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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 21:49:22 GMT
Look at what has happened in the last 6 months. Look at the adverts on tv, look at the presenters, look at the demographics, If you are a male and white you have no chance any longer What a load of distorted codswallop. Seeing what you want to see. Off the top of my head. Gary Neville Jamie Carragher Gary Linekar Roy Keane Peter Crouch Martin Keown Mark Chapman Robbie Savage Chris Sutton Alan Shearer Colin Murray Danny Murphy Lee Dixon Jamie Redknapp Graeme Souness Tim Sherwood Robbie Fowler Jeff Stelling Michael Owen Owen Hargreaves Glen Hoddle Steve MacManaman Not enough for you? It might be an exaggeration ,but it's not codswallop I work for the NHS and the internal jobs list today was constantly saying priority will be given to Black and ethnic minorities ( BAME ) , the disabled and lesbian gay and transgender applications ( LGBT) This is outrageous and is going to stir up a lot of bad will Priority should be given to the best applicant for the job . Everything else is literally illegal. Most of the names you have listed above have played at the highest level for arsenal Liverpool spurs man utd man city England and are the sort of people you would expect to have an informed opinion on the English premier League . I can't see what's surprises you about these names presenting premier League football in England You seem to have deliberately avoiding mentioning former England Liverpool arsenal man city players presentating the football like Ian Wright , Rio Ferdinand , Micah Richards and John Barnes ...why would you do that .
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Post by damagedswan on Dec 5, 2020 21:53:47 GMT
What a load of distorted codswallop. Seeing what you want to see. Off the top of my head. Gary Neville Jamie Carragher Gary Linekar Roy Keane Peter Crouch Martin Keown Mark Chapman Robbie Savage Chris Sutton Alan Shearer Colin Murray Danny Murphy Lee Dixon Jamie Redknapp Graeme Souness Tim Sherwood Robbie Fowler Jeff Stelling Michael Owen Owen Hargreaves Glen Hoddle Steve MacManaman Not enough for you? It might be an exaggeration ,but it's not codswallop I work for the NHS and the internal jobs list today was constantly saying priority will be given to Black and ethnic minorities ( BAME ) , the disabled and lesbian gay and transgender applications ( LGBT) This is outrageous and is going to stir up a lot of bad will Priority should be given to the best applicant for the job . Everything else is literally illegal. Most of the names you have listed above have played at the highest level for arsenal Liverpool spurs man utd man city England and are the sort of people you would expect to have an informed opinion on the English premier League . I can't see what's surprises you about these names presenting premier League football in England You seem to have deliberately avoiding mentioning former England Liverpool arsenal man city players presentating the football like Ian Wright , Rio Ferdinand , Micah Richards and John Barnes ...why would you do that . Probably because he wasn't claiming that no black people are currently involved in football media. He was responding to someone saying that there are no longer any opportunities for white men.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 21:54:11 GMT
I have never met Ty Campbell , brown , cousins , TOB and Mikel ,but I am going to go out on a limb on this one and say that all of them ... would regard a life spent robbing white people , pointing guns at Mexicans and taking crystal meth as a wasted life ... I am a hundred per cent certain that they have plans of doing better than that themselves Are you deliberately missing the point? It’s about the way that mainly black suspects are treated during arrest, with a disproportionate number of them dying unnecessarily in police custody. Fuck all to do with what they are suspected of doing, they deserve to survive to stand trial!!! That's how you see it ,but not how I see it . Will be interesting to see how football fans see it around the grounds once they are allowed in. I am not going to have any influence whatsoever how they react to taking the knee and nor will you So will be interesting to see what happens
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Post by starkiller on Dec 5, 2020 21:55:52 GMT
It's nothing to do with racism. How many more months should this get a platform before every single football game? When, in the entire history of the game, has anything else had such a platform? If people don't want a negative reaction, I have a brilliant idea. Scrap this bullshit. Problem solved. Yeah, give in to mob It's a football game.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT
Exactly absolutely this!!!’
