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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 18, 2021 18:18:00 GMT
Jones, Ball or Little for me That 98/99 season under Little was painful Little started well didn't he but man we were absolutely diabolical as time went on. Yeah he started well but if memory serves we were lucky in a lot of those games. Millwall at home is one that springs to mind. My only really good memory of that season is the 4-3 win at Preston. And even in that we were shocking for the first hour
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 18, 2021 18:18:55 GMT
Bayernoatcake has the potential
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Post by bingbang on Feb 18, 2021 18:37:31 GMT
Pulis ( second time )😀
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 18, 2021 18:38:46 GMT
George Burley anyone...
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Post by lancashirelad on Feb 18, 2021 18:50:25 GMT
Chris Kamara by a whisker as in my time we have had several poor ones.
Slightly off topic the worst care taker manager David Kevan.
The opposite the best i have seen Waddington, Durban (1st time) Macari (1st time) and Pulis (2nd time).
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 18, 2021 22:42:56 GMT
Bayernoatcake has the potential In fairness he's never lost a match - and spending no money too! 👍
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 19, 2021 0:25:56 GMT
Rowett without a doubt, two reasons spring to mind, one for wasting massive amounts of money on really average players and financially putting us in the shit for years to come, two, he's just a C@#T
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2021 0:58:37 GMT
Really quite surprised at the number of mentions for Rowett, given what came before and after him. He doesn't even get into the worst three of the last five years if we include the end of LMH's reign!
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2021 1:00:42 GMT
No takers for a certain M D Mills MBE?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 1:08:37 GMT
No takers for a certain M D Mills MBE? We were exciting for that brief spell and looked a good side. Signed some good players also. Did we win 7 on the bounce at home?
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 19, 2021 1:11:28 GMT
Ball, Jordan, Bates, Kamara, Little, Quiterill (results weren't great and left us in a mess, but moreso for his departure), Lambert, Rowett, Jones - so many poor managers (and that's just over the last 30 years!! But who is the worst of the lot? In my opinion it has to be Mad Nath with Ball a close second. To have half a season as a free hit to prepare for the following season then to take us so far backwards through a mix of poor recruitment, adherence to a system that clearly didn't work, atrocious man management, bullshit and excuses every week followed by a mask of bravado that failed to hide his ineptness. 8 points from 14 with a team that was expected to challenge up the right end wasn't just relegation form, but an embarrassment - honestly think he had stayed the season, we would have been down by February and struggling to stay up in league 1. What MON achieved with the same group was nothing short of a miracle The common theme here is, maybe, the people who employed all of the above. They were very close to taking us to tier 3 footy for the third time under their guidance. Which for a club of Stoke's size and the money they have ploughed in takes some doing Their solution to Nathan was to employ a manager who was doing community service trying to get a driving ban reduced, whose only football league experience being Shamrock Rovers all while letting him do it on a part-time basis, in the beginning, while we were at the foot of the table and in need of urgent attention - feckin shocking does not come into it really does it. Every now and then they get lucky as we did with Pulis and we are doing ok with MON - let's give him time because, as you say, he has performed miracles since being here, but also because the alternative is another Coates family utter feck up of an appointment. I have been a supporter for over 50 years and nothing sends a shiver down my spine more than the thought of another utterly uninspiring absolute catastrophic xenophobic Coates family appointment
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 7:10:36 GMT
Really quite surprised at the number of mentions for Rowett, given what came before and after him. He doesn't even get into the worst three of the last five years if we include the end of LMH's reign! It’s context again isn’t it? He had the largest single window budget of any Stoke manager in history and he blew it on players who either weren’t up to it or didn’t fit the style of play he was wedded to. He completely ostracised the few creative players at the club. He thought he could set the promotion favourites up to play like plucky underdogs. He threw players under the bus at every opportunity, then had a pop at the fans. He’s a big reason why the current manager’s hands are, to an extent, tied. People say he wasn’t given enough time but what had they seen from him, and what have they seen from him since, that suggests things would have got dramatically better?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 7:12:23 GMT
In my lifetime, my choice would be Jones.
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Post by David Brent on Feb 19, 2021 10:01:18 GMT
In my life time from memory
100% Nathan bloody Jones
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 19, 2021 10:39:39 GMT
In the last fifty years, no debate about it whatsoever...Alan Ball.
Took the club to its lowest ever league finish, 14th in the Third Division after promising that getting promotion would be a piece of cake...
