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Post by ted1965 on Mar 4, 2021 13:11:52 GMT
As another poor result hit the headlines many started clamouring for a change of manager yet my question is simple to those who want more change who exactly do you want as manager for Stoke City?
I will say last night we were cheated out of a point there is no other word for it no matter who might try and white wash the events but Naughton cheated for a penalty and it needs to be eradicated from football it’s those unsavoury moments that costs teams their league position and managers their jobs. Naughton should be called out as a cheat and castigated as such. It makes you laugh diving has been part of football for as long as I can remember but if you listen to the pundits it’s a foreigner thing solid British players just don’t do it.
We need to be honest about what exactly would happen if MON departs Stoke City for pastures new the board will sit down and once more put together a very dull and safe short list of candidates from which they will choose his successor.
He won’t bring free flowing football to the Bet 365 merely more of the same. The short list is very unlikely to include young hungry foreign coaches as look at who we have appointed over the last number of appointments the same think tank who brought you Lambert, Rowett, Jones and yes MON will be recruiting the new manager should MON leave for whatever reason.
So who would those candidates be and what criteria would we be searching for, British experienced knows the league will be pretty much it, if we looked at a foreign manager or coach he would have to have worked in Britain because that’s our MO when it comes to managers.
So I ask the disaffected, tell me your choice for a short list or candidate for the job that isn’t available.
If you can convince me that the committee of managerial choice would consider a Bielsa like figure or a young hungry manager wanting to prove his worth from abroad I will sign up right now but I don’t believe for one moment it will happen and therefore MON is unlikely to be leaving at the end of the season.
Hughton, Allardyce, Warnock would all be on the boards wish list but all are in management McCarthy ditto some have mentioned Paul Cook will he’s gone off the list now, so who would be on the list now if one needed to be made.
Of those foreign managers who have done reasonably well in England how many would actually look more than once at us.
I agree with many that the football is tepid right now too slow players seem almost frightened to go beyond the man with the ball at times which forces the player to pass sideways or back it seems too many of our players lack appreciation of space when it comes to attacking. The cronic lack of pace within the side is killing any chance of more progressive football at the moment and the manager must sort it out before next season begins.
The midfield has so many players who can do the same thing but we lack real creativity Powell apart that needs to addressed also the combinations are wrong when your midfielders do the same things equally well but also do the wrong things equally badly you get a midfield which doesn’t function in creating chances.
We have been spoiled over the last 13 years 10 of which were memorable being spent in the Premier league we had some wonderful memories but the history of the club since the mid 80’s has been one of stagnation interrupted by short periods of hope in reality we have spent 10 years in the top league from 37 if you want to use statistics alone to judge events.
So for all those who may say I am letting MON off lightly not at all he needs to improve the results and the football but there are many more issues to improve at Stoke City right now on and off the field.
I would like to see some of the younger players given a run out as in reality we have only a mathematical chance of the play offs in reality that ship has sailed and is out of reach unless we win every game from here on in and on present form that’s about as likely Paris Hilton becoming a nun and declaring she is still a virgin.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 4, 2021 13:17:22 GMT
How depressingly true.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 4, 2021 13:18:28 GMT
let face it if he left this afternoon Peter would be rubbing his spectacular dong over TP and i bet he would come
question is how many of us would go back to watch TP ball
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 13:20:20 GMT
So he’s resoundingly shit but we can’t do better? 😄
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 13:21:15 GMT
I’d gamble on anyone that had ever watched a live bull fight
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 4, 2021 13:22:35 GMT
So he’s resoundingly shit but we can’t do better? 😄 Who’d take it? He would be walking head first into a shit show. Twelve players out loan, thirteen players about to enter their final year and no money for new players. |
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 4, 2021 13:31:15 GMT
I don’t want him to go, however. It would have to be Paul Cook wouldn’t it?
I don’t know enough about anyone else, but he’s certainly the first one that came to mind.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 13:33:50 GMT
So he’s resoundingly shit but we can’t do better? 😄 Who’d take it? They are walking head first into a shit show. Twelve players out loan, thirteen players about to enter their final year and no money for new players. Nothing wrong with the process though  |
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 13:34:57 GMT
There is no way on this earth the board are even thinking about replacing him. The only scenario where he would be gone is if Celtic come sniffing, which they won't..
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Post by ted1965 on Mar 4, 2021 13:49:06 GMT
I don't think he is going anywhere unless something dramatic happens and I don't think he should based just on the last few months he does have work to do but some seem to want another change.
Cook is at Ipswich now so he isn't available.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 4, 2021 13:52:58 GMT
Phil Parkinson is available......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 13:54:53 GMT
I would make Shawcross' stay in the US a short one.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 4, 2021 14:07:52 GMT
I don’t want him to go, however. It would have to be Paul Cook wouldn’t it? I don’t know enough about anyone else, but he’s certainly the first one that came to mind. Cooks just taken the Ipswich job. Lamberts available now though? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2021 14:50:55 GMT
In a really sick way, I'd love it if O'Neill upped and left.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 14:55:38 GMT
MON is not a quitter, if Celtic came in then he might consider it, but I imagine he sees Stoke as a long term project.. the board won't sack him or part company anytime soon and nor should they.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 4, 2021 14:58:04 GMT
Cristian Fiél would be an excellent choice. I personally know almost nothing about him but he he dresses like a hipster on the touchline and is foreign so that guarantees at least a play off place......
