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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 1, 2021 11:12:28 GMT
He seems to be fit to play, but MON has chosen to stick with other players in central defence. His contract is up in the summer and he really is one of our big earners too, will he be given a new contract or being released? The same goes for Chester whose contract is up in the summer. I don't think his contract is close to Ryan's though, and he is also playing. What do you think?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 1, 2021 11:15:38 GMT
He seems to be fit to play, but MON has chosen to stick with other players in central defence. His contract is up in the summer and he really is one of our big earners too, will he be given a new contract or being released? The same goes for Chester whose contract is up in the summer. I don't think his contract is close to Ryan's though, and he is also playing. What do you think? Shawcross won't be given a new contract unless it's on massively reduced terms. He should however be given a testimonial and a hero's welcome every time he sets foot in the Bet365 for his services to the club......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 11:18:06 GMT
Sadly I think he might leave. Don't think we can afford to be sentimental due to ffp because he's on huge wages.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
The fa cup game v leicester will be a big game for him I suspect. If he comes through it playing well, he'll feature a fair bit between now and end of season you'd think.
Rotating with Chester so they play 1 game per week maybe?
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Post by fulagoals on Jan 1, 2021 11:19:19 GMT
He seems to be fit to play, but MON has chosen to stick with other players in central defence. His contract is up in the summer and he really is one of our big earners too, will he be given a new contract or being released? The same goes for Chester whose contract is up in the summer. I don't think his contract is close to Ryan's though, and he is also playing. What do you think? Will be very interesting. You would think that at some point in the very near future when suspensions come to the fore plus injuries, that he would start a game. If/when that happens I suppose the shirt will be his to lose.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 1, 2021 11:21:17 GMT
I do not see the point in offering Shawcross a new contract unless he is given a role within the club. Fantastic servant to SCFC & deserves a testimonial but his playing days have been over for quite some time.
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Post by hyaduck on Jan 1, 2021 11:21:22 GMT
We have to not be sentimental when it comes to Ryan. He’s been a great servant but nowhere near good or quick enough for a team that needs to push on. To offer him an extension would be ludicrous but if there’s a spot I’d like to see him on the coaching staff in some capacity.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 1, 2021 11:28:45 GMT
FFP dictates this, especially when the two youngest are showing great ability and potential.
Can see Shawcross and Chester leaving when their contracts are up, they'll be missed, but not as much as they would have been before.
Souttar and Collins are easily good enough. Supported by Batth and Lindsay or some frees/youth prospects - Macari?
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 1, 2021 11:31:29 GMT
I can maybe see him leaving in January, I think that would be risky, however, possibly hector Baath could be regarded as surplus to requirements?.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 1, 2021 11:31:58 GMT
In fairness, we're playing extraordinarily well defensively and I wouldn't want to leave out Souttar, Collins or Chester at the moment. It's probably better for Ryan and his recovery that for the first time in half a decade, we haven't been desperate to get him back ASAP to shore up a hopeless back line.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 1, 2021 11:38:29 GMT
When his contract is up, I can see him retiring. Does he have his coaching badges?
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 1, 2021 11:41:57 GMT
Wouldn't extend his contract but would like to see him remain involved at the club in some capacity. He isn't someone who's declined but stayed fit - his decline is due to his body being shot to bits, so can't see him going elsewhere if/when he leaves.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 1, 2021 11:47:55 GMT
In fairness, we're playing extraordinarily well defensively and I wouldn't want to leave out Souttar, Collins or Chester at the moment. It's probably better for Ryan and his recovery that for the first time in half a decade, we haven't been desperate to get him back ASAP to shore up a hopeless back line. Yes hopefully learning lessons from last rushed comeback even though he now appears fit he still needs to get match fit lets see if he plays against Leicester.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 11:49:45 GMT
The fa cup game v leicester will be a big game for him I suspect. If he comes through it playing well, he'll feature a fair bit between now and end of season you'd think. Rotating with Chester so they play 1 game per week maybe? I don't even think he will be playing in the fa cup, unless MON, like last year, has already chalked off those games (I hope not). He wasn't selected for the even less important Caraboa QF, so already there was an early indication that Shawcross is about as important to MON's plans as Verlinden is. It's equally disappointing, because if Ryan hangs up his boots in the summer, he will do so even without having been tested to see if he still could have done a decent job in league football. Based on the games I've seen him play for the u23s there's no physical reason why he couldn't. He has a certain way of playing which suggests he thinks he's still playing for Pulis, a lot of hoofball, senseless challenges, picking a fight with opponents, a simple no nonsense way about it. This may be a reason why he doesn't (appear to) feature in MON's plans. Looking at Collins and Souttar's bpd style it's clear that he in that regard is inferior to the young men. At the start of the season MON appeared reluctant to play Collins and Souttar in central defence at the same time, perhaps fearing the consequences if they both were badly exposed. This simply hasn't happened and now they are both automatic choices there, with Chester adding I really don't know what. Batth having played in that Caraboa tie is now logically fourth choice, which means Shawcross is at the very bottom of the ladder. He is very far from MON's thoughts, he doesn't even get choice minutes at the end of games, even though MON has enough available slots for subs. He's simply making up numbers on the bench. As he's no longer playing for the u23s he's losing what little match practice he might have gained there. There's no question that Shawcross, having added coaching badges over the last year, has a future at Stoke, perhaps starting coaching in the academy alongside Walters, Lawrence, and others. Question is if he will sample experience at other clubs first. He probably feaures in Coates' dreams as a future Stoke manager, but whether he gets there only time will tell.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 1, 2021 11:51:06 GMT
