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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 20:29:41 GMT
As reported across the world , the facts are these ...
The unfortunate death of George Floyd which sparked a Civil War like atmosphere in America has now snowballed into worldwide protests. All four officers involved have now been suspended, arrested and charged. Floyd had moved to Minneapolis after being released from Texas prison for aggravated robbery. He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest. He went to jail 5 times and a look at George Floyd’s profile as per court documents reads like a career criminal involved in drug abuse, theft, criminal trespassing, aggravated robbery as well as entering a woman’s home and pointing a gun at her stomach while looking for drugs and money.
Unlike say Nelson Mandela , who United a nation against racism , and achieved so much , George's life is unfortunately not anti racist . Robbing white people and pointing a gun at a Mexican is not anti racist .
Lots of people are anti racist , and made massive achievements in overcoming racism including Nelson Mandela , F W De Klerk and plenty others .
Why not promote an anti racism message on Nelson Mandela's birthday or FW De Klerk's birthday , or both , at least this would have the merit of celebrating people who successfully fought against racism .
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Post by right on Dec 5, 2020 20:31:08 GMT
The fact that we are talking about it like this and fans were booing shows it has more meaning than you think. To me its worth the few seconds it takes to keep the topic top of mind. Is everyone here really that bothered by a message that racism is wrong? Really? Is all racism wrong has to be doesn't it ? how taking the knee to a commemorate criminal drug dealer killed by cops in the USA has anything to do with football in the UK is beyond reason. Are we going to be taking the knee for everyone killed by cops all around the World ? The fact that you reduce this to cops in the US killing a "criminal drug dealer" shows that the message is falling on deaf ears. Maybe it is pointless because the people that racism doesn't affect do not seem to care at all.
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Post by songthrush01 on Dec 5, 2020 20:33:09 GMT
I think it’s an empty gesture now. In many professional games these days at least half the players can black, so of course black lives matter in football. They don’t need to continue ‘taking a knee’ indefinitely to prove it. The only reason it has gone on for this long is because no supporters have been in attendance. agree
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Post by stokemark on Dec 5, 2020 20:35:23 GMT
As is perpetuating an Internet myth, proven to be completely false. Floyd served five years in prison for the armed robbery, but there is no evidence that Henriquez was pregnant at the time, and her injuries were inflicted by another man. The guy was a proven violent drug dealing criminal who’s being held up as a beacon of hope. I think that’s wrong, no matter what you say He deserved to be murdered on that basis did he ? Stoke On Trent - forever in the dark age
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 20:44:34 GMT
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 5, 2020 20:48:15 GMT
All the talk about Millwall fans booing but boro stood during the "knee minute"...what is the protocol..does everyone have to kneel or not??? And rightly so. It’s gone on for too long Not quite as long as the racial victimisation of ethnic minorities, but hey ho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 20:48:57 GMT
I have never met Ty Campbell , brown , cousins , TOB and Mikel ,but I am going to go out on a limb on this one and say that all of them ... would regard a life spent robbing white people , pointing guns at Mexicans and taking crystal meth as a wasted life ... I am a hundred per cent certain that they have plans of doing better than that themselves
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Post by starkiller on Dec 5, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
It's nothing to do with racism. How many more months should this get a platform before every single football game? When, in the entire history of the game, has anything else had such a platform? If people don't want a negative reaction, I have a brilliant idea. Scrap this bullshit. Problem solved.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 20:52:38 GMT
I have never met Ty Campbell , brown , cousins , TOB and Mikel ,but I am going to go out on a limb on this one and say that all of them ... would regard a life spent robbing white people , pointing guns at Mexicans and taking crystal meth as a wasted life ... I am a hundred per cent certain that they have plans of doing better than that themselves Didn't bother reading it then?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 5, 2020 20:52:47 GMT
The guy was a proven violent drug dealing criminal who’s being held up as a beacon of hope. I think that’s wrong, no matter what you say He deserved to be murdered on that basis did he ? Stoke On Trent - forever in the dark age Of course not, what are you implying?
