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Post by maxdecarlo on Jan 23, 2021 0:45:15 GMT
The guy is out of his depth he has managed Brechin city and shamrock rovers ffs what on earth is he doing here...only reason he's cheap and a yes man to coates/Scholes..we are only going one way with this shower and their abysmal signings...one win in 13 how is this guy in a job ..sack the lot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:47:11 GMT
Behave.
Shit bin.
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Post by crowey on Jan 23, 2021 0:48:32 GMT
..... here we go
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 23, 2021 1:25:13 GMT
He's got it in him to be a good manager for this club, I don't know why but for some reason he's holding himself and the team back. We need the MON that realised his misake last season and set the team up well to win games we haven't seen that manger much if at all this season.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 23, 2021 1:29:44 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted.
He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted.
We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 2:07:55 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. Pretty much coming to same conclusion. Last season he proved to be excellent at survival and as you say this season showed he is capable of putting us in the mix near the top but didn't have the desire to follow through. He as been hampered with injuries but it's wearing thin now. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 23, 2021 2:27:11 GMT
Fuck off.
Apologies for personal abuse, Admin, but we've got a dickhead here.
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Post by hyaduck on Jan 23, 2021 3:30:49 GMT
Fuck off. Apologies for personal abuse, Admin, but we've got a dickhead here. I bet you were one of those little creeps at school, Miss he’s said I’m a knobhead....Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Oh and by the way O’Neil needs criticising. |
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 23, 2021 6:00:47 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. Exactly |
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Post by zerps on Jan 23, 2021 6:43:53 GMT
I thought he was a genius but he’s proving to be very limited.
This kind of football will look even worse from inside the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 6:55:41 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. Nearly any team can get promoted this season (not the likes of Rotherham and Wednesday), because not a lot of teams are actually very good. So in theory you can stumble into the play-offs and then turn it on for just 2x90 mins. I don't think our current form resembles stumbling though. Falling is more like it (1 in 12 etc). But I still believe MON can get us up in 1 or two seasons, if he keeps the quality that we do have, and adds quality rather than quantity. He will have to "grow up" as a manager, though. Apart from his many years as an international manager, managing at club level is actually a very limited experience and it shows. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 23, 2021 7:05:51 GMT
He’s quite lucky there is no fans in the stadium as I think the natives would be getting restless , injuries and games coming thick and first have hampered him but you don’t get to manage an international team if your not very good
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 23, 2021 7:31:24 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. This is his first sull season so I’m afraid you don’t really have a large enough sample size to guage how far he can take us. We have taken a massive step up from the previous two seasons in this league. I truly don’t understand some fans. We finally have someone who seems to be a proper manager and some actually want him out after a mediocre Christmas period. You have to give the bloke time and by time I genuinely do mean at least 2 full seasons to actually gauge where we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 7:38:19 GMT
He did well to make us competitive and keep us up last season, it was quite obvious from Powell’s celebration against Luton that they were not playing for jones so it may not have been quite the miracle that some think.
What is clear is that he is far to conservative to get us promotion, we will be a mid to lower championship team if the manager won’t take the shackles off and that doesn’t seem to be in his locker, it’s a poor league by all accounts and with the players we have we should be taking more points than we are doing, is that 1 win in 12 now?
The football in all honesty is dire to watch, if we were winning then you can kind of see through it but now it all seems to be unraveling then questions need to be asked, the new signings look as good/bad as we already have, how many more rebuilds can we have, we are a million miles from promotion.
It all needs to be re-assessed at the end of the season, it simply is not working.....again
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 23, 2021 7:43:46 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. This is his first sull season so I’m afraid you don’t really have a large enough sample size to guage how far he can take us. We have taken a massive step up from the previous two seasons in this league. I truly don’t understand some fans. We finally have someone who seems to be a proper manager and some actually want him out after a mediocre Christmas period. You have to give the bloke time and by time I genuinely do mean at least 2 full seasons to actually gauge where we are. We've been poor all season. The difference was in the early part of the season we had a striker who was on fire. Its nothing football. Backwards and sideways passing with little penetration. Sitting back on leads has cost us time after time. MON has credit in the bank but for me hes using it fast |
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 23, 2021 7:56:06 GMT
Sacking is a daft idea and suggestion. It's his first season in charge, he's trying to rebuild from a number of manager's mess from within an environment of diminishing parachute payments and a new recruitment department that he had to setup himself.
He's actively trying to get rid of players and reduce the squad, so general motivation in the squad might be lower than normal. We've also had ridiculous luck with injuries this season which have interrupted a strange and compacted season, where a standard three week injury has resulted in a player missing 6 or 7 games.
Some or even all of these might sound trivial to some but they all add up into the mix.
That said, he has setup negatively and has pretty much admitted to that and the reasons why, often citing the tight nature of the Championship.
I think he currently sits in the middle ground of a manager that deserves some criticism for how he is setting up in games but also deserves the leeway for some of the reasons I've stated above.
I've nailed my colours to the mast at numerous stages this season and that I've been less than impressed with him, but I think that is more down to the high regard I personally hold him and the disappointment when he doesn't hit those high marks.
In terms of achieving or getting near to promotion, I think we are at least another two seasons away given the huge amount of fat we have in the squad.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 23, 2021 8:22:17 GMT
We are the paying the price for previous managers bad business.
You’re very lucky if you can build a great side using free transfers or cheap deals. They’re cheap for a reason. Either they’re on the down or they’re young and not that good. There will always be exceptions of course.
