pasta and bog roll they were there with no protection trying to sort out a rabble and keep the shelves stacked and the tills ringing. And even in the last few months they continue to be subjected to selfish idiots who can't be arsed to wear a mask for 15 minutes as it infringes their civil liberties. Respect to them all.......
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Post by elystokie on Mar 7, 2021 17:31:42 GMT
The supermarket's have done very well out of it but the staff are still at risk and my wife who was so paranoid about going to work at Morrisons was buying PPE her self and still contracted covid 19, we was really ill for 3 weeks but has made a full recovery without the need of any hospital treatment thankfully, me and my son didn't get it and I was tested as I too work in a key industry (water and waste water) and was negative, Morrisons were very good to my wife and she's back at work but still very much apprehensive. Back on topic I think the NHS is a fantastic institution and and have the upmost respect for the work they do and have nothing but praise for them and the work they do and have done over the last 12 months, however they did chose that profession and whilst I appreciate It's been an extremely tough year for everyone we have to get on with it. Absolutely, the supermarket staff have been at the front line, when this pandemic kicked off and every idiot rushed out to buy 6 months worth of pasta and bog roll they were there with no protection trying to sort out a rabble and keep the shelves stacked and the tills ringing. And even in the last few months they continue to be subjected to selfish idiots who can't be arsed to wear a mask for 15 minutes as it infringes their civil liberties. Respect to them all....... Quite right, they also had to put up with aggressive dickheads (who were hopefully prosecuted and banned for life) that blamed the staff cos they couldn't have their favourite whatever it was or get enough pasta or bog rolls.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 7, 2021 18:20:13 GMT
I thought that was an essential message of the whole leave campaign. Seems like the first test in the post Brexit world of whether or not it really was a load of old bullshit has confirmed that it was. Anybody, apart from remainers, could see that the slogan on the bus was a figure of speech. We aren’t sending £350m a week to EU so let’s use it to fund our own public services was the real message. The literal interpretation that the £350m would be used to fund the NHS was something that "Remainers" used for months and months and now appears that the "rejoiners" are using the same to bash Brexit with now we’re out. You mean this message that the current prime minister was happy to point towards? I'm very confused by your conclusion about the real message! Are you saying, as you've written, that "We aren't sending £350m a week to the EU so let's use it [that sum that we aren't sending] to fund our own public services"? That makes no sense at all and directly contradicts what was pasted all over the side of it! If you meant that we are sending it to the EU, then, last time I checked nurses are employed in public services too, right? So, you've got two genuine conclusions: either the first test post-Brexit of using that £350mill a week to fund public services (including the NHS) has been failed, or one of the central tenets of the whole campaign was just a complete lie and they never intended to do anything to help public services with the £18.2bn a year which no longer goes to the EU. Which should make you wonder, but no doubt won't, how much of the rest of it is complete bollocks too? In all seriousness, I know everyone is firmly dug into their Brexit stance one way or the other, but this is such an obvious demonstration that so much of what was promised to get people to vote Leave was palpable nonsense it must make you think you've been just the tiniest bit played? Awaits let it go...
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Post by werrington on Mar 7, 2021 18:37:11 GMT
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Post by werrington on Mar 7, 2021 18:44:06 GMT
Those who are saying shop workers and drivers etc etc deserve a pay rise I couldn’t agree more as they too were frontline but the difference is they work for private companies so the difference is night and day
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Post by Davef on Mar 7, 2021 18:50:28 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2021 18:52:17 GMT
Those who are saying shop workers and drivers etc etc deserve a pay rise I couldn’t agree more as they too were frontline but the difference is they work for private companies so the difference is night and day Indeed the private companies who have and still are making vast profits from the virus can afford to give their staff a decent pay rise, the difference is the public purse has been more than emptied due to the virus so there is no money unfortunately for public sector workers, we have to go back to basics on our government spending so we can reward those public sector workers, charity begins at home more than ever we need to make that a reality.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2021 18:55:53 GMT
Are they not finally applying the rules though, these measures should have been used at the very start when thousands were "protesting" re. BLM with no social distancing etc. or should we just ignore law breakers ?
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Post by vokeswagen on Mar 7, 2021 19:02:31 GMT
Are they not finally applying the rules though, these measures should have been used at the very start when thousands were "protesting" re. BLM with no social distancing etc. or should we just ignore law breakers ? There were other protests too weren’t there fella, yet you happen to choose to highlight the one with more black people in it. Odd that...