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 5, 2020 20:54:02 GMT
Fuck it off. Its gone on way to long. I agree, in this day and age racism should be a thing of the past in a modern country, but the ruling class don’t see it that way.......oh, you did mean racism didn’t you?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 5, 2020 20:59:57 GMT
The 'taking the knee' pre-match gesture against racism has been done in solidarity with the 'Black Lives Matter' movement since the game's restart in June following George Floyd's death in the United States. This is the issue for me. 100 percent racism is wrong and I fully support the fight against it and feel for anyone who’s been the victim of it and never pretend to understand how awful it must be but after seeing these videos I can’t support a party represented by either of these individuals. This is where I personally get very confused. Nothings ever straight forward sadly By kneeling are we supporting them if they represent BLM
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 21:01:59 GMT
It's nothing to do with racism. How many more months should this get a platform before every single football game? When, in the entire history of the game, has anything else had such a platform? If people don't want a negative reaction, I have a brilliant idea. Scrap this bullshit. Problem solved. That's not for anyone else to decide but the Clubs, the FA and the EFL. Millwall only issued a statement saying this week saying they would carry on until the end of the year and then move on. Ive tolerated plenty of your bullshit on the Coronavirus thread without remarking. Why not tell us all what offends you so much about it. I guess you'd rather hide behind the "George Floyd is a thug" argument than show your own true colours. It's not your equality at stake is it? If it was I doubt you'd be so vociferously calling it bullshit
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Post by tosh on Dec 5, 2020 21:02:53 GMT
It is now obvious that continuing a political gesture like this at sporting events is going to cause more division and controversy rather than improving the situation. You cannot easily control football crowds. Fans who love their black players may protest at the linking of political causes to football matches. Taking the knee is now inextricably linked in many people’s minds with the BLM movement, which is a Marxist anti democratic movement. You can be anti racism as well as anti BLM. This gesture is no longer helpful to the cause.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 5, 2020 21:04:35 GMT
Saint Gary's got involved and this guy tells him as it is.
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Post by swinny on Dec 5, 2020 21:05:14 GMT
Little more than an empty gesture to look like they're doing something without making any effort. How many players do you think are actually doing something to make the world a better place for black people?
Not only that, the BLM movement, the people involved and everything it's (d)evolved into is the reason people don't want to see a token gesture. Scrap BLM and actually look at the problem. Kneeling amounts to all the other campaigns that come and go then the FA feel they need to do something. Remember kick it out, anyone? Or any of the countless others?
Fuck it off.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 21:05:32 GMT
The 'taking the knee' pre-match gesture against racism has been done in solidarity with the 'Black Lives Matter' movement since the game's restart in June following George Floyd's death in the United States. This is the issue for me. 100 percent racism is wrong and I fully support the fight against it and feel for anyone who’s been the victim of it and never pretend to understand how awful it must be but after seeing these videos I can’t support a party represented by either of these individuals. This is where I personally get very confused. Nothings ever straight forward sadly By kneeling are we supporting them if they represent BLM Why did you choose to quote the article author and not the player? He never said that did he? He said.. The fans who have been let in today have personally disrespected not just me but the football club. And what the football club and the community stand for. What they've done is booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which was put in place to highlight, combat and stop any discriminatory behavior and racism. That's it - that's all that gesture is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 21:06:35 GMT
I have never met Ty Campbell , brown , cousins , TOB and Mikel ,but I am going to go out on a limb on this one and say that all of them ... would regard a life spent robbing white people , pointing guns at Mexicans and taking crystal meth as a wasted life ... I am a hundred per cent certain that they have plans of doing better than that themselves Didn't bother reading it then? I have read it mate , and quite simply I think mahlon Romeo needs to realise that you are not going to unite the world behind a druggie who robbed white people and points a gun at a Mexican , because that is not showing respect to everyone regardless of their colour The black Nelson Mandela and the white FW De Klerk did literally unite the world in breaking down racism across South Africa and the world and did gain the respect of the everyone by doing that . But they were sincere in their conviction to overcome racism and made massive achievements in doing that . Becoming president of South Africa and overthrowing apartheid is a lot more inspired that being a meth head who goes round robbing people .
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Post by wearestoke80 on Dec 5, 2020 21:07:36 GMT
Taking the knee was supposed to bring people together against racism but it’s created more divide than before. Load of shit and I’m sick of hearing about it.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 5, 2020 21:08:12 GMT
It's nothing to do with racism. How many more months should this get a platform before every single football game? When, in the entire history of the game, has anything else had such a platform? If people don't want a negative reaction, I have a brilliant idea. Scrap this bullshit. Problem solved. That's not for anyone else to decide but the Clubs, the FA and the EFL. Millwall only issued a statement saying this week saying they would carry on until the end of the year and then move on. Ive tolerated plenty of your bullshit on the Coronavirus thread without remarking. Why not tell us all what offends you so much about it. I guess you'd rather hide behind the "George Floyd is a thug" argument than show your own true colours. It's not your equality at stake is it? If it was I doubt you'd be so vociferously calling it bullshitI've not even mentioned him. I don't want any politics in football. Why should every single game have time given to the same political platforming? This nonsense is not achieving anything anyway. If authorities and establishment can't handle paying supporters/customers expressing the view that they are pissed off with it, then scrap it so they don't get the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 21:09:20 GMT
Well done Millwall. I hope others follow suit. I’m sick of it now
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 5, 2020 21:12:34 GMT
Warnock hates black people (allegedly) Where have you got that from, ?, Sounds like shite to me Well Warnock makes things up so if the cap fits!