Useless.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2021 12:06:49 GMT
Really quite surprised at the number of mentions for Rowett, given what came before and after him. He doesn't even get into the worst three of the last five years if we include the end of LMH's reign! It’s context again isn’t it? He had the largest single window budget of any Stoke manager in history and he blew it on players who either weren’t up to it or didn’t fit the style of play he was wedded to. He completely ostracised the few creative players at the club. He thought he could set the promotion favourites up to play like plucky underdogs. He threw players under the bus at every opportunity, then had a pop at the fans. He’s a big reason why the current manager’s hands are, to an extent, tied. People say he wasn’t given enough time but what had they seen from him, and what have they seen from him since, that suggests things would have got dramatically better? Bad but not the worst 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2021 12:18:23 GMT
No takers for a certain M D Mills MBE? no where near & that's despite long spells of abject stuff
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 12:30:43 GMT
It’s context again isn’t it? He had the largest single window budget of any Stoke manager in history and he blew it on players who either weren’t up to it or didn’t fit the style of play he was wedded to. He completely ostracised the few creative players at the club. He thought he could set the promotion favourites up to play like plucky underdogs. He threw players under the bus at every opportunity, then had a pop at the fans. He’s a big reason why the current manager’s hands are, to an extent, tied. People say he wasn’t given enough time but what had they seen from him, and what have they seen from him since, that suggests things would have got dramatically better? Bad but not the worst 🤷🏼♂️ Part of the conversation though. Not statistically the worst, not the worst in terms of the lowest ebb taken us to, but in terms of squnadering what he was given, in terms of failing his mission brief and in terms of the ruinous effects of his tenure, his name at least coming up in the conversation isn't surprising.
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2021 12:39:06 GMT
Alan Ball Gary Rowett Nathan Jones Chris Kamara
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Post by stokemark on Feb 19, 2021 12:49:45 GMT
Special mention for Graham Paddon who inherited Balls fuck up as caretataker in February 1991 and finished the job leaving us in our lowest league position in our history (14th in what is now League 1).
After initially winning a couple we finshed the season with just 4 points from the final 9 matches (of which I went to all of them including a memorable 3-0 spanking away at Cambridge where I now live).
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Post by onionman on Feb 19, 2021 12:53:43 GMT
This is like being asked to choose your favourite Beatles song. You could literally change your mind every day depending on your mood, and still back yourself up with a solid argument.
Jones Ball Little Rowett Lambert Kamara
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 13:01:16 GMT
This is like being asked to choose your favourite Beatles song. You could literally change your mind every day depending on your mood, and still back yourself up with a solid argument. Jones Ball Little Rowett Lambert Kamara Kamara's chapter in his autobiography on his time at Stoke is the bleakest farce you'll ever read. Like a Norman Wisdom film written by Jimmy McGovern.
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Post by superpej on Feb 19, 2021 13:03:29 GMT
Anyone mentioned Ritchie Barker and the Holocaust Season - He was OK to start with but when he went on a training course and discovered Point of Maximum Opportunity it all went to pot and disaster followed.
There have been a load of duffers over the years but Jones takes the biscuit overall for me from his recruitment by John on the advice of a mate in the pub - Jones's own over blown self-confidence in a job which was always too big for him, cringe worthy antics on the pitch - tactical incompetence etc - need I go on.
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Post by onionman on Feb 19, 2021 13:05:28 GMT
This is like being asked to choose your favourite Beatles song. You could literally change your mind every day depending on your mood, and still back yourself up with a solid argument. Jones Ball Little Rowett Lambert Kamara Kamara's chapter in his autobiography on his time at Stoke is the bleakest farce you'll ever read. Like a Norman Wisdom film written by Jimmy McGovern. Yes I found that book in a charity shop in America. Fantastic read. The incident when his resignation letter was accidentally sent to the wrong photocopier was trumped only by the anecdote of Jeff Stelling getting drunk and pushing over a motorbike in Korea.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2021 13:19:14 GMT
Ball for me. Looked like someone who got the job based on his playing career and at no point actually looked like he knew what he was doing while trying desperately to give the impression he did. Kamara was in the same category but had comedy value and had sufficient awareness to realise management wasn't his thing.
Special mention to Lambert. He was right to identify that we had some wastrels but to marginalise every player with a spark and reduce us to bunch of cloggers whose sole tactic was to give it to Shaqiri pretty much killed off any prospect of survival and really should have known better.
