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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 13, 2021 19:41:50 GMT
We need someone to shout gooooaaaarrrrn Jacob and some naked guy head butting
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 13, 2021 19:42:45 GMT
Even if we could bring in Pep or the leaping gnome at Liverpool, we can't buy anyone and this loan thing is overly-competitive. Doesn't FFP also limit us on what we can pay a new manager candidate?
If we're just going to limit ourselves to the same list of re-tread candidates then I vote no. If we just HAVE to? Then it needs to be someone who can also manage in the PL or we're just creating another turnover in the future. Attracting one of those right now sounds impossible, but I would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 13, 2021 19:46:13 GMT
Some of these threads will make some of our supporters look complete and utter muppets next season in my opinion Why? Because I think it will come good
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 13, 2021 19:47:13 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 13, 2021 19:49:59 GMT
Because I think it will come good Already this season you have admitted we will need to sell and raise money this summer because of FFP. Whenever a player worth any kind of money is mentioned about signing for us, and duly debunked, you are the firt to mention 'FFP' to people who are throwing wobblers.
The manager this season has proven he can't manage under these restrictions and probably won't until 2022 until the log jam is eased.
So, how and why do you think it will come good next season? What do you see changing?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 13, 2021 19:54:44 GMT
Because I think it will come good Already this season you have admitted we will need to sell and raise money this summer because of FFP. Whenever a player worth any kind of money is mentioned about signing for us, and duly debunked, you are the firt to mention 'FFP' to people who are throwing wobblers.
The manager this season has proven he can't manage under these restrictions and probably won't until 2022 until the log jam is eased.
So, how and why do you think it will come good next season? What do you see changing?
Yes I think it will be difficult under the restrictions he’s going to have to work under but he’ll have another season under his belt also.I think his comment post match today about physicality is an inkling into which way he’ll be going rather than loans for unproven young weak players
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 13, 2021 20:01:10 GMT
Already this season you have admitted we will need to sell and raise money this summer because of FFP. Whenever a player worth any kind of money is mentioned about signing for us, and duly debunked, you are the firt to mention 'FFP' to people who are throwing wobblers.
The manager this season has proven he can't manage under these restrictions and probably won't until 2022 until the log jam is eased.
So, how and why do you think it will come good next season? What do you see changing?
Yes I think it will be difficult under the restrictions he’s going to have to work under but he’ll have another season under his belt also.I think his comment post match today about physicality is an inkling into which way he’ll be going rather than loans for unproven young weak players He said that last season though and into last summer. He talked about physicality with his new signings. After the Wigan game he talked about the dressing room and seeing things he didn't like and that he would change things. We're seeing performances plateau at best. He's also said recently that 24-28 year old players will be out of our reach financially.
I'm not calling for his head and I really hope you are spot on, but I just don't see things changing that quickly.
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Post by yyy on Mar 13, 2021 20:06:53 GMT
If anybody thinks MON would get us out of this league is fucked up in the head.. mediocre championship team.. face the facts.. another year of MON is another year wasted If this is the case who do we bring in that makes us promotion candidates for next season? I think we have missed the boat in appointing somebody proven to get us out of the league although I would like to know though why we didn't do that when we were relegated with a lot of money to spend on players. What we need to be careful of is being so eager to get out of the league we don't end up sacking a whole host of managers who don't bring instant success and end up going out of the league in the opposite direction. On our current budget we are going to be signing another hopeful, the wrong managerial signing though could be disaster that plummets us to the depths of League 1. Not so long ago we thought league 1 was inevitable until O'Neil come in, he still has another seasons credit in the bank for me and with Collins, Campbell, Dougherty all in the team plus another couple of attacking signings and a central player we could easily morph into a very decent team for this division for next season. I'd rather stick with O'Neil myself to see what he can do with a full strength team and another summer of signings, we are due some good ones, it has to be said
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 13, 2021 20:27:15 GMT
Yes I think it will be difficult under the restrictions he’s going to have to work under but he’ll have another season under his belt also.I think his comment post match today about physicality is an inkling into which way he’ll be going rather than loans for unproven young weak players He said that last season though and into last summer. He talked about physicality with his new signings. After the Wigan game he talked about the dressing room and seeing things he didn't like and that he would change things. We're seeing performances plateau at best. He's also said recently that 24-28 year old players will be out of our reach financially.
I'm not calling for his head and I really hope you are spot on, but I just don't see things changing that quickly.
Yes he’s certainly said a lot in his time here for sure but his analogy yesterday about driving the formula one car at 30mph says all we need to know. I hope you’re wrong with your last sentence because patience is the key for me and a change of manager at this time certainly wouldn’t help matters either for me
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2021 20:28:03 GMT
I wouldn’t get rid but I’d go for Lampard or Terry. We need a modern manager with connections because we haven’t got any money. Or a manager who knows football inside out and can pick the bargains.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2021 21:47:14 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is.
An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?)
Foreign option (next to no chance)
Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically
Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield.
