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Post by TinkerT on Jul 25, 2021 7:02:55 GMT
The possibility of having Davis and Brown up front spells disaster and another season where we’re looking for someone to hit the target. Me to brown is an awful footballer If he was as prolific as some wish he was he certainly wouldn't be at Stoke that's for sure. He's still young and can still grow.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2021 7:17:00 GMT
Came on second half. Hit a good header but straight to Bursik. A couple of yards either side and he would have scored. That appears to be him all over close but no cigar goals wise we really don’t need another forward who doesn’t score That could have been written about Vokes, headed into the keepers arms. What is it about MON and none scorin g forwards?
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 25, 2021 7:17:07 GMT
I hope he signs like the look of him cud really shine in championship just needs a run in a team iam more worried now they will keep Davis now best striker they got now barring Watkins Hope you’re right, he’s wank
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Post by questionable on Jul 25, 2021 7:24:47 GMT
Villa fans on their site don’t seem overly impressed with him with some suggesting better off selling him.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 25, 2021 8:09:10 GMT
MON’s record with signings forwards isn’t great, Brown who is really poor and potentially this fella.
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 8:11:23 GMT
The Villa commentators were saying he doesn't score. I thought that's what a striker is mainly there for, so no point signing him is there? It baffles me aswell
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Post by potterburt on Jul 25, 2021 8:18:24 GMT
MON’s record with signings forwards isn’t great, Brown who is really poor and potentially this fella. Jeez! He’s only had the opportunity to sign 1 and that was Fletcher who by all accounts has been pretty damn good for us. Brown is a utility player who was signed more as a RW/RM/RWB and when he had to play up front started to become alright at it, he’s looked well on it in the preseason. And MoN has had the most tune out of Campbell that we could wish for whilst started to blood in some of our u23 strikers into the bench/first team. By all means though, invent your own imaginary stick to beat someone with.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 25, 2021 8:19:11 GMT
The Villa commentators were saying he doesn't score. I thought that's what a striker is mainly there for, so no point signing him is there? It baffles me aswell Yeah?….. like Sidibe? So prolific!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 25, 2021 8:52:45 GMT
That appears to be him all over close but no cigar goals wise we really don’t need another forward who doesn’t score That could have been written about Vokes, headed into the keepers arms. What is it about MON and none scorin g forwards? It’s a very fair point he’s actually very similar bit younger and not much evidence he’s any better at this level both seem to wife an excellent attitude boy we need talent as well as attitude and application
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 9:06:03 GMT
MON’s record with signings forwards isn’t great, Brown who is really poor and potentially this fella. how many goals had Campbell scored before MON arrived?
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 25, 2021 9:09:45 GMT
Not sure why Villa are messing around, if he is surplus to their requirements this season, just let him go.
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Post by neddy on Jul 25, 2021 9:14:51 GMT
I wonder if the deal is done but the player has to want to come and maybe he wants to hang around Villa?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2021 9:18:53 GMT
Not sure why Villa are messing around, if he is surplus to their requirements this season, just let him go. That’s presumably what they haven’t decided yet though, whether they’ve got sufficient cover.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 25, 2021 9:21:40 GMT
Not sure why Villa are messing around, if he is surplus to their requirements this season, just let him go. If you've just sat and watched one of your main strikers get completely shithoused by Nick Powell in a friendly, I think it's pretty feasible that you might want to keep a lad around the place who, by their own admission, trains exceptionally well and is a good professional. At least until you explore the possibility of bringing in an alternative anyhow...