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Post by portugalpotter on Dec 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT
Perhaps the Middlesbrough players realised they were at a football match and not at a exhibition of acting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 21:59:25 GMT
It might be an exaggeration ,but it's not codswallop I work for the NHS and the internal jobs list today was constantly saying priority will be given to Black and ethnic minorities ( BAME ) , the disabled and lesbian gay and transgender applications ( LGBT) This is outrageous and is going to stir up a lot of bad will Priority should be given to the best applicant for the job . Everything else is literally illegal. Most of the names you have listed above have played at the highest level for arsenal Liverpool spurs man utd man city England and are the sort of people you would expect to have an informed opinion on the English premier League . I can't see what's surprises you about these names presenting premier League football in England You seem to have deliberately avoiding mentioning former England Liverpool arsenal man city players presentating the football like Ian Wright , Rio Ferdinand , Micah Richards and John Barnes ...why would you do that . Probably because he wasn't claiming that no black people are currently involved in football media. He was responding to someone saying that there are no longer any opportunities for white men. Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out .
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Post by damagedswan on Dec 5, 2020 22:00:09 GMT
It's eight seconds of kneeling before a football game. It works both ways - is it important or not?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 5, 2020 22:10:27 GMT
Probably because he wasn't claiming that no black people are currently involved in football media. He was responding to someone saying that there are no longer any opportunities for white men. Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out . And this is where it’s all wrong. Equality is the way forward not favouring one race or gender ahead of any other. This will only make the divide bigger. Over compensating is not the answer. I’d imagine if you spoke to most black/Asian/oriental people they don’t want to be treated differently they just want to be treated equally.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 5, 2020 22:11:26 GMT
Good for the Boro players.....it's about time it was dropped now anyhow!!!
How much longer is it gonna go on for???
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 5, 2020 22:11:54 GMT
And rightly so. It’s gone on for too long Not quite as long as the racial victimisation of ethnic minorities, but hey ho. Yeh not quite as long as me bin called a ginger cunt either but people don’t get down on one knee for us ginger cunts but you know what I’m not fucking bothered
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2020 22:13:31 GMT
Yep, as someone just said, it’s a football game, and skimming the past 5 pages of this forum shouts out exactly why awareness and a stance needs to be taken against racism. Soooooo many comments, of which many I’m sure are said without awareness at all - but even the fact of saying ‘it’s gone on too long’.... perfectly exemplifies the systematic racism.l and issues that need to be re-educated and changed.
I kind of agree that taking the knee has been diluted, seeing Harry Kane on FFocus today - and he said it was something he could do for the cause - but it’s a shame when we think that that’s that. We take a knee - I’ve done my bit. Still so far off the mark.
Watching Ferdinands documentary the other day and the section on Kick it Out - the general consensus being, it’s a bit of ‘lip service’ - similar can be said for taking the knee - and the fact that people are on this forum saying just ‘it’s gone on long enough’ without any notion of suggestion or inclination as to that there is still so much more to be done - this is the reason there is still so much to be done.
The thing with ignorance is that it’s very nature allows for the ignorance to the fact of your own ignorance.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 5, 2020 22:15:33 GMT
Probably because he wasn't claiming that no black people are currently involved in football media. He was responding to someone saying that there are no longer any opportunities for white men. Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out . In the real world it used to be called positive discrimination which was against the law
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 5, 2020 22:16:47 GMT
Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out . And this is where it’s all wrong. Equality is the way forward not favouring one race or gender ahead of any other. This will only make the divide bigger. Over compensating is not the answer. I’d imagine if you spoke to most black/Asian/oriental people they don’t want to be treated differently they just want to be treated equally. I went to apply for a job the other day and in the description it said they were looking for “ideally female” applicants. Now this wasn’t a strip joint it was just a warehouse supervisor job. Couldn’t believe it
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 5, 2020 22:21:09 GMT
Probably because he wasn't claiming that no black people are currently involved in football media. He was responding to someone saying that there are no longer any opportunities for white men. Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out . I had the same with the cops but instead of priority they used words like they encourage BAME and female officers who are “under represented” in this area. This was an internal advert for armed cops.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 5, 2020 22:24:35 GMT
It's eight seconds of kneeling before a football game. It works both ways - is it important or not? It's a pointless exercise a look at me stunt it's another reason to piss people off who just want to escape this PC obsessed lib tard hum drum negative sterile life and watch a fcuking football match FFS keep politics out of football is that really to much to ask ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 5, 2020 22:27:43 GMT
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Post by Silkystoke on Dec 5, 2020 22:33:13 GMT
Bollox from day 1....
Let them do it in USA and leave us alone...!!!!
