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Post by spitthedog on Dec 19, 2020 18:43:34 GMT
Much better through the middle so far. Was a great performance vs Middlesbrough. Since then he’s been off the pace. Should have kept him on instead of bringing Vokes on though. sorry he was shit against Boro. He just ran a lot. Disagree, he played a massive part in our win. Its about making a difference and in that game he made a big difference. Why do you think MON is picking him? He was poor today, but he still would have been more useful up top than Vokes until the end of the game. He was just knackered.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 19, 2020 18:54:34 GMT
He’s a raw talent that our manager has high hopes for, he’s moved up to a higher league and unfortunately has been thrown into the deep end due to injuries. He’s trying his best and that’s all you can ask for, and one thing that I’ll never forget was the day that he signed for Stoke and he was blown away that in eyes he had reached the big time, I’d give him my support all day over the mercenaries who have used this club and the loyalty of its fans. I must admit I really struggle to see any talent or quality in this player! This is football not track and field! His contribution today was that he set up 3 of Blackburns' better attacks in the first half with his woeful passing! I really hope he proves me wrong, but in the last 3 games I can hardly remember having seen a player with less quality play in an attacking position for Stoke! If we could offload him I'd certainly like to see us do that I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2020 18:58:49 GMT
I must admit I really struggle to see any talent or quality in this player! This is football not track and field! His contribution today was that he set up 3 of Blackburns' better attacks in the first half with his woeful passing! I really hope he proves me wrong, but in the last 3 games I can hardly remember having seen a player with less quality play in an attacking position for Stoke! If we could offload him I'd certainly like to see us do that I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing. ... but still he lacks quality on the ball and makes bad decisions most of the time. I really wish him well, but I want Stoke to do as well as possible too, and with this player in the starting 11 I feel we are one man down before the game begins!
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 19, 2020 19:01:34 GMT
I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing. ... but still he lacks quality on the ball and makes bad decisions most of the time. I really wish him well, but I want Stoke to do as well as possible too, and with this player in the starting 11 I feel we are one man down before the game begins! The reality he is a much, much better option than Vokes. I so wish that wasn't true but it really is.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 19:03:53 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2020 19:06:06 GMT
... but still he lacks quality on the ball and makes bad decisions most of the time. I really wish him well, but I want Stoke to do as well as possible too, and with this player in the starting 11 I feel we are one man down before the game begins! The reality he is a much, much better option than Vokes. I so wish that wasn't true but it really is. Vokes certainly hasn't been great this season, but he can at least get the ball to a team mate now and then.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 19, 2020 19:07:53 GMT
I must admit I really struggle to see any talent or quality in this player! This is football not track and field! His contribution today was that he set up 3 of Blackburns' better attacks in the first half with his woeful passing! I really hope he proves me wrong, but in the last 3 games I can hardly remember having seen a player with less quality play in an attacking position for Stoke! If we could offload him I'd certainly like to see us do that I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing. Hang on a minute. He was released by the Chesterfield academy. He’s been playing professional football for four seasons all in the lower divisions, except last season for Barnsley when he played 42 games and scored 4 goals. He cannot perform at this level; however, he’s all that comes up when we scrape the bottom of the barrel. It’s head-scratching why we signed him in the first place. Verlinden must be playing really poorly in training if he and Ince are ahead of him in the pecking order.
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Post by Linx on Dec 19, 2020 19:08:20 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. Hopefully, MON is allowing Verlinden to build up his fitness and will be starting more games soon.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 19:11:02 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. Hopefully, MON is allowing Verlinden to build up his fitness and will be starting more games soon. I thought that was what the u23 games were for? Edit, I think its more to do with a lack of experience when it comes to the defencive side, I can't see any other reason.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 19:12:36 GMT
He was poor today it looks like he's shot of confidence which is odd because he started well in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 19:13:16 GMT
He works hard and keeps some movement up front at all times. But we need more than that.
