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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2021 22:29:19 GMT
If we have that up front, which hasn't been suggested anywhere. The FFP thing is a massive red herring. He cost £500k wasnt fee most widely quoted is £12m+ add ons, if the £12m is correct thats an £11.5m profit you book immediately on contracts being signed regardless of when the cash is paid, the add ons only get accounted for when they happen or become certain. This coming year we have no premiership tv money although we are shedding the dead wood its still probably a squeeze without generating extra cash. Percy just said 12m didn't he? And he's usually the most reliable, more than the fecking club when it comes to stuff for us. I just think it's overplayed and used as a bad excuse for accepting a poor outcome. It's always seemed like we'd be fine, even with the recent accounts. To me this is just a continuation of that.
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Post by gogogadget on Jun 24, 2021 22:32:11 GMT
It’s football.
He is one of the few young players that have come in, then gone on to make us a profit. He is not a Stoke fan, he is in early stages of his career. Good luck to the lad. However, this is one we have actually done quite well with. We have let a few slip in the last 10 years, we can not regain the losses of those in this deal. Wilmot will be a more than adequate replacement for a fraction of the money. Best of luck to Collins, one thing I would like to have in the contract is, Burnley get relegated, and we get promoted, we have first refusal.
Welcome to the layer cake
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Post by dioufsboots on Jun 24, 2021 22:55:52 GMT
Don't think there's many that wanted see him go but his sale could well of saved our season this time round
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 25, 2021 9:09:43 GMT
He cost £500k wasnt fee most widely quoted is £12m+ add ons, if the £12m is correct thats an £11.5m profit you book immediately on contracts being signed regardless of when the cash is paid, the add ons only get accounted for when they happen or become certain. This coming year we have no premiership tv money although we are shedding the dead wood its still probably a squeeze without generating extra cash. Percy just said 12m didn't he? And he's usually the most reliable, more than the fecking club when it comes to stuff for us. I just think it's overplayed and used as a bad excuse for accepting a poor outcome. It's always seemed like we'd be fine, even with the recent accounts. To me this is just a continuation of that. The May 20 accounts had an £88m loss (£50m non covid) I know there is some weird thing going on with FFP with the covid years being averaged or something, but May 21 will not be good reading even if they wrote off all the dead wood in may 20 accounts because the premiership tv money drops again and may 22 will have no premiership money so thats 25m+ less revenue than 31/5/20 so I am now not sure it is overplayed and the club needs to be seen to be at least trying to comply with ffp.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 25, 2021 9:27:23 GMT
He cost £500k wasnt fee most widely quoted is £12m+ add ons, if the £12m is correct thats an £11.5m profit you book immediately on contracts being signed regardless of when the cash is paid, the add ons only get accounted for when they happen or become certain. This coming year we have no premiership tv money although we are shedding the dead wood its still probably a squeeze without generating extra cash. Percy just said 12m didn't he? And he's usually the most reliable, more than the fecking club when it comes to stuff for us. I just think it's overplayed and used as a bad excuse for accepting a poor outcome. It's always seemed like we'd be fine, even with the recent accounts. To me this is just a continuation of that. You may "think" FFP is not an issue but we just recorded a £80 million loss, that's a fact. Ask yourself, why were the two deal announced simultaneously? Because our finances are being closely monitored by the EFL, like many other clubs. I posted in March it was inevitable we would need to do at least one deal for over £10 million this summer because of FFP and guess what? We have taken about £20 million off our peak wage bill of £50 million, now we need to shift another £12 to £15 million - Clucas or Allen, Bauer, Bruno, Afobe, Ince, Gregory, Etebo and if we can Vokes, McClean and Smith. The Collins deal puts £10 million or more into the accounts immediately and buys us some time - currently every move we make is shaped by FFP
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2021 16:08:50 GMT
"The decisions I make will be for what I believe – and people may not always agree with it – but what I believe will be the best interests of the club.
“With Nathan the fee is a good fee with the potential to go to a much higher fee.
“Where we are at this minute in time I feel it was a decision we had to make as a club. It helps us with Financial Fair Play and equally it allows us to trade a little bit in the market, which we’ve done by bringing in Ben Wilmot.
“We said no in January and we continually said no until the fee got to a level we felt was a good valuation for the player.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2021 17:49:50 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2021 18:43:16 GMT
Poor that the decision fell to MON.
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Post by slother on Jun 25, 2021 18:46:12 GMT
Burnley!!? Why aren’t we waiting for the mega rich clubs to start bidding? Because they weren't interested, if they were they would have easily outbid Burnley. Or they were, and Burnley paid big to get it done.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 25, 2021 19:38:26 GMT
Because they weren't interested, if they were they would have easily outbid Burnley. Or they were, and Burnley paid big to get it done. Burnley outbid one of the big 6, if they were interested, I don't think so.
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Post by slother on Jun 25, 2021 19:43:47 GMT
Or they were, and Burnley paid big to get it done. Burnley outbid one of the big 6, if they were interested, I don't think so. Not necessarily outbid but maybe moved decisively while the bigger clubs were mulling it over. Christ, who knows, right?