That said for all his good work MON isn’t helping himself at the moment with his team selections particularly in midfield and lack of flexibility.
I still think however he’s the best manager we’ve had in a long time and we have to give him some grace with the luck he’s had with injuries. If Tyrese Campbell was fit we’d be a different beast and you don’t replace someone like him without a serious outlay of money which we can’t make.
MON is in my opinion still the man to take us forwards. Starting next season when some of the dead wood on big money has gone and he has the chance to invest properly.
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Post by retrostoke on Jan 23, 2021 8:24:09 GMT
This is a wind up surely. We played some very good football last night. Football we haven’t seen in a long while. We lack a cutting edge. FFP won’t let us buy one. With Campbell on the pitch or something similar we win the game.
Very promising rebuild underway. Onwards and upwards MON. Top man
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Post by stokie1947 on Jan 23, 2021 8:55:47 GMT
i wonder what folk would say if this was Pulis getting these types of results
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 23, 2021 8:56:42 GMT
We're in transition still, we are adding youth to the squad who will no doubt be better for the experience. It's coming together without a doubt. Next year we could be unstoppable in this league.
The team can't even train properly yet either with such a compact fixture list, they will be mainly doing fitness training I'd imagine. They will be doing some team work but it won't be nothing like usual.
I'm quite excited about where we are heading under MON. Just because we are Stoke doesn't mean success should be instant. We have clearly made huge steps since last season and once MON gets his squad together we will be a strong side.
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Post by mowlee on Jan 23, 2021 8:58:51 GMT
Too be fair too Micheal he kept us up last season so he deserves a decent go off it, wherever we finish it’s an improvement from a relagation battle. If he doesn’t have us knocking on the top two door next season then it’s had his chance!! The thing is managers don’t usually have time in football so Micheal can count himself lucky
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 8:59:12 GMT
i wonder what folk would say if this was Pulis getting these types of results You know exactly what they were saying after his very first season here. And what they were saying in his very final season ever. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 23, 2021 9:03:24 GMT
We are hamstrung by previous managers bad buys and poor deductions, going right back to Hughes
Whilst we have Wimmer, Bauer, Ince, Woods, Afobe, Vokes, N’Diaye and Etebo all still on the books, all taking a huge salary but yet not in the plans then we are doing well in my opinion just to not be fighting relegation
O’Neil has tried to bring in younger, hungrier players with pace, combined with the likes of Powell.
Things are looking up, we are improving gradually but it will take at least 1 more season after this one I think until we are truly out of the woods.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 9:03:39 GMT
We are the paying the price for previous managers bad business. This explanation is getting old. It still holds, while those players are still on our books, but it's 3-5 years down the line now. O'Neill knew what he was getting into, as he has confirmed frequently in interviews. He's been in the job over a year now, but I'm still not really sure what an O'Neill team is. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 23, 2021 9:10:10 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted.
We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. I think he does but he's too worried about losing a game, he's firmly decided that we're underdogs and lucky to be here so is playing them as such, he needs to shake it off. |
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Post by bojanwonder on Jan 23, 2021 9:12:22 GMT
Sacking is a daft idea and suggestion. It's his first season in charge, he's trying to rebuild from a number of manager's mess from within an environment of diminishing parachute payments and a new recruitment department that he had to setup himself. He's actively trying to get rid of players and reduce the squad, so general motivation in the squad might be lower than normal. We've also had ridiculous luck with injuries this season which have interrupted a strange and compacted season, where a standard three week injury has resulted in a player missing 6 or 7 games. Some or even all of these might sound trivial to some but they all add up into the mix. That said, he has setup negatively and has pretty much admitted to that and the reasons why, often citing the tight nature of the Championship. I think he currently sits in the middle ground of a manager that deserves some criticism for how he is setting up in games but also deserves the leeway for some of the reasons I've stated above. I've nailed my colours to the mast at numerous stages this season and that I've been less than impressed with him, but I think that is more down to the high regard I personally hold him and the disappointment when he doesn't hit those high marks. In terms of achieving or getting near to promotion, I think we are at least another two seasons away given the huge amount of fat we have in the squad. A very measured and accurate response. Thank goodness there are some sensible, realistic heads on here! |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 23, 2021 9:12:27 GMT
Who’s out of contract this summer?
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Post by ryd1967 on Jan 23, 2021 9:17:08 GMT
If your not satisfied f*** off up the Vale.
Shit bin.
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Post by wherty on Jan 23, 2021 9:17:21 GMT
I like MON but the more I see the less I think he'll ever get us promoted. He doesn't have the know how or mindset to to win enough games to get a team promoted. We'll just be a good championship team flirting with the play offs but on the upside he'll do it on the cheap. You probably said the same after pulis's first half season in charge. |
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Post by peterpan1 on Jan 23, 2021 9:20:24 GMT
There have been some very good points made on MON. I do still think we have a gem of a manager. He's not the finished article by a long way and he doesn't seemingly have the luck of the Irish when it comes to injuries. The fact that both Fletcher and Mikel turn 34 in the next 3months doesn't fill me with a great deal of hope either where injuries are concerned. I'm convinced there is a longer term plan and signing a player who isn't able to play for us until next season points to the bigger picture.
He's not above criticism and I hope he's learning by his mistakes. I've resigned myself to thinking this is a consolidation season with a big push next season.
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