He’s a striker who never scores or even looks like scoring.
He also doesn’t set up goals (so any Sidibe comparisons aren’t valid)
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Post by 4doorsaloon on Dec 19, 2020 19:24:48 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. Verlinden is weak as piss. You need to be strong and athletic at this level, he ain't got the attributes to play championship football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 19:26:31 GMT
Yes he’s limited but the lad put one hell of a shift in today. Were short on numbers but the lad did very well
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 19, 2020 19:29:30 GMT
Just been reading the thread about Jordan Cousins and how he seems to have become quite an integral part of the side of late. When he arrived I wondered why the hell we had signed him...maybe Brown's path will take a similar route as he learns from the better players around him?
I certainly hope so
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 19:29:53 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. Verlinden is weak as piss. You need to be strong and athletic at this level, he ain't got the attributes to play championship football. No harm in giving him a game, we already know Brown isn't up to it.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 19, 2020 19:31:12 GMT
I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing. ... but still he lacks quality on the ball and makes bad decisions most of the time. I really wish him well, but I want Stoke to do as well as possible too, and with this player in the starting 11 I feel we are one man down before the game begins! And so should have we kicked Cousins into football purgatory ? It wasn’t that long ago when he was the convenient villain for all what was wrong with Stoke, no he was dropped and got his head down and regrouped and has come back as the prospect once tipped for a premier league career. I’m not denying that Brown needs a break and I’m sure he’d be the first to agree, but because of his raw pace and stamina he’s a outlet for a team defending deep, the fans may not appreciate his output but I bet his teammates do, we are witnessing the birth of a team forged together through circumstances. So do you really think we should be ripping a player to pieces before he’s even started ?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2020 19:31:46 GMT
Yes he’s limited but the lad put one hell of a shift in today. Were short on numbers but the lad did very well He might did his best and no complaints about that, but he is really a mediocre league 1 one player in my opinion. If you think he is good enough for a playoff chasing Championship club I really think you're wrong. I'm sad to say this, but it's my honest opinion.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 19:32:13 GMT
Verlinden is weak as piss. You need to be strong and athletic at this level, he ain't got the attributes to play championship football. No harm in giving him a game, we already know Brown isn't up to it. We don't know that as much as we don't know if Verlinden can cope.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 19, 2020 19:33:53 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. There’s no reason we know about. But then we’re not paid a small fortune to monitor players on a day to day basis then decide on match day who should be on the pitch and when. MON is and he seems to be doing a decent job. I’m guessing there’s a very good reason why Verlinden isn’t getting game time and hopefully whatever the issue is will be rectified. I doubt very much that the manager is keeping him out of the team to weaken us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 19:36:48 GMT
Yes he’s limited but the lad put one hell of a shift in today. Were short on numbers but the lad did very well He might did his best and no complaints about that, but he is really a mediocre league 1 one player in my opinion. If you think he is good enough for a playoff chasing Championship club I really think you're wrong. I'm sad to say this, but it's my honest opinion. Totally agree with you that’s why I said he’s limited. But when the going got tough today like it did then he didn’t let us down. He rolled his sleeves up and played a good part in helping us get the points
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 19, 2020 19:40:21 GMT
I bet that you can’t wait for the return of fans to the Bet365, and then you can participate in the minority pass time of public trial and execution of a new Stoke player ! Do you really think that the player himself thought he would have played this amount of games ? At the moment all he’s been asked to be is a outlet, he’s come to Stoke to learn and improve from higher grade teammates, but unfortunately through no fault of his own those teammates are dropping like flies and literally leaving him last man standing. Hang on a minute. He was released by the Chesterfield academy. He’s been playing professional football for four seasons all in the lower divisions, except last season for Barnsley when he played 42 games and scored 4 goals. He cannot perform at this level; however, he’s all that comes up when we scrape the bottom of the barrel. It’s head-scratching why we signed him in the first place. Verlinden must be playing really poorly in training if he and Ince are ahead of him in the pecking order. And so that’s Michael O’Neils fault and he should be accountable for this signing ? It wasn’t that long ago when a player scraped from the very bottom of the barrel was given a break, I think his name was Vardy !