The last game he played told a story
He was brought on to bolster the defence, and unfortunately made our defence look weaker.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 1, 2021 11:51:27 GMT
I don't think there is anything sinister in his omission. Why would you disrupt a defence which has been so solid? He can't play left back. I would imagine Leicester will be the game we see him and Batth replacing Chester and Souttar who has looked as if he needs a rest recently. If Ryan comes through the cup game successfully then he'll play an important role in the rest of the season if not as a regular. If he doesn't feature I fear his career is possibly over.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 1, 2021 11:51:39 GMT
I would hope romantically that the script has been written for Ryan to get back into the playing squad and lead us to an unlikely promotion, before joining the backroom staff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 11:52:45 GMT
FFP dictates this, especially when the two youngest are showing great ability and potential. Can see Shawcross and Chester leaving when their contracts are up, they'll be missed, but not as much as they would have been before. Souttar and Collins are easily good enough. Supported by Batth and Lindsay or some frees/youth prospects - Macari? Lindsay is probably as likely to feature as Wimmer is, he's just not a troublemaker like the Austrian is. But Macari as well as Forrester could be squad members if they are prepared to wait for Collins and Souttar to step aside.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 1, 2021 11:52:47 GMT
When his contract is up, I can see him retiring. Does he have his coaching badges? I'm sure he has or is taking his coaching badges - given his injuries in recent years he has had ample opportunity to get them. I've no idea how good he would be as a coach but MON and the Academy staff will have a good idea and given that we do seem to have a few ex players on the coaching staff at present I can see a decent possibility that he will be offered a coaching contract. If he is then it would make some sense to also offer him a deal as part of the playing squad so that he could be included in the squad on a pay as you play basis for emergencies. Obviously he would get far less than he does now, but that would be equally true if he moved to another club where he would probably only get a permanent deal at League 1 level - not because of any lack of ability but because of his recent injury record.
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 1, 2021 11:54:22 GMT
I would hope romantically that the script has been written for Ryan to get back into the playing squad and lead us to an unlikely promotion, before joining the backroom staff. Imagine this, arsenal get relegated, shawcross lifts the play off trophy. Am i still pissed?😂
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 1, 2021 11:57:32 GMT
Ryan will be 34 this year, Chester 32 and Batth 31. I think Collins and Souttar should be our preferred pairing in central defence next season and this probably would mean that at least one of the 3, Shawcross, Chester or Batth would have to leave, maybe Lindsay too, and of these Ryan is the more likely I think. MON really seems to rate Chester, and he is also a couple of years younger than Ryan, so I can see this might be the end to Shawcross at Stoke. I feel this isn't right, but still this looks the most sensible choice.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 1, 2021 12:01:07 GMT
I would hope romantically that the script has been written for Ryan to get back into the playing squad and lead us to an unlikely promotion, before joining the backroom staff. Imagine this, arsenal get relegated, shawcross lifts the play off trophy. Am i still pissed?😂 I think that if all that happens we ought to pay for Aaron Ramsey to present Ryan with the Trophy. Several football dreams coming true at once!
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 1, 2021 12:22:07 GMT
I believe Ryan already has his coaching badges. It will be a sad day if he leaves but with his level-headedness and experience in the game, plus he must have many good contacts, he could make an ideal player-manager at a lower league club. So, maybe the end of an era but a whole new world of opportunities for him to continue in the game he loves. I wish him well whatever happens and as someone has said previously, Ryan will always get a hero's welcome whenever he returns to the Bet 365.
OS.
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 1, 2021 12:25:25 GMT
As said above, we shouldn't be sentimental about Ryan, but we should surely be loyal to him. I hope he will moving into a coaching role at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 12:28:15 GMT
Ryan has been immense for us, sadly his injuries have caught up with him. If he’s done his badges then hopefully we can find him a job fitting for what he’s done for us,
Chester, meh, see ya
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 1, 2021 12:29:52 GMT
Would love to see him stay involved in a coaching role (if there's room in the set-up), but it'd be a mistake to offer him a new playing contract at 34 after years of injuries.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2021 12:32:11 GMT
He's got 18 months on his contract hasn't he?
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Post by nott1 on Jan 1, 2021 12:33:55 GMT
Can't see PC getting rid of this icon!
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Post by fulagoals on Jan 1, 2021 12:38:38 GMT
“Ryan Shawcross is gradually building his body up ready for three or four more years hopefully playing regularly - and hopefully for Stoke City.”
MON quote pre-Christmas. It looks like the manager and Ryan himself have got more confidence in him than most on this board.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2021 12:40:21 GMT
I’d still play him again over Chester and Batth every day of the week. Fitness wise that won’t be possible but we’ve got to get to a point where he’s playing at least one game a week pretty soon.
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