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Post by werrington on Jul 25, 2021 9:23:32 GMT
Not sure why Villa are messing around, if he is surplus to their requirements this season, just let him go. That’s presumably what they haven’t decided yet though, whether they’ve got sufficient cover. Especially with one of their forward options now suspended for three games Violent conduct sending offs stand even in a friendly ….Fullers got resinded at Wrexham all those years ago but there’s no chance that one yesterday will Ir may well be a quirk of fate that they keep him now
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 9:23:40 GMT
Will Wesley's straight red give him 3 games suspension? He really deserves this after his reaction.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2021 9:26:25 GMT
He would need a run in the side but would he get that here? He’s not better than Fletcher or Campbell so if they’re fit they start. Big if agreed. But I wouldn’t want Davis and Fletcher in the same team overly. And Fletcher if rested correctly will play way more than he misses imo. Is playing the 10/15 games to rest Fletcher enough football for him? The idea posted above about making him press early to tire defences could work. Plenty of starts, but Fletcher Vs tired legs is the real weapon for now. In the meantime, he learns a lot. Like I thought Southgate might be doing with Mount. But then I realised I had nfi what the plan was. Hate that idea, very negative. Fletcher is a class act and should be starting when fit. There’s no way Davis finishes the goal Fletcher did yesterday. He has to play when fit. Yes we need an alternative to rest him but there’s no way Davis should be starting ahead of Fletch if he signed.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 25, 2021 9:37:51 GMT
The idea posted above about making him press early to tire defences could work. Plenty of starts, but Fletcher Vs tired legs is the real weapon for now. In the meantime, he learns a lot. Like I thought Southgate might be doing with Mount. But then I realised I had nfi what the plan was. Hate that idea, very negative. Fletcher is a class act and should be starting when fit. There’s no way Davis finishes the goal Fletcher did yesterday. He has to play when fit. Yes we need an alternative to rest him but there’s no way Davis should be starting ahead of Fletch if he signed. Agree with your point Bayern, but we are living in la la land if we think there will not be reasonably frequent periods of time when Fletcher will not be available, as has been the case over his whole career. We will need cover-it seems that MO’n does not want to trust Nolan or any of the U-23 forwards yet, and the chances of getting a proven goalscorer to come and sit as an understudy to Fletcher are negligible. He might be the best we can hope for, unless we take a chance on buying a forward from the lower leagues, with a view to that person starting, when Fletcher is sidelined, and it then being that strikers position to lose?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2021 9:42:41 GMT
Hate that idea, very negative. Fletcher is a class act and should be starting when fit. There’s no way Davis finishes the goal Fletcher did yesterday. He has to play when fit. Yes we need an alternative to rest him but there’s no way Davis should be starting ahead of Fletch if he signed. Agree with your point Bayern, but we are living in la la land if we think there will not be reasonably frequent periods of time when Fletcher will not be available, as has been the case over his whole career. We will need cover-it seems that MO’n does not want to trust Nolan or any of the U-23 forwards yet, and the chances of getting a proven goalscorer to come and sit as an understudy to Fletcher are negligible. He might be the best we can hope for, unless we take a chance on buying a forward from the lower leagues, with a view to that person starting, when Fletcher is sidelined, and it then being that strikers position to lose? Agreed but I think a lot of his injuries last season were down to over playing. If he can start 30 games (which I imagine he did last season?) then that is ideal. I wouldn’t trust Norton either to start 15 games but is 15 games going to be enough for Davis? For Villa? He’s not an improvement on the first team and I think loans should be that generally. And if his issue with his record is lack of games then is this the best move for him? Obviously he may play more but that imo would be a bad thing because I think he looks woeful.
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Post by neddy on Jul 25, 2021 9:46:08 GMT
Agree with your point Bayern, but we are living in la la land if we think there will not be reasonably frequent periods of time when Fletcher will not be available, as has been the case over his whole career. We will need cover-it seems that MO’n does not want to trust Nolan or any of the U-23 forwards yet, and the chances of getting a proven goalscorer to come and sit as an understudy to Fletcher are negligible. He might be the best we can hope for, unless we take a chance on buying a forward from the lower leagues, with a view to that person starting, when Fletcher is sidelined, and it then being that strikers position to lose? Agreed but I think a lot of his injuries last season were down to over playing. If he can start 30 games (which I imagine he did last season?) then that is ideal. I wouldn’t trust Norton either to start 15 games but is 15 games going to be enough for Davis? For Villa? He’s not an improvement on the first team and I think loans should be that generally. And if his issue with his record is lack of games then is this the best move for him? Obviously he may play more but that imo would be a bad thing because I think he looks woeful. If we loaned Delap where would he play? Above Fletch?
