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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 15:42:14 GMT
Why undisclosed? When they publish the accounts it will be obvious.. is that the case? Not really - but you can get an idea as to how much was paid for players bought and sold by looking at the next annual accounts. At the end of the day what really matters is whether we replace Collins with a player with similar potential and for less than we sold him for. If (big if) Wilmot turns out to be as good as Collins (they are both U21 internationals) then we'll be around £12 million in profit on today's business!
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Post by BuckRogers on Jun 24, 2021 15:42:42 GMT
I'm not crying over him leaving. He's got potential, but we will see what happens with him. My opinion, we won't notice him gone.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 24, 2021 15:44:43 GMT
Why undisclosed? When they publish the accounts it will be obvious.. By that time we would've brought other players without the other club knowing we've got 15mill burning an hole in our arse pocket. OK that makes perfect sense! Starting to understand the strategy behind "undisclosed" now - that would influence a future buy.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 24, 2021 15:49:21 GMT
Good luck Nathan. A pleasure to see the start of what will hopefully be a great career at a high level. Sadly most of the matches have been via a bl**dy screen.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 24, 2021 15:54:55 GMT
Sad to see one of our best young players flogged off to pay for shite financial management of the club, take a bow chief exec. Best of luck in your career, enjoy the relegation scrap next season. Maybe see you again at the Bet 365 in season 22/23.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 16:02:46 GMT
Burnley's record transfer fee?
#scholesout
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Post by ratters on Jun 24, 2021 16:07:28 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 16:10:12 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance Everyone has a hobby - and for some Stokies it is moaning at anything the club does or doesn't do!
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2021 16:16:16 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 24, 2021 16:21:06 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence. Under FFP we have our hands tied so this is a good piece of business, we coped pretty well without Collins for the last part of the season, I think this is a good deal all round.
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Post by mattface on Jun 24, 2021 16:28:03 GMT
We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence. Under FFP we have our hands tied so this is a good piece of business, we coped pretty well without Collins for the last part of the season, I think this is a good deal all round. Obviously disappointed to see him go, but a replacement is already in the building and a decent looking one at that. If it provides more cash to recruit it could work out to be a good piece of business
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2021 16:29:51 GMT
We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence. Under FFP we have our hands tied so this is a good piece of business, we coped pretty well without Collins for the last part of the season, I think this is a good deal all round. I don’t think it is but what it certainly isn’t is a piece of well thought out policy by the club. It’s just a desperation move forced on them by the regulations you mention. Nobody deserves a pat on the back for loosing a player of immense potential for a low level PL fee to a club we should have left in our wake.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 24, 2021 16:37:39 GMT
Hate that he’s gone but this is what an academy is for. Hope he smashes it and plays at the top level and if he does he’ll always have our name on his cv at the start and not at the finish. Go arn Nath!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 16:38:25 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance We're now at a level where we need to sell to strengthen. It's just the way it is. If Souttar attracted a bid of £15m tomorrow, I'd probably take that, too. The last piece of the jigsaw is then using the funds well, to build a side capable of challenging. We're not going to see that anytime soon with no money spent.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2021 16:41:43 GMT
Why undisclosed? When they publish the accounts it will be obvious.. Hopefully so other clubs don't know how much we've got to spend when we go shopping this summer.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 24, 2021 16:52:42 GMT
Stoke have to sell / can't keep their best players again shock - just like the old days !!!
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Post by houstonsteve on Jun 24, 2021 17:08:29 GMT
Very sad to see Nathan leave but needs must I suppose. Good luck Nathan. Think you’ll end up a bigger club than Burnley pretty soon.
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Jun 24, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
Sad day 😞 Paid £9 million for Vokes. Sold Collins for £12 million + add-ons.
Burnley must be laughing their socks off! Another clusterfuck engineered by Mr Scholes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 17:54:00 GMT
Sad day 😞 Paid £9 million for Vokes. Sold Collins for £12 million + add-ons. Burnley must be laughing their socks off! Another clusterfuck engineered by Mr Scholes. Or £20m but Burnley would only pay that if it was undisclosed? Also stops a massive price tag being on his head.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 24, 2021 17:55:54 GMT
Under FFP we have our hands tied so this is a good piece of business, we coped pretty well without Collins for the last part of the season, I think this is a good deal all round. I don’t think it is but what it certainly isn’t is a piece of well thought out policy by the club. It’s just a desperation move forced on them by the regulations you mention. Nobody deserves a pat on the back for loosing a player of immense potential for a low level PL fee to a club we should have left in our wake. Potential being the buzz word, he's done very well but 12/15 million for an untested 21 year old in the prem is hardly a low fee. The club being in this position in the first place is very regrettable but I still stand by that they did things in the best interest for the club and sadly it didn't work out.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2021 17:56:20 GMT
Sad day 😞 Paid £9 million for Vokes. Sold Collins for £12 million + add-ons. Burnley must be laughing their socks off! Another clusterfuck engineered by Mr Scholes. £7m for Vokes £15m+ for Collins (if Burnley media to be relied upon)
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Jun 24, 2021 18:02:04 GMT
Sad day 😞 Paid £9 million for Vokes. Sold Collins for £12 million + add-ons. Burnley must be laughing their socks off! Another clusterfuck engineered by Mr Scholes. (if Burnley media to be relied upon) I wouldn’t trust those buggers as far as I could spit!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 18:04:53 GMT
So you have people in the past moaning at what someone like brentford does and has good recruitment, then we do something brentford would do, sell for a price and replace with similar quality for a fraction of the price and plenty of people are up in arms. I dont get it? Or is it that some just want to moan and moan at the club no matter what they do? crap training gear? crap selling of players? replacing with crap? crap that the free coach for away can't be used by everyone? I just dont get the mentality. We are having a bad time, like all clubs do, think sometimes it just needs accepting we are trying to do what we can to improve and get out of it, and not beat the club with every stick at every chance We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence. Wuzza - obviously we have bigger crowds and richer owners than Brentford. But, because of the mistakes we all know about 3 or so years ago, FFP means that we are currently less able to spend new money than Brentford were. Given the FFP constraints, selling an Under 21 int'l centre back for £15 million and buying an Under 21 int'l replacement, with more experience and possibly similar potential, for £13 million less is EXACTLY what we should be doing to try to mitigate the effects of FFP. If you think today has been poor business, what would you be doing to fund improvements to the squad without breaching FFP until we have all the deadwood out of contract in the next two years?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 24, 2021 18:38:13 GMT
Burnley seems like a bit of a sideways move - we could well be above them within a year or two, promotion or not. I would've thought another year at Stoke would've been good for Stoke and Collins. Then again, who is to say we're not selling while his value is high, after being burnt on Butland etc. after relegation. Timing-wise and especially given his fee, Wilmot seems like an excellent replacement.