Fuckin STOP IT
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Post by wrighter on Dec 5, 2020 22:40:57 GMT
Gone on far too long now Bin it
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Post by starkiller on Dec 5, 2020 22:42:19 GMT
It's eight seconds of kneeling before a football game. It works both ways - is it important or not? The fact that folk are arguing about politics, movements, racism, Marxism, coppers, drugs, riots, criminals, America, representation, meanings behind kneeling and all the rest of the bollocks tells me it's important this crap is kept out of simply enjoying a football game. A. Football. Game.
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Post by kerouac on Dec 5, 2020 22:47:02 GMT
I thought it was funny,get with the program fam 😉 Nothing funny about it, all it has done is give ammo to goons like crapy and his gang. Any one with half a fucking brain can see he was taking the piss,its humour and sometimes the humour that sails close to the wind is very funny( to me anyway) Thick racist fuckers will take any old carrot and run with it....youll never stop em im afraid.
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Post by walrus on Dec 5, 2020 22:47:09 GMT
Yep, as someone just said, it’s a football game, and skimming the past 5 pages of this forum shouts out exactly why awareness and a stance needs to be taken against racism. Soooooo many comments, of which many I’m sure are said without awareness at all - but even the fact of saying ‘it’s gone on too long’.... perfectly exemplifies the systematic racism.l and issues that need to be re-educated and changed. I kind of agree that taking the knee has been diluted, seeing Harry Kane on FFocus today - and he said it was something he could do for the cause - but it’s a shame when we think that that’s that. We take a knee - I’ve done my bit. Still so far off the mark. Watching Ferdinands documentary the other day and the section on Kick it Out - the general consensus being, it’s a bit of ‘lip service’ - similar can be said for taking the knee - and the fact that people are on this forum saying just ‘it’s gone on long enough’ without any notion of suggestion or inclination as to that there is still so much more to be done - this is the reason there is still so much to be done. The thing with ignorance is that it’s very nature allows for the ignorance to the fact of your own ignorance. I think you’re missing the point that many on this thread (me included) are making. We’re not saying that the push for racial equality has gone on long enough. We’re saying that the players kneeling before matches as an expression of it has gone on long enough. The footballing authorities should try to find other ways of expressing their support of the anti-discrimination cause that better engage with fans as this one is not working very well any more. It’s just further alienating the kind of people who probably most need engaging and educating.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 5, 2020 22:49:33 GMT
What a load of distorted codswallop. Seeing what you want to see. Off the top of my head. Gary Neville Jamie Carragher Gary Linekar Roy Keane Peter Crouch Martin Keown Mark Chapman Robbie Savage Chris Sutton Alan Shearer Colin Murray Danny Murphy Lee Dixon Jamie Redknapp Graeme Souness Tim Sherwood Robbie Fowler Jeff Stelling Michael Owen Owen Hargreaves Glen Hoddle Steve MacManaman Not enough for you? It might be an exaggeration ,but it's not codswallop I work for the NHS and the internal jobs list today was constantly saying priority will be given to Black and ethnic minorities ( BAME ) , the disabled and lesbian gay and transgender applications ( LGBT) This is outrageous and is going to stir up a lot of bad will Priority should be given to the best applicant for the job . Everything else is literally illegal. Most of the names you have listed above have played at the highest level for arsenal Liverpool spurs man utd man city England and are the sort of people you would expect to have an informed opinion on the English premier League . I can't see what's surprises you about these names presenting premier League football in England You seem to have deliberately avoiding mentioning former England Liverpool arsenal man city players presentating the football like Ian Wright , Rio Ferdinand , Micah Richards and John Barnes ...why would you do that . You seem to have completely got the wrong end of the stick!!! Please read a post more carefully before responding. Firstly, you have to ask why jobs in certain employment sectors are being prioritised for BAME recruitment. That is probably because there is a massive imbalance at present and it is everyone's interests to address that. I know working in education there is a lack of representation from BAME communities and positive discrimination is an attempt to balanced that. It's not healthy for schools with loads of black kids to be only exposed to only white teachers for example. Secondly, There was a reason I didn't list John Barnes which should very plain to see if you see the post to which I was responding. I also was not saying those I have listed should not be there. The post I was responding to post that categorically said there are no opportunities on sports programmes for white males. That is categorically a misrepresentation. That's why I listed the names I listed.
