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Post by Squeekster on Oct 4, 2020 18:29:33 GMT
I've just done a quick number grab from last season and this season. Last season we averaged 12.2 shots per game, 4.2 shots on target per game and 1.5 goals per game under O'Neill with his back four system. Including the last two games of last season where he used his 5 at the back system, and this season we are averaging 10.5 shots per game, 2.5 shots on target per game and 1.2 goals per game. The stats are skewed somewhat by the game at Forest, where we had 4 shots on goal and scored all 4. This alters the efficiency of that particular system by quite a distance. I can only assume, without further stats to look at, that the decrease in Shots to Shots on Target ratio is because we are having more shots from distance because we aren't getting enough bodies in and around the box this season? Wasn't one of the forest goals an og?
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Post by Goonie on Oct 4, 2020 18:38:25 GMT
MON must have found the Pulis coaching manual in his desk. 'Football and the Complexity and Proliferation of Formations in the Modern Era: a beginners Guide to Tactis and Strategy' by AR Pulis Introduction: many thanks to Sir Peter Chapters 1-8 Defence Chapters 9-14 'The Cage' Chapter 15 'Attack' Chapter 16 ' Dont tell me you're a centre back. You're a wingback if I say so' a guide to man management in the dressing room (and showers) Appendix and glossary
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 4, 2020 19:25:46 GMT
I've just done a quick number grab from last season and this season. Last season we averaged 12.2 shots per game, 4.2 shots on target per game and 1.5 goals per game under O'Neill with his back four system. Including the last two games of last season where he used his 5 at the back system, and this season we are averaging 10.5 shots per game, 2.5 shots on target per game and 1.2 goals per game. The stats are skewed somewhat by the game at Forest, where we had 4 shots on goal and scored all 4. This alters the efficiency of that particular system by quite a distance. I can only assume, without further stats to look at, that the decrease in Shots to Shots on Target ratio is because we are having more shots from distance because we aren't getting enough bodies in and around the box this season? I wonder if it’s fully reasonable to compare a handful of matches this season with 30 odd last season. We haven’t played anyone obviously defensively poor yet. Birmingham were toss last season but they’re a different proposition now. Bristol, Millwall and Preston are all defensively competent and in reasonable form. Personally I’d prefer us to be more attacking. However, if I think back to last season’s 3/4/5 goal wins most of them (apart from the final day) were against poor sides Hull/Huddersfield etc. Is our disappointing early form just a case of us having a reasonably difficult set of opening fixtures?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 19:36:32 GMT
4 4 2 4 3 3
Wing backs and diamonds just too intricate for me.
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 4, 2020 19:44:47 GMT
I’m actually quite board of it all, the whole thing has become a chore to watch. I’m going to bow out for a few months I think cos I’m sick of watching a cow give birth.... I mean stoke city,
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 4, 2020 19:46:03 GMT
We've got a really unbalanced squad, haven't we?
Even Tony Pulis would baulk at the number of the centre backs we have in the squad. We now have Batth, Indi, Lyndsay, Chester, Shawcross, Souttar and Collins. Was the manager sceptical that Souttar and Collins would step up this season? Has he completely given up on Ryan? What made him think that he needed to bring in James Chester? I can't help but think that this glut inspired, at least in part, the move to three centre backs, since a number of those players are generally thought to look better in a three.
However, the move to three at the back makes some of our highest earners completely redundant. McClean tries his best at left wing back but is quite clearly out of position, and Ince is now persona non-grata. It also suggests that there's not much of a future here for Verlinden. Perhaps our having not brought in a proper winger is evidence that there are no plans to move back to 4-3-3. It also means that we're playing with wing backs without actually having pacey wing backs, with the possible exception of Tymon.
It might not be so bad if our central midfield three could impose itself and really dominate a game, but the balance isn't there yet. I think that Mikel has done a very good job of shielding the defence and stopping us from being overrun, but Clucas really struggles to affect a game if he isn't popping up with a goal. I don't want to be overly negative, but we can't rely on Powell remaining fit for an extended period of time based on his career to date. The alternatives in the middle - Cousins, Sorensen and Thompson - are all really much of a muchness.
I'm not sure where we really go from here. I suppose this is why O'Neill has been telling the press that we're a long way from a finished product all week.
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Post by questionable on Oct 4, 2020 20:12:53 GMT
MON is a mixture of Rowette and Jones, still persists with wing backs when we don’t have such players then there’s the tip tapping around and going nowhere quick.
Surely he’s not that stupid to go down the same routes, going nowhere with his management other than stagnate based on his league set ups.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 4, 2020 20:20:15 GMT
Also, if he's going to play this formation at least select the right personnel. What has TOB, Chester, Gregory, Fox done to warrant selection? The back 3 we played at villa wouldn't have conceded that shite goal. He signed 3 of those 4 that’s why they are playing
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Oct 4, 2020 20:22:30 GMT
Wing backs just create a weaker defender and winger. It’s why the system is generally considered shite, especially at this level.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 4, 2020 21:53:50 GMT
Wing backs just create a weaker defender and winger. It’s why the system is generally considered shite, especially at this level. Chelsea looked fine under Conti. Bit it does depend on recruiting or identifying proper Wing backs and having the other players to fit round them
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 4, 2020 22:41:54 GMT
I've just done a quick number grab from last season and this season. Last season we averaged 12.2 shots per game, 4.2 shots on target per game and 1.5 goals per game under O'Neill with his back four system. Including the last two games of last season where he used his 5 at the back system, and this season we are averaging 10.5 shots per game, 2.5 shots on target per game and 1.2 goals per game. The stats are skewed somewhat by the game at Forest, where we had 4 shots on goal and scored all 4. This alters the efficiency of that particular system by quite a distance. I can only assume, without further stats to look at, that the decrease in Shots to Shots on Target ratio is because we are having more shots from distance because we aren't getting enough bodies in and around the box this season? Or that our shooting isn't as accurate this season? Has Campbell had a shot on target yet this season yet last season nearly every one of his attempts seemed to be on target. I'm sure it will come. And Clucas hasn't looked like scoring this season yet but last season was a reliable finisher. His mis- controll of that through ball when he would have been one on one with the gk was typical of his form this season. Nothing to do with systems.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 4, 2020 22:50:56 GMT
Gregory's header not hitting the target had nothing to do with systems either today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2020 22:51:53 GMT
Gregory's header not hitting the target had nothing to do with systems either today. It had everything to do with what idiot starts with Lee Gregory?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 5, 2020 1:00:24 GMT
The midfield has been poor all season, created very few chances (which their main job) and scored even less. The common denominator and the only differ from last season is Mikkel. I am not convinced he’s contributing much of anything. I’d give him a one more game and then drop him if performances don’t improve.
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