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Post by mutters on Mar 7, 2021 19:05:00 GMT
I believe I have posted about this a few times on the Corona thread Even now aren't there 100 contracts not disclosed out of the 700 awarded? Absolutely scandalous and there needs to be a public enquiry over this If you donated to Tory party and / or knew Matt Hancock's number or drank in his local, you got the contract - enough said
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2021 19:35:00 GMT
Anybody, apart from remainers, could see that the slogan on the bus was a figure of speech. We aren’t sending £350m a week to EU so let’s use it to fund our own public services was the real message. The literal interpretation that the £350m would be used to fund the NHS was something that "Remainers" used for months and months and now appears that the "rejoiners" are using the same to bash Brexit with now we’re out. You mean this message that the current prime minister was happy to point towards? I'm very confused by your conclusion about the real message! Are you saying, as you've written, that "We aren't sending £350m a week to the EU so let's use it [that sum that we aren't sending] to fund our own public services"? That makes no sense at all and directly contradicts what was pasted all over the side of it! If you meant that we are sending it to the EU, then, last time I checked nurses are employed in public services too, right? So, you've got two genuine conclusions: either the first test post-Brexit of using that £350mill a week to fund public services (including the NHS) has been failed, or one of the central tenets of the whole campaign was just a complete lie and they never intended to do anything to help public services with the £18.2bn a year which no longer goes to the EU. Which should make you wonder, but no doubt won't, how much of the rest of it is complete bollocks too? In all seriousness, I know everyone is firmly dug into their Brexit stance one way or the other, but this is such an obvious demonstration that so much of what was promised to get people to vote Leave was palpable nonsense it must make you think you've been just the tiniest bit played? Awaits let it go... I’m sorry you’ve lost me there and don’t get why you so confused. But I’ll put it simply .....The message on the side of the bus was a metaphor, figure of speech, simile whatever you want to call it saying that, instead of sending it to the EU, we would have £350m a week to spend on public services. Unfortunately remainers decided to take it literally as £350m a week extra for the NHS. Oh and incase you haven’t noticed the economy is in tatters at present due to a pandemic so it’s hardly surprising your little test has failed.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2021 19:38:30 GMT
I believe I have posted about this a few times on the Corona thread Even now aren't there 100 contracts not disclosed out of the 700 awarded? Absolutely scandalous and there needs to be a public enquiry over this If you donated to Tory party and / or knew Matt Hancock's number or drank in his local, you got the contract - enough said It's scandalous they need locking up Tory bastards.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 7, 2021 20:12:04 GMT
You mean this message that the current prime minister was happy to point towards? I'm very confused by your conclusion about the real message! Are you saying, as you've written, that "We aren't sending £350m a week to the EU so let's use it [that sum that we aren't sending] to fund our own public services"? That makes no sense at all and directly contradicts what was pasted all over the side of it! If you meant that we are sending it to the EU, then, last time I checked nurses are employed in public services too, right? So, you've got two genuine conclusions: either the first test post-Brexit of using that £350mill a week to fund public services (including the NHS) has been failed, or one of the central tenets of the whole campaign was just a complete lie and they never intended to do anything to help public services with the £18.2bn a year which no longer goes to the EU. Which should make you wonder, but no doubt won't, how much of the rest of it is complete bollocks too? In all seriousness, I know everyone is firmly dug into their Brexit stance one way or the other, but this is such an obvious demonstration that so much of what was promised to get people to vote Leave was palpable nonsense it must make you think you've been just the tiniest bit played? Awaits let it go... I’m sorry you’ve lost me there and don’t get why you so confused. But I’ll put it simply .....The message on the side of the bus was a metaphor, figure of speech, simile whatever you want to call it saying that, instead of sending it to the EU, we would have £350m a week to spend on public services. Unfortunately remainers decided to take it literally as £350m a week extra for the NHS. Oh and incase you haven’t noticed the economy is in tatters at present due to a pandemic so it’s hardly surprising your little test has failed. Oh, it was a metaphor! Despite it spelling it out clearly on the bus and billboards everywhere, it was just a metaphor for what they might choose to do...! I must remember that next time I read or hear anything that comes out of Boris's mouth - don't take it as actually meaning anything substantive. To be fair, that's sound advice, Lawrie!