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Post by Marc01 on Jun 24, 2021 18:50:40 GMT
Burnley seems like a bit of a sideways move - we could well be above them within a year or two, promotion or not. I would've thought another year at Stoke would've been good for Stoke and Collins. Then again, who is to say we're not selling while his value is high, after being burnt on Butland etc. after relegation. Timing-wise and especially given his fee, Wilmot seems like an excellent replacement. Yes, the replacement seems to be a good one, especially considering the fee. A week or so ago, I thought that it would be smart for Stoke to have a buy back option clause on Collins for no more than what they paid (should certain events transpire). I am not aware to what extent such clauses are a feature in transfer deals but with Burnley so desperate to get him it’s something that we potentially could have driven a hard bargain on.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2021 19:02:44 GMT
I don’t think it is but what it certainly isn’t is a piece of well thought out policy by the club. It’s just a desperation move forced on them by the regulations you mention. Nobody deserves a pat on the back for loosing a player of immense potential for a low level PL fee to a club we should have left in our wake. Potential being the buzz word, he's done very well but 12/15 million for an untested 21 year old in the prem is hardly a low fee. The club being in this position in the first place is very regrettable but I still stand by that they did things in the best interest for the club and sadly it didn't work out. Totally agree - it’s all been done with good motives. Backed managers to the full.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2021 19:11:53 GMT
We are not a club in remotely the same financial position as Brentford. We should not be selling quality when we have it. There is no way this can be dressed up as a positive move by the club it is merely an action forced upon it by external forces and its own incompetence. Wuzza - obviously we have bigger crowds and richer owners than Brentford. But, because of the mistakes we all know about 3 or so years ago, FFP means that we are currently less able to spend new money than Brentford were. Given the FFP constraints, selling an Under 21 int'l centre back for £15 million and buying an Under 21 int'l replacement, with more experience and possibly similar potential, for £13 million less is EXACTLY what we should be doing to try to mitigate the effects of FFP. If you think today has been poor business, what would you be doing to fund improvements to the squad without breaching FFP until we have all the deadwood out of contract in the next two years? [/quote I haven’t really got a logical argument or clever proposal 🙂 - but it just feels all wrong to me. We have weakened our squad today and folk are getting excited. I’ve got to have more faith in our new recruitment set up I suppose.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 19:15:43 GMT
Wuzza - obviously we have bigger crowds and richer owners than Brentford. But, because of the mistakes we all know about 3 or so years ago, FFP means that we are currently less able to spend new money than Brentford were. Given the FFP constraints, selling an Under 21 int'l centre back for £15 million and buying an Under 21 int'l replacement, with more experience and possibly similar potential, for £13 million less is EXACTLY what we should be doing to try to mitigate the effects of FFP. If you think today has been poor business, what would you be doing to fund improvements to the squad without breaching FFP until we have all the deadwood out of contract in the next two years? [/quote I haven’t really got a logical argument or clever proposal 🙂 - but it just feels all wrong to me. We have weakened our squad today and folk are getting excited. I’ve got to have more faith in our new recruitment set up I suppose. How do you know we have weakened the squad today? Is a current England U21 centre back necessarily less of an asset than a current Irish U21 centre back? He may be of course - equally he may not be. Neither you nor I know the answer to that question yet!
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Post by Marc01 on Jun 24, 2021 19:32:15 GMT
Potential being the buzz word, he's done very well but 12/15 million for an untested 21 year old in the prem is hardly a low fee. The club being in this position in the first place is very regrettable but I still stand by that they did things in the best interest for the club and sadly it didn't work out. Totally agree - it’s all been done with good motives. Backed managers to the full. I’m sure that with the benefit of hindsight, many signings made would never have touched with a barge pole, along with certain contract extensions. Fees were sanctioned as the club back judgements of managers. It is amazing that so many extremely costly duds were taken on over a three year period, starting with Imbula in Jan 2016. Players that the club signed in good faith but who lacked pride and character. They failed to perform and, in numerous instances, even failed to apply themselves, while giving the impression that they were hard done to despite collecting exceptional wage packets each week.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2021 19:34:49 GMT
How do you know we have weakened the squad today? Is a current England U21 centre back necessarily less of an asset than a current Irish U21 centre back? He may be of course - equally he may not be. Neither you nor I know the answer to that question yet! I don’t know , it’s just my opinion based on my feeling that Collins is a class act and class acts are not usually released by PL bound clubs to play in the Championship. I hope the new lad is good - odds would say it’s unlikely he will be as good as Collins though. We shall see.
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