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Post by thehoof on Jul 25, 2021 9:49:05 GMT
Agree with your point Bayern, but we are living in la la land if we think there will not be reasonably frequent periods of time when Fletcher will not be available, as has been the case over his whole career. We will need cover-it seems that MO’n does not want to trust Nolan or any of the U-23 forwards yet, and the chances of getting a proven goalscorer to come and sit as an understudy to Fletcher are negligible. He might be the best we can hope for, unless we take a chance on buying a forward from the lower leagues, with a view to that person starting, when Fletcher is sidelined, and it then being that strikers position to lose? Agreed but I think a lot of his injuries last season were down to over playing. If he can start 30 games (which I imagine he did last season?) then that is ideal. I wouldn’t trust Norton either to start 15 games but is 15 games going to be enough for Davis? For Villa? He’s not an improvement on the first team and I think loans should be that generally. And if his issue with his record is lack of games then is this the best move for him? Obviously he may play more but that imo would be a bad thing because I think he looks woeful. They are fair points- no easy answers unless as you say, Fletcher stays fit. I guess that’s what we hope for ( and that he pays a bit more attention to the off side law!)
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 25, 2021 9:58:15 GMT
That’s presumably what they haven’t decided yet though, whether they’ve got sufficient cover. Especially with one of their forward options now suspended for three games Violent conduct sending offs stand even in a friendly ….Fullers got resinded at Wrexham all those years ago but there’s no chance that one yesterday will Ir may well be a quirk of fate that they keep him now Reading the comments from Villa fans about the red card, they want Wesley out sharpish. Just got to hope they get a striker in.
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 10:08:30 GMT
Yeah?….. like Sidibe? So prolific! I'm not sure I'm following you here but if you think a non goalscoring centre forward is the ticket to promotion I don't agree, not unless he is playing in a 2 with a strike partner that knows the approximate coordinates of the goal. We've got Campbell who can score goals and an injury, strain & tweak plagued Fletcher who can get low double figures. We need somebody to stick the ball in the net, it's as simple as that, imo. This 'if he helps us score more' theory is nonsense, he is a striker, strikers are called strikers because they strike the ball well enough and accurate enough to put it in the net. This guy sounds like Fletcher without the goals. If he is signed he needs to pkay alongside a goalscorer imo and we don't even know if and when Campbell will start the season. It defies all logic to sign a non goalscoring 'striker' if he's playing as a lone centre forward
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2021 10:18:58 GMT
Yeah?….. like Sidibe? So prolific! I'm not sure I'm following you here but if you think a non goalscoring centre forward is the ticket to promotion I don't agree, not unless he is playing in a 2 with a strike partner that knows the approximate coordinates of the goal. We've got Campbell who can score goals and an injury, strain & tweak plagued Fletcher who can get low double figures. We need somebody to stick the ball in the net, it's as simple as that, imo. This 'if he helps us score more' theory is nonsense, he is a striker, strikers are called strikers because they strike the ball well enough and accurate enough to put it in the net. This guy sounds like Fletcher without the goals. If he is signed he needs to pkay alongside a goalscorer imo and we don't even know if and when Campbell will start the season. It defies all logic to sign a non goalscoring 'striker' if he's playing as a lone centre forward You'd better let the various scouts and managers up and down the country who subscribe to that view know that it's 'nonsense' then mate, they've obviously missed a trick that you've identified for them. This is your big ticket. This is your stage. The big time awaits...