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Post by Veritas on Jun 25, 2021 19:47:16 GMT
Burnley outbid one of the big 6, if they were interested, I don't think so. Not necessarily outbid but maybe moved decisively while the bigger clubs were mulling it over. Christ, who knows, right? Exactly nobody knows so why do people infer it has happened for no other reason than to use it as a stick to beat the club they are supposed to support!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jun 25, 2021 19:50:04 GMT
Brentford scouting and recruitment is 50 times better than ours, thats where the issue lies. I wouldn't trust anyone at stoke to pick a gem up, we have no previous. So how did we get Collins? Or Campbell? Or Bursik? Or Arnie? There are far far more duds......we are woeful at recruitment
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 25, 2021 21:37:52 GMT
So how did we get Collins? Or Campbell? Or Bursik? Or Arnie? There are far far more duds......we are woeful at recruitment We do, of course, have a new head of recruitment and Wilmot may be the first of his gems!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2021 21:42:14 GMT
Cheerio Nath. Best of luck 👋🏻
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 25, 2021 21:47:46 GMT
Yes I agree, im not moaning, I think its good business, whether its required, and its what teams like Brentford do, yet when we do similar business, and replace accordingly with someone of a similar quality on paper, i don't see why so many people are up in arms, yet cry out that we don't do any good business, which on the face of it seems to be Brentford scouting and recruitment is 50 times better than ours, thats where the issue lies. I wouldn't trust anyone at stoke to pick a gem up, we have no previous. That's a ridiculous statement. Are you sure they are not 49 times better? Do you know what their process is or what their failures have been? Sounds like a cheap kick at the club.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 25, 2021 21:52:54 GMT
Poor that the decision fell to MON. For gods sake we only pay the chief executive 850k a year you can’t expect him to make commercial decisions or hold him accountable for those he doesn’t make 😉
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Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2021 21:53:39 GMT
Poor that the decision fell to MON. For gods sake we only pay the chief executive 850k a year you can’t expect him to make commercial decisions or hold him accountable for those he doesn’t make 😉 I'd rather anyone made transfer decisions than Scholes
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 26, 2021 6:47:42 GMT
Poor that the decision fell to MON. Poor from a structure point of view yes, but looking at the idiots within the structure we've definitely let the right man make the decision. I wouldn't let Brother John or Little To buy or sell me a pair of shoelaces.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 26, 2021 6:51:31 GMT
We're not in a position to risk keeping him for a few more weeks to try and eek out another £1m or £2m. This simply had to be done early in the window to give us the best opportunity to use the money on the squad. Selling him later in the window would've left us in a position of trying to get all our business done late because it's apparent no signings would've been possible without this sale, MON pretty much said as much too.
Good decision for me.
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Post by questionable on Jun 26, 2021 8:59:08 GMT
Poor that the decision fell to MON. Not a chance it fell on him
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jun 26, 2021 17:12:23 GMT
Brentford scouting and recruitment is 50 times better than ours, thats where the issue lies. I wouldn't trust anyone at stoke to pick a gem up, we have no previous. That's a ridiculous statement. Are you sure they are not 49 times better? Do you know what their process is or what their failures have been? Sounds like a cheap kick at the club. So our recruitment has been decent? I would say that out of our transfers of the last 3 years.....10% have been ok/improved us...the rest have all been.....meh
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 27, 2021 16:13:03 GMT
That's a ridiculous statement. Are you sure they are not 49 times better? Do you know what their process is or what their failures have been? Sounds like a cheap kick at the club. So our recruitment has been decent? I would say that out of our transfers of the last 3 years.....10% have been ok/improved us...the rest have all been.....meh But, in order to be 50 times better than us, Brentford would have had to make ZERO errors and 100% worldly great signings. If you are going to use meaningless exaggeration, expect to get pushback. In the past 3 years, Brentford have done better than us. Before that we mostly did better than them. We need to improve, and I think we are slowly doing so.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jun 27, 2021 19:30:04 GMT
So our recruitment has been decent? I would say that out of our transfers of the last 3 years.....10% have been ok/improved us...the rest have all been.....meh But, in order to be 50 times better than us, Brentford would have had to make ZERO errors and 100% worldly great signings. If you are going to use meaningless exaggeration, expect to get pushback. In the past 3 years, Brentford have done better than us. Before that we mostly did better than them. We need to improve, and I think we are slowly doing so. Ok, meaningless exaggeration aside, and meaningless pushback abounding...our recruitment has been pretty shit.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 27, 2021 22:32:24 GMT
But, in order to be 50 times better than us, Brentford would have had to make ZERO errors and 100% worldly great signings. If you are going to use meaningless exaggeration, expect to get pushback. In the past 3 years, Brentford have done better than us. Before that we mostly did better than them. We need to improve, and I think we are slowly doing so. Ok, meaningless exaggeration aside, and meaningless pushback abounding...our recruitment has been pretty shit. No one is disputing that, but because it's been pretty dross for the last 3 years does not mean it'll be that way going forward - just as our excellent recruiting earlier did'nt continue forever.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 15, 2021 13:32:12 GMT
Unused sub yesterday along with Pieters and Bardsley.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 15, 2021 14:02:03 GMT
I wasn’t well pleased when Collins was sold. However the re-investment in Ostergard, Wilmot, Vrancic and Surridge have proved the decision to sell was the right one (so far). We have a history of poor signings in recent years without doing our homework, We seem to finally have a good recruitment plan rather than the previous policy of throwing spaghetti as the wall and see what sticks. I’d be much more concerned if Souttar was to be sold as well. He’s just signed a new contract, which means he’ll command a high price. He’d sit on the bench if he were to be signed for a “big club”, which won’t allow him to develop. Therefore, I think (hope) he’ll stick with Stoke for at least this season. Who knows what will happen after that.
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Post by parsonage on Aug 15, 2021 16:18:20 GMT
Taking everything in the round, agreed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 15, 2021 17:04:26 GMT
That was a very very bad result for them yesterday , could be a very tricky season for them
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Post by parsonage on Aug 15, 2021 17:22:49 GMT
Well if Nat finds himself back in this Division next year l, for one, will give him a really good reception.
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