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 5, 2020 21:13:27 GMT
You can't have two different ethos', under the same name and not expect there to be confusion. You can see why some people object to kneeling.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 5, 2020 21:15:43 GMT
Where have you got that from, ?, Sounds like shite to me I made it up. Hope this helps. Don't worry mate Neil makes shit up all the time!
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 21:19:10 GMT
I'll leave some of you to get on with your "views". Those that hold a position of power have never had to experience discrimination every day.
Maybe just have a think about what it is that's boiling your piss and realise you are blaming the wrong people. Who wins by letting this dialogue persist?
Over and out.
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Post by zelem on Dec 5, 2020 21:25:05 GMT
Not a chance this will stay when all fans are back, the majority are sick to death of it, the booing just shows that the genuine supporter is sick to death of the pl, efl, bbc, sky and the rest of them going over board trying to drive their personnel opinions down everyones throats! There will be a hell of a lot of fans booing or turning their backs, mark my words!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 5, 2020 21:25:57 GMT
The 'taking the knee' pre-match gesture against racism has been done in solidarity with the 'Black Lives Matter' movement since the game's restart in June following George Floyd's death in the United States. This is the issue for me. 100 percent racism is wrong and I fully support the fight against it and feel for anyone who’s been the victim of it and never pretend to understand how awful it must be but after seeing these videos I can’t support a party represented by either of these individuals. This is where I personally get very confused. Nothings ever straight forward sadly By kneeling are we supporting them if they represent BLM Why did you choose to quote the article author and not the player? He never said that did he? He said.. The fans who have been let in today have personally disrespected not just me but the football club. And what the football club and the community stand for. What they've done is booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which was put in place to highlight, combat and stop any discriminatory behavior and racism. That's it - that's all that gesture is.Because that was on the article and that’s the stumbling block for me personally. I’ve been consistent in my views throughout re being against racism and the behaviour of the Millwall fans being totally wrong but that I can’t agree with the political side of BLM and what they stand for. That doesnt for a minute mean I’d ever boo people kneeling. Everyone has an opinion in the end and they should be able to do what they think is right without being castigated. We’re all individuals ultimately and what I would say is that everyone should be able to have an opinion without being judged and if your a player and you dont kneel you can’t be automatically be judged to be a racist as you might not be kneeling for a number of personal reasons and not because you don’t believe in the general cause. What are your thoughts on Gary McFarlane and Sasha?
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 5, 2020 21:27:55 GMT
Look at what has happened in the last 6 months. Look at the adverts on tv, look at the presenters, look at the demographics, If you are a male and white you have no chance any longer What a load of distorted codswallop. Seeing what you want to see. Off the top of my head. Gary Neville Jamie Carragher Gary Linekar Roy Keane Peter Crouch Martin Keown Mark Chapman Robbie Savage Chris Sutton Alan Shearer Colin Murray Danny Murphy Lee Dixon Jamie Redknapp Graeme Souness Tim Sherwood Robbie Fowler Jeff Stelling Michael Owen Owen Hargreaves Glen Hoddle Steve MacManaman Not enough for you?
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 5, 2020 21:37:19 GMT
I have never met Ty Campbell , brown , cousins , TOB and Mikel ,but I am going to go out on a limb on this one and say that all of them ... would regard a life spent robbing white people , pointing guns at Mexicans and taking crystal meth as a wasted life ... I am a hundred per cent certain that they have plans of doing better than that themselves Are you deliberately missing the point? It’s about the way that mainly black suspects are treated during arrest, with a disproportionate number of them dying unnecessarily in police custody. Fuck all to do with what they are suspected of doing, they deserve to survive to stand trial!!!
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 5, 2020 21:40:26 GMT
It's nothing to do with racism. How many more months should this get a platform before every single football game? When, in the entire history of the game, has anything else had such a platform? If people don't want a negative reaction, I have a brilliant idea. Scrap this bullshit. Problem solved. Yeah, give in to mob
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