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Post by potterburt on Jul 25, 2021 10:31:20 GMT
Yeah?….. like Sidibe? So prolific! I'm not sure I'm following you here but if you think a non goalscoring centre forward is the ticket to promotion I don't agree, not unless he is playing in a 2 with a strike partner that knows the approximate coordinates of the goal. We've got Campbell who can score goals and an injury, strain & tweak plagued Fletcher who can get low double figures. We need somebody to stick the ball in the net, it's as simple as that, imo. This 'if he helps us score more' theory is nonsense, he is a striker, strikers are called strikers because they strike the ball well enough and accurate enough to put it in the net. This guy sounds like Fletcher without the goals. If he is signed he needs to pkay alongside a goalscorer imo and we don't even know if and when Campbell will start the season. It defies all logic to sign a non goalscoring 'striker' if he's playing as a lone centre forward Mmm… yeah ok. So you mean like the 2 up front that we’ve played each game in preseason? Those 11 goals we’ve scored in 3 games show 2 up front really doesn’t work. im glad you’ve outlined all the nuances of football and tactics for me, I always wondered what this ‘defenders’ did but thanks to your theology I can apply the same logic that the defenders ‘defend’, similar how the midfield, field the mid. 👍
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 10:32:36 GMT
I'm not sure I'm following you here but if you think a non goalscoring centre forward is the ticket to promotion I don't agree, not unless he is playing in a 2 with a strike partner that knows the approximate coordinates of the goal. We've got Campbell who can score goals and an injury, strain & tweak plagued Fletcher who can get low double figures. We need somebody to stick the ball in the net, it's as simple as that, imo. This 'if he helps us score more' theory is nonsense, he is a striker, strikers are called strikers because they strike the ball well enough and accurate enough to put it in the net. This guy sounds like Fletcher without the goals. If he is signed he needs to pkay alongside a goalscorer imo and we don't even know if and when Campbell will start the season. It defies all logic to sign a non goalscoring 'striker' if he's playing as a lone centre forward Mmm… yeah ok. So you mean like the 2 up front that we’ve played each game in preseason? Those 11 goals we’ve scored in 3 games show 2 up front really doesn’t work. im glad you’ve outlined all the nuances of football and tactics for me, I always wondered what this ‘defenders’ did but thanks to your theology I can apply the same logic that the defenders ‘defend’, similar how the midfield, field the mid. 👍 So apart from Campbell in a 2 who scores the goals?
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 10:34:04 GMT
I'm not sure I'm following you here but if you think a non goalscoring centre forward is the ticket to promotion I don't agree, not unless he is playing in a 2 with a strike partner that knows the approximate coordinates of the goal. We've got Campbell who can score goals and an injury, strain & tweak plagued Fletcher who can get low double figures. We need somebody to stick the ball in the net, it's as simple as that, imo. This 'if he helps us score more' theory is nonsense, he is a striker, strikers are called strikers because they strike the ball well enough and accurate enough to put it in the net. This guy sounds like Fletcher without the goals. If he is signed he needs to pkay alongside a goalscorer imo and we don't even know if and when Campbell will start the season. It defies all logic to sign a non goalscoring 'striker' if he's playing as a lone centre forward You'd better let the various scouts and managers up and down the country who subscribe to that view know that it's 'nonsense' then mate, they've obviously missed a trick that you've identified for them. This is your big ticket. This is your stage. The big time awaits... No one will convince me that a non goalscoring striker is an asset unless they play in a pair
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2021 10:48:42 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 11:04:01 GMT
We're not Chelsea though or France, we are a mid table Championship club. Davies won't be playing with Eden hazard or mbappe. He'll be playing with Jacob Brown and at this moment nick powell on the left I agree with Harry kane
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2021 11:05:27 GMT
Agreed but I think a lot of his injuries last season were down to over playing. If he can start 30 games (which I imagine he did last season?) then that is ideal. I wouldn’t trust Norton either to start 15 games but is 15 games going to be enough for Davis? For Villa? He’s not an improvement on the first team and I think loans should be that generally. And if his issue with his record is lack of games then is this the best move for him? Obviously he may play more but that imo would be a bad thing because I think he looks woeful. If we loaned Delap where would he play? Above Fletch? Above all our other strikers
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