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2020 19:42:27 GMT
He might did his best and no complaints about that, but he is really a mediocre league 1 one player in my opinion. If you think he is good enough for a playoff chasing Championship club I really think you're wrong. I'm sad to say this, but it's my honest opinion. Totally agree with you that’s why I said he’s limited. But when the going got tough today like it did then he didn’t let us down. He rolled his sleeves up and played a good part in helping us get the points Again, no complaints about his effort, but in the first half he was one of BLACKBURN's better players unfortunately! 3 awful passes in the first half almost let them back in the game!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 20:12:24 GMT
No harm in giving him a game, we already know Brown isn't up to it. We don't know that as much as we don't know if Verlinden can cope. The only way you wouldn't know is if you havent been watching the games. I agree, we don't know that about Verlinden so we should be giving him a run, its the only way we find out one way or the other.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 20:14:12 GMT
He needs to be dropped, he's consistantly poor, there's no reason not to give Verlinden a go in the next league game. There’s no reason we know about. But then we’re not paid a small fortune to monitor players on a day to day basis then decide on match day who should be on the pitch and when. MON is and he seems to be doing a decent job. I’m guessing there’s a very good reason why Verlinden isn’t getting game time and hopefully whatever the issue is will be rectified. I doubt very much that the manager is keeping him out of the team to weaken us. I doubt that's his aim too, its no managers aim but it doesn't mean its not happening.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 20:19:34 GMT
We don't know that as much as we don't know if Verlinden can cope. The only way you wouldn't know is if you havent been watching the games. I agree, we don't know that about Verlinden so we should be giving him a run, its the only way we find out one way or the other. I've been watching the games he started really well then his form has dropped.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 19, 2020 20:36:26 GMT
There’s no reason we know about. But then we’re not paid a small fortune to monitor players on a day to day basis then decide on match day who should be on the pitch and when. MON is and he seems to be doing a decent job. I’m guessing there’s a very good reason why Verlinden isn’t getting game time and hopefully whatever the issue is will be rectified. I doubt very much that the manager is keeping him out of the team to weaken us. I doubt that's his aim too, its no managers aim but it doesn't mean its not happening. My point is I’m sure there’s a reason for why he’s not starting. I know MON isn’t above criticism. No manager is. And i know our recent performances haven’t been the most exciting. But I thinks he’s doing an incredible job in difficult circumstances. My opinion is we just have to trust that he has a good reason for not playing him.
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 19, 2020 20:46:01 GMT
We all need to be realistic and get behind Brown. He is the hardest working of the front three. OK he was a bit sloppy at times today but you can't fault the ground he covers and the enormous effort he makes. I urge you all to get behind him. Vokes in comparison was non existent.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 19, 2020 20:46:34 GMT
The only way you wouldn't know is if you havent been watching the games. I agree, we don't know that about Verlinden so we should be giving him a run, its the only way we find out one way or the other. I've been watching the games he started really well then his form has dropped. He had two good games, but fair enough he's either out of form or not up to it consistantly at this level, either way he needs replacing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 19, 2020 21:12:33 GMT
Just been reading the thread about Jordan Cousins and how he seems to have become quite an integral part of the side of late. When he arrived I wondered why the hell we had signed him...maybe Brown's path will take a similar route as he learns from the better players around him? I certainly hope so I really hope so too, but I can't see it! My first impression of Cousines was very positive by the way, thought he had a really good game in that friendly against Leicester when Shawcross broke his leg.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 19, 2020 22:53:46 GMT
I've been watching the games he started really well then his form has dropped. He had two good games, but fair enough he's either out of form or not up to it consistantly at this level, either way he needs replacing. That's two more than Verlinden then?
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