Shame though, as the nurses payrise in comparison is just a drop in the ocean really. 299,184 nurses in the NHS as of Dec last year. The weekly rise as a result of a 1% increase for a nurse on average pay is £6.42 or roughly £100m annually. An additional £100m annually compared to a Brexit dividend of £350mill a week, completely unrelated to how the economy is doing. Seems pretty affordable... Oh well, guess the NHS will just have to let that £350mill a week go...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2021 20:25:14 GMT
I’m sorry you’ve lost me there and don’t get why you so confused. But I’ll put it simply .....The message on the side of the bus was a metaphor, figure of speech, simile whatever you want to call it saying that, instead of sending it to the EU, we would have £350m a week to spend on public services. Unfortunately remainers decided to take it literally as £350m a week extra for the NHS. Oh and incase you haven’t noticed the economy is in tatters at present due to a pandemic so it’s hardly surprising your little test has failed. Oh, it was a metaphor! Despite it spelling it out clearly on the bus and billboards everywhere, it was just a metaphor for what they might choose to do...! I must remember that next time I read or hear anything that comes out of Boris's mouth - don't take it as actually meaning anything substantive. To be fair, that's sound advice, Lawrie!
Shame though, as the nurses payrise in comparison is just a drop in the ocean really. 299,184 nurses in the NHS as of Dec last year. The weekly rise as a result of a 1% increase for a nurse on average pay is £6.42 or roughly £100m annually. An additional £100m annually compared to a Brexit dividend of £350mill a week, completely unrelated to how the economy is doing. Seems pretty affordable... Oh well, guess the NHS will just have to let that £350mill a week go... As I said remainers taking the slogan literally for months and months after the referendum and still trying to make something out of it over 1 year after we left the EU,......I rest my case
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 21:27:31 GMT
You might be better off reading the national audit office report rather than what Sharon or Dave say on facebook. There's not a company in the uk that has experience of setting up a test and trace system nevermind on the scale the uk has, the majority of the £37 billion to be spent on track and trace has yet to be spent, the majority of the spend is on testing, the actual kits, transporting them around the country and to laboratories to be analysed, thats before you get into the IT systems etc. Serco who I presume you are referring too account for something like 1-2% of the total spend mostly on managing test sites, mobile test sites and call tracing, the figures I have seen on test and trace suggest the uk's is now right up there but that doesnt fit the narrative of course, the biggest failing / problem with T&T is people not giving genuine contact details or answering the phone / responding when called and that wouldn't change whether you had someone on minimum wage from serco or florance nightingale making the calls.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 7, 2021 21:33:32 GMT
You might be better off reading the national audit office report rather than what Sharon or Dave say on facebook. There's not a company in the uk that has experience of setting up a test and trace system nevermind on the scale the uk has, the majority of the £37 billion to be spent on track and trace has yet to be spent, the majority of the spend is on testing, the actual kits, transporting them around the country and to laboratories to be analysed, thats before you get into the IT systems etc. Serco who I presume you are referring too account for something like 1-2% of the total spend mostly on managing test sites, mobile test sites and call tracing, the figures I have seen on test and trace suggest the uk's is now right up there but that doesnt fit the narrative of course, the biggest failing / problem with T&T is people not giving genuine contact details or answering the phone / responding when called and that wouldn't change whether you had someone on minimum wage from serco or florance nightingale making the calls. I think they call that checkmate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2021 21:39:44 GMT
You might be better off reading the national audit office report rather than what Sharon or Dave say on facebook. There's not a company in the uk that has experience of setting up a test and trace system nevermind on the scale the uk has, the majority of the £37 billion to be spent on track and trace has yet to be spent, the majority of the spend is on testing, the actual kits, transporting them around the country and to laboratories to be analysed, thats before you get into the IT systems etc. Serco who I presume you are referring too account for something like 1-2% of the total spend mostly on managing test sites, mobile test sites and call tracing, the figures I have seen on test and trace suggest the uk's is now right up there but that doesnt fit the narrative of course, the biggest failing / problem with T&T is people not giving genuine contact details or answering the phone / responding when called and that wouldn't change whether you had someone on minimum wage from serco or florance nightingale making the calls. 'Hello, good evening and welcome once again to another edition of 'Defend the Indefensible' and for the tenth year in a row, here's your champion, followyoudown'!