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 4, 2021 15:00:23 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous to even question it. The form is diabolical but from where we were, if MON doesn’t deserve a dip then who the friggin hell does?
If we are carrying the same form into next season then ask questions.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 15:06:04 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous to even question it. The form is diabolical but from where we were, if MON doesn’t deserve a dip then who the friggin hell does? If we are carrying the same form into next season then ask questions. A dip ? 3 in 20 is hardly a dip more like a deep sea exploration. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 15:06:09 GMT
Whether you want MON gone or stay,there isn't realy anyone avaliable at the moment, we can't afford to bring in a manager from another club, the ones who are out of work are out of work for a reason, the Board wont look abroad for a manager, so its MON for the foreseeable future, like it or lump it.
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Post by march4 on Mar 4, 2021 15:08:13 GMT
Warnock.
McCarthy
Bruce
Pulis.
No one else should be considered if MON leaves in the next few months.
We need discipline and experience.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2021 15:10:25 GMT
Warnock. McCarthy Bruce Pulis. No one else should be considered if MON leaves in the next few months. We need discipline and experience. You are nothing if not predictable I'll give you that!  |
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Post by Gods on Mar 4, 2021 15:20:55 GMT
There is no way on this earth the board are even thinking about replacing him. The only scenario where he would be gone is if Celtic come sniffing, which they won't.. Yes , not an earthly we'll replace him, Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones, MON, a new man would be the 6th in just over 3 years, not a chance of it. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 4, 2021 15:23:33 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous to even question it. The form is diabolical but from where we were, if MON doesn’t deserve a dip then who the friggin hell does? If we are carrying the same form into next season then ask questions. A dip ? 3 in 20 is hardly a dip more like a deep sea exploration. That’s a bit short sited. For starters we are nowhere near the bottom and 3 in 20 looks much worse when you don’t include the draws. It has been a terrible run though, no doubt. When you think MON and the owners will be looking at a much bigger picture of four or five seasons, then yes, it is a dip. But yeah, let’s just sack him at the first sign of trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 15:24:11 GMT
I would make Shawcross' stay in the US a short one. Beyond laughable. |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 4, 2021 15:27:43 GMT
Well we've done the Celtic Triple Crown of Scottish, Welsh and Irish gaffers so are there any up and coming Manx or Cornish managers out there?
You can rule out Brittany as they're French.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 15:29:58 GMT
A dip ? 3 in 20 is hardly a dip more like a deep sea exploration. That’s a bit short sited. For starters we are nowhere near the bottom and 3 in 20 looks much worse when you don’t include the draws. It has been a terrible run though, no doubt. When you think MON and the owners will be looking at a much bigger picture of four or five seasons, then yes, it is a dip. But yeah, let’s just sack him at the first sign of trouble. Not sure he will get anywhere near five seasons when fans return the pressure will intensify watching the dross he is putting out. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 4, 2021 15:32:54 GMT
Warnock. McCarthy Bruce Pulis. No one else should be considered if MON leaves in the next few months. We need discipline and experience. You are nothing if not predictable I'll give you that! We’ve steered away from this path four times now when it is the obvious solution. Three appointments have been utter disasters and the fourth one looks like it could be too big a task for a decent man with good knowledge. If anyone else is our manager at the start of next season we will be relegated. The only way to stop this change is for MON to stop the rot and show a decent run of points before the season ends. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 4, 2021 15:33:07 GMT
Warnock. McCarthy Bruce Pulis. No one else should be considered if MON leaves in the next few months. We need discipline and experience. Disappointed you've now moved onto countenancing non-Pulis options, March. Surely it should be TP back, with Salif as Assistant and Mama as first team coach? Anything else would be a nonsense! |
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Post by gawa on Mar 4, 2021 15:37:59 GMT
Warnock. McCarthy Bruce Pulis. No one else should be considered if MON leaves in the next few months. We need discipline and experience. Would any of the above be interested in managing Stoke though given the current FFP constraints. I think it would be difficult to attract a manager who has proven experience of getting promoted from this league in our current circumstances. I suppose for any managers out off contract we may have a chance but not sure if they'd be committed long term. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 4, 2021 15:51:01 GMT
That’s a bit short sited. For starters we are nowhere near the bottom and 3 in 20 looks much worse when you don’t include the draws. It has been a terrible run though, no doubt. When you think MON and the owners will be looking at a much bigger picture of four or five seasons, then yes, it is a dip. But yeah, let’s just sack him at the first sign of trouble. Not sure he will get anywhere near five seasons when fans return the pressure will intensify watching the dross he is putting out. We’ll see what happens won’t we. Not going anywhere now, discussing it is needless negativity in my opinion. |
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