I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 14, 2021 0:39:57 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is. An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?) Foreign option (next to no chance) Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield. I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think Artell is doing a great job at Crewe but he'd be useless here. Why do you think Wilder would be a no chance? I think he'd jump at it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 14, 2021 8:12:12 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is. An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?) Foreign option (next to no chance) Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield. I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think Artell is doing a great job at Crewe but he'd be useless here. Why do you think Wilder would be a no chance? I think he'd jump at it. Mail claim he's already on the shortlist for Palace and West Brom www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9354567/Chris-Wilders-future-discussed-Sheffield-United.htmlm.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/26752646And he's currently favourite for Celtic Not sure he'd actually get any of those jobs - but he'll be thinking he can. And I think it'd take quite a while before he lowered his sights to a mid-table Champ job hamstrung by FFP?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 14, 2021 8:20:48 GMT
I there there aren't many realistic candidates available. And tbh we need to stick with someone. MON might not be the man to deliver us premier league footballer but sticking with him for a while may bring us closer to it.
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 14, 2021 9:48:05 GMT
Some of these threads will make some of our supporters look complete and utter muppets next season in my opinion It could also be you and a few others that could look utter muppets also
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 14, 2021 9:48:27 GMT
I think O’Neil deserves this season and all being well next
But if he did leave I’d go for Lampard, failing that Paul Cook
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 14, 2021 9:54:14 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is. An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?) Foreign option (next to no chance) Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield. I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think Where you thinking of getting the bus from mate
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Post by professorplump on Mar 14, 2021 10:46:34 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is. An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?) Foreign option (next to no chance) Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield. I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think After what happened with Nathan Jones, I don't think the board would risk another up and coming manager from the lower leagues. They would look for an experienced out of work British manager with experience of the Championship. I think we would be looking at the likes of Neil Harris, Neil Lennon, Garry Monk, Chris Coleman or Nigel Adkins. I don't think MON's job is in any immediate danger and he will be given next season unless we get into serious relegation trouble.
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Post by magwitch on Mar 14, 2021 12:48:03 GMT
How about Graham Potter? Angela Smith doesn't like him because of his name, therefore must be good.
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Post by cdf on Mar 14, 2021 12:58:04 GMT
Personally, I think Wilder would jump at the chance of coming to Stoke
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 14, 2021 13:03:03 GMT
There's no way on earth he'll get a Premier league job, the best he can hope for is a big championship club with a reasonable chance of promotion and we're still seen as that by most.
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Post by stormin on Mar 14, 2021 13:40:49 GMT
Pulis (no chance) Neil (no chance after last time) Pearson (will stay at Bristol City long-term) Warnock (just re-signed at Boro) McCarthy (at Cardiff long-term) Cook (Ipswich) Cowley (not really) Lampard (very doubtful. He'll want his next job to be one where he can succeed as he's probably only got one more shot while he's got a bit of stardust about him) Terry (maybe - he'd be a name people would point to as the most available name with a bit of stardust. Total punt though. May be as bad as Thierry Henry?) Laudrup (basically retired) Jokanovic (leaving his club this summer, but turned us down when we were far more attractive) Bilic (very unlikely, don't really rate him anyway) Wilder (no chance) Howe (no chance) Hasselbaink? Doing great at Burton again, but failed badly at QPR and Northampton? Just shows what a lottery it is. An in-work League 1 or League 2 manager (after Nath? Can't see it. They'd all be absolute punts. Has anyone got any names? Ryan Lowe was a name people were mentioning with Champ jobs last year, but Plymouth on nightmare run now. Artell? Appleton?) Foreign option (next to no chance) Even if we lost the next 20 and MON's position became untenable (or if he got knocked over by a bus tomorrow), I've no idea where we'd look, realistically Until 2022, we're about as attractive as QPR or Huddersfield. I don't think it'll be a question until next autumn though. If we're still looking like this in about October, that'll probably when we see the first Coates murmurings I think
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Post by stormin on Mar 14, 2021 13:48:14 GMT
O'Neil is the envy of many other teams, until he has blooded more under 23's and got rid of the millstone dross we will play football and achieve a secure position in the league, the problem at Stoke was when relegated non of the first team had played well enough to justify another top team wanting to buy them. One manager I rate is Joey Barton, I know he was a gob shite player, but if real life he is very intelligent manager and similar in character to Brian Clough.
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Post by northernstokie on Mar 14, 2021 14:12:50 GMT
Personally, I think Wilder would jump at the chance of coming to Stoke I think he would too as we have owners that are not trigger happy and I feel he likes the stability to build a team his way
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 14, 2021 16:52:41 GMT
Personally, I think Wilder would jump at the chance of coming to Stoke I think he would too as we have owners that are not trigger happy and I feel he likes the stability to build a team his way We hadn't used to be trigger happy , but Wilder would be our 5th.manager in under 3 years
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 14, 2021 16:58:46 GMT
Because we made so many bad choices in a short period of time.
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Post by northernstokie on Mar 14, 2021 19:46:04 GMT
I think he would too as we have owners that are not trigger happy and I feel he likes the stability to build a team his way We hadn't used to be trigger happy , but Wilder would be our 5th.manager in under 3 years We still are not though even Jones got longer than he should of and O'Neil would of been sacked by any other club since Campbell got injured
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