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 21:44:17 GMT
Good thread here explains alot more about the payrises and how 1% is not actually 1%. Interesting stuff that and balances things out a bit. The problem with a lot of discussions on here are that they just turn into posters favouring the left just looking to Tory bash. This sort of article will just be dismissed as a Tory rag ignoring the facts and favouring the right. As I said earlier usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. The problem is when people’s views are so deeply entrenched they will never waver whilst the likes of the Guardian or the Mail are there to fuel their fire with “true” stories. All fair truths the even bigger truth is that almost everyone is in favour of spending if they think someone else will be taxed for it, the corp tax rise is very popular (even though it may not work) because most people think it wont affect them, they might get a shock when they get next years payrise or see the prices they pay for things..... If we want to start paying for more things, we will all have to pay more tax which I don't mind doing but at least lets stop the pretence someone else will pay. On the NHS there was a report saying they have £83 billion of outstanding negligence claims and face paying out £4.3 billion in legal fees alone surely its time to do something about this and stop the gravy train for the many chancers and their lawyers whilst ensuring genuine cases are still taken care of.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 21:47:01 GMT
You might be better off reading the national audit office report rather than what Sharon or Dave say on facebook. There's not a company in the uk that has experience of setting up a test and trace system nevermind on the scale the uk has, the majority of the £37 billion to be spent on track and trace has yet to be spent, the majority of the spend is on testing, the actual kits, transporting them around the country and to laboratories to be analysed, thats before you get into the IT systems etc. Serco who I presume you are referring too account for something like 1-2% of the total spend mostly on managing test sites, mobile test sites and call tracing, the figures I have seen on test and trace suggest the uk's is now right up there but that doesnt fit the narrative of course, the biggest failing / problem with T&T is people not giving genuine contact details or answering the phone / responding when called and that wouldn't change whether you had someone on minimum wage from serco or florance nightingale making the calls. 'Hello, good evening and welcome once again to another edition of 'Defend the Indefensible' and for the tenth year in a row, here's your champion, followyoudown'! I think you and presty won a few years defending racist jezza but by the by, the national audit office is independent its not all pats on the back try reading the report it gives actual facts which I know you always find inconvenient.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2021 21:49:17 GMT
'Hello, good evening and welcome once again to another edition of 'Defend the Indefensible' and for the tenth year in a row, here's your champion, followyoudown'! I think you and presty won a few years defending racist jezza but by the by, the national audit office is independent its not all pats on the back try reading the report it gives actual facts which I know you always find inconvenient. At least there is still some humanity around in this world.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 21:58:38 GMT
I think you and presty won a few years defending racist jezza but by the by, the national audit office is independent its not all pats on the back try reading the report it gives actual facts which I know you always find inconvenient. At least there is still some humanity around in this world. He wont charge them but he will charge the taxpayer if he is successful I am sure how very noble of him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2021 22:05:36 GMT
At least there is still some humanity around in this world. He wont charge them but he will charge the taxpayer if he is successful I am sure how very noble of him. Fuck me you aren't going down that route mate after we all had to pay our taxes to 'form a square around the Pritster' this week are you?!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 7, 2021 22:36:53 GMT
I think you and presty won a few years defending racist jezza but by the by, the national audit office is independent its not all pats on the back try reading the report it gives actual facts which I know you always find inconvenient. At least there is still some humanity around in this world. Any protestor that’s happy to risk spreading Covid and putting pressure on the NHS? After a year of hell for the doctors and nurses just as we’re getting Covid under control. What a guy. Stinks of hypocrisy
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 22:47:22 GMT
He wont charge them but he will charge the taxpayer if he is successful I am sure how very noble of him. Fuck me you aren't going down that route mate after we all had to pay our taxes to 'form a square around the Pritster' this week are you?! We do but thats utterly irrelevant to you bigging up some lawyer offering to defend for free people who unneccessarily increased the health threat to police officers as cobham points out.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2021 22:48:30 GMT
He wont charge them but he will charge the taxpayer if he is successful I am sure how very noble of him. Fuck me you aren't going down that route mate after we all had to pay our taxes to 'form a square around the Pritster' this week are you?! Worth every penny don't you like her because she is not white ? she has more balls than the whole of the Labour Party put together, our first ethnic PM
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2021 22:50:54 GMT
Fuck me you aren't going down that route mate after we all had to pay our taxes to 'form a square around the Pritster' this week are you?! Worth every penny don't you like her because she is not white ? she has more balls than the whole of the Labour Party put together, our first ethnic PM Shame she's not our first 'Siek' PM really
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2021 23:06:09 GMT
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