Rowett steadied a sinking ship and was a victim of over inflated expectations. Jones was the wrong manager at the wrong time. Both are ok managers at this level and aren't bad in the way Ball was bad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 13:31:54 GMT
Ball for me. Looked like someone who got the job based on his playing career and at no point actually looked like he knew what he was doing while trying desperately to give the impression he did. Kamara was in the same category but had comedy value and had sufficient awareness to realise management wasn't his thing. Special mention to Lambert. He was right to identify that we had some wastrels but to marginalise every player with a spark and reduce us to bunch of cloggers whose sole tactic was to give it to Shaqiri pretty much killed off any prospect of survival and really should have known better. Rowett steadied a sinking ship and was a victim of over inflated expectations. Jones was the wrong manager at the wrong time. Both are ok managers at this level and aren't bad in the way Ball was bad. I think that's a fair analysis of Ball and Jones but Rowett didn't 'steady' anything. O'Neill has steadied a sinking ship. Rowett piled even more problems onto those he inherited.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2021 15:05:48 GMT
Ball for me. Looked like someone who got the job based on his playing career and at no point actually looked like he knew what he was doing while trying desperately to give the impression he did. Kamara was in the same category but had comedy value and had sufficient awareness to realise management wasn't his thing. Special mention to Lambert. He was right to identify that we had some wastrels but to marginalise every player with a spark and reduce us to bunch of cloggers whose sole tactic was to give it to Shaqiri pretty much killed off any prospect of survival and really should have known better. Rowett steadied a sinking ship and was a victim of over inflated expectations. Jones was the wrong manager at the wrong time. Both are ok managers at this level and aren't bad in the way Ball was bad. I think that's a fair analysis of Ball and Jones but Rowett didn't 'steady' anything. O'Neill has steadied a sinking ship. Rowett piled even more problems onto those he inherited. Rowett wasn't very likeable but he got us playing well enough to survive comfortably in the Championship - Jones actually made us worse with the same players that season. Had we stuck with Rowett I think we'd have ended up top half and could have built from there. Rowett's downfall was a combination of arrogance and over inflated expectations not that he was a bad manager - his record at this level is ok. Ball on the other hand just wasn't any good at management and got shown up at a lower level. I suppose it depends on how you see worse. In terms of expectation I get Rowett being right up there but I think circumstances count. I'm calling worse in terms of ability to manage - and in those terms Ball is worse for my money. I also think Lambert's contribution to our downfall is under appreciated and Rowett inherited alot of the blame. But happy to agree to differ on such a subjective matter.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 19, 2021 15:20:39 GMT
I think that's a fair analysis of Ball and Jones but Rowett didn't 'steady' anything. O'Neill has steadied a sinking ship. Rowett piled even more problems onto those he inherited. Rowett wasn't very likeable but he got us playing well enough to survive comfortably in the Championship - Jones actually made us worse with the same players that season. Had we stuck with Rowett I think we'd have ended up top half and could have built from there. Rowett's downfall was a combination of arrogance and over inflated expectations not that he was a bad manager - his record at this level is ok. Ball on the other hand just wasn't any good at management and got shown up at a lower level. I suppose it depends on how you see worse. In terms of expectation I get Rowett being right up there but I think circumstances count. I'm calling worse in terms of ability to manage - and in those terms Ball is worse for my money. I also think Lambert's contribution to our downfall is under appreciated and Rowett inherited alot of the blame. But happy to agree to differ on such a subjective matter. That’s a fair point. Ball was reliably terrible pretty much everywhere he went wasn’t he. Jones and Rowett and even Lambert had success elsewhere
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 19, 2021 15:33:13 GMT
In my memory, it has to be Jones. Boskamp in his madness gave some comical moments. Rowett wasted a lot of cash, but the cubs infrastructure did not support a relatively inexperienced manager. Jones, was just shit. From day one you could tell he was far far far too immersed in his own thinking, eating his fingers etc. It's not someone you would want to help you gain promotion and survive under massive massive pressure in the prem.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2021 15:35:29 GMT
I think that's a fair analysis of Ball and Jones but Rowett didn't 'steady' anything. O'Neill has steadied a sinking ship. Rowett piled even more problems onto those he inherited. Rowett wasn't very likeable but he got us playing well enough to survive comfortably in the Championship - Jones actually made us worse with the same players that season. Had we stuck with Rowett I think we'd have ended up top half and could have built from there. Rowett's downfall was a combination of arrogance and over inflated expectations not that he was a bad manager - his record at this level is ok. Ball on the other hand just wasn't any good at management and got shown up at a lower level. I suppose it depends on how you see worse. In terms of expectation I get Rowett being right up there but I think circumstances count. I'm calling worse in terms of ability to manage - and in those terms Ball is worse for my money. I also think Lambert's contribution to our downfall is under appreciated and Rowett inherited alot of the blame. But happy to agree to differ on such a subjective matter. Rowett's ability to manage was poor though and I don't see the basis for arguing he'd have had us top half. It would have required him to fundamentally change an approach he's proven incapable of changing, one that simply wasn't the right fit for our club with our profile in the circumstances. Surviving comfortably really wasn't enough for the outlay. You can't set up like he did when you're promotion favourites. That's why he couldn't turn draws into wins and we often got our pockets picked. His use of the huge warchest he was given bordered on criminal as well. Afobe sums it up best. Didn't remotely fit a 4-3-3 yet he made him his top priority. He inherited a shit show but it was within his power to change that and he fumbled it badly. Then there was his throwing players under the bus, which never goes well and perhaps speaks to the pressures of the job and it being too big for him. It's one thing to give Bauer the treatment but when you're publicly calling out Shawcross and Bojan, then the problem might just be you. Still, when you look at Ball, Jones, etc I agree he wasn't quite in that realm, even though he's probably my own personal least favourite manager because of how objectionable and wasteful he was.
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