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Post by kerouac on Dec 5, 2020 22:50:17 GMT
I thought it was funny,get with the program fam 😉 I’m guilty if not putting a winky smiley face thing at the end of it but thank you for recognising that I wasn’t being serious..... Bizarre how anyone would take that seriously....but they have. Anyway ive always liked you cos of your avatar.
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Post by slicko on Dec 5, 2020 22:57:04 GMT
Full respect to this lad and his family. His father made such a difference to the direction of British music - for that I’ll be always grateful.
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Post by Royal Donut on Dec 5, 2020 22:59:59 GMT
Well if they work for the NHS like me , then they don't have those opportunities .It clearly says in black and white that priority will be given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants. Which surprised me , because I thought it was illegal to give priority to anyone other than the best applicant Maybe I am wrong ? I am not an expert in employment law But I can understand that priority given to BAME , disabled and LGBT applicants means white able bodied straight people applying will be prejudiced against .I can work that much out . I had the same with the cops but instead of priority they used words like they encourage BAME and female officers who are “under represented” in this area. This was an internal advert for armed cops. The fire service is the same, I know a person who selected applicants for Staffordshire, and white males last on the list, in fact he said half the pile of white males was never even looked at. The actually changed the fitness test to allow females join, the female test was easier, because this was sexist they dropped the males also at a later date. This is people's lives we are talking about. How about best for the job, which 95% of people will not argue,its the fairest deal after all.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 5, 2020 23:01:00 GMT
This exactly This is what people should think about before they open their gobs and boo and think they are taking some kind of high moral ground. If they are that much against it there are other ways of expressing their discomfort. This is totally insensitive and blaming taking the knee for their own prejudices is a total cop out. It shows that there is so much more work to do. The existing prejudices are the problem not the knee, if anyone had got a modicum of tolerance or sensitivity they would respect the people for whom this is important.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 5, 2020 23:01:27 GMT
Full respect to this lad and his family. His father made such a difference to the direction of British music - for that I’ll be always grateful. Didn't realise who his dad was, every day's a school day.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 23:07:43 GMT
It might be an exaggeration ,but it's not codswallop I work for the NHS and the internal jobs list today was constantly saying priority will be given to Black and ethnic minorities ( BAME ) , the disabled and lesbian gay and transgender applications ( LGBT) This is outrageous and is going to stir up a lot of bad will Priority should be given to the best applicant for the job . Everything else is literally illegal. Most of the names you have listed above have played at the highest level for arsenal Liverpool spurs man utd man city England and are the sort of people you would expect to have an informed opinion on the English premier League . I can't see what's surprises you about these names presenting premier League football in England You seem to have deliberately avoiding mentioning former England Liverpool arsenal man city players presentating the football like Ian Wright , Rio Ferdinand , Micah Richards and John Barnes ...why would you do that . You seem to have completely got the wrong end of the stick!!! Please read a post more carefully before responding. Firstly, you have to ask why jobs in certain employment sectors are being prioritised for BAME recruitment. That is probably because there is a massive imbalance at present and it is everyone's interests to address that. I know working in education there is a lack of representation from BAME communities and positive discrimination is an attempt to balanced that. It's not healthy for schools with loads of black kids to be only exposed to only white teachers for example. Secondly, There was a reason I didn't list John Barnes which should very plain to see if you see the post to which I was responding. I also was not saying those I have listed should not be there. The post I was responding to post that categorically said there are no opportunities on sports programmes for white males. That is categorically a misrepresentation. That's why I listed the names I listed. I see it differently to you . I see it , that a school with loads of black kids should be exposed to the BEST teachers regardless of whether those teachers are black or white. I see it that people going into hospital are entitled to be treated by the BEST doctors and nurses regardless of whether they are black or white I see it that suggesting applicants for NHS jobs , teaching jobs , presenting MOTD ,or anything else ,should be black or disabled or LGBT is wrong . Anyone should be allowed to apply and the best applicant should get the job .
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 5, 2020 23:07:47 GMT
If we're gonna carry on showing support for this cause by taking to the knee, then how about showing support for other causes as well... Like a minute's applause for the NHS, or come out in rainbow coloured tracksuit tops in support of LGBTQ....etc....etc
That's how daft it could become, let's just go back to normal now, come out the tunnel, shake hands (pump fists), and kick off!!!
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