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Post by xchpotter on Jun 10, 2020 6:34:30 GMT
This really could come and bite us on the arse. Get well soon Michael.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 10, 2020 6:49:15 GMT
There was a pic of the team coach leaving Carrington, just behind the ambulance. If MON and the players had all been on that coach earlier...doesn't bear thinking about
Anyone know if that was the case?
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Post by bolders on Jun 10, 2020 6:58:50 GMT
There was a pic of the team coach leaving Carrington, just behind the ambulance. If MON and the players had all been on that coach earlier...doesn't bear thinking about Anyone know if that was the case? I thought they had to drive there themselves? I remember reading in an earlier article that the players had
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 10, 2020 6:59:16 GMT
There was a pic of the team coach leaving Carrington, just behind the ambulance. If MON and the players had all been on that coach earlier...doesn't bear thinking about Anyone know if that was the case? The players and staff all made their own way there.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 10, 2020 8:10:46 GMT
It may well be that the renewed season will have all sorts of problems with players getting the virus, but the players who don’t want to run the risk of infection can presumably opt out. I don’t think that’s a reason not to go ahead. Shit happens all the time in arbitrary ways to arbitrary people. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. The classic example is Man U in 1958. Lost 4/5 of their team in Munich .... and still went on to win their first game following the disaster!! I say “play on.” If I remember rightly, they took the flight back home, rather than delay, because the Football League authorities insisted that they full-fill their Saturday fixture. After the crash, their immediate fixtures were postponed by the Football league (kindness a bit too late!) until they cobbled together a side and brought in some players. I don't think the EFL will permit a postponement due to MON being unavailable. I am as desperate as anyone to see live football again, but I do think there is indecent haste driven by money.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 10, 2020 8:32:46 GMT
Just shows that maybe the conspiracy theories about Hull and Bournemouth now look silly, after all we are only 3 points safe ourselves. Get well soon
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 10, 2020 8:46:14 GMT
MON had 6 previous tests that were nagative.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jun 10, 2020 9:14:42 GMT
MON had 6 previous tests that were nagative. One of our guys tested negative but was still really poorly and a scan found it on his chest!!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2020 9:17:32 GMT
MON had 6 previous tests that were nagative. PCR can test negative multiple times. If the sample quality is poor or the infection is in early stages. Of course he could also have simply not been infected at the time of those previous tests too. A positive result is far more likely to be correct than a negative one for various technical reasons with the swab analysis.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 10, 2020 9:41:48 GMT
This is farcical. The most important cog in a nogger team is the manager. As someone has said earlier in this thread, they ban managers to punish a team so not having one running the show will be punishing us.
Get well soon Boss.
OS.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 10, 2020 10:27:31 GMT
MON had 6 previous tests that were nagative. One of our guys tested negative but was still really poorly and a scan found it on his chest!! Is there an element of human error in the testing. For example, if you suspected that someone was infected, for known contact reasons or whatever, then surely you might be expecting to find it and will look more diligentaly for the evidence. If you are not expecting to get a positive result from someone you might not look so hard to find it. If you are expecting to get a negative result that may well be what you will get, so you stop looking further. Judgements can be coloured by expectation. And testing results might be affected accordingly.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 10, 2020 10:34:34 GMT
One of our guys tested negative but was still really poorly and a scan found it on his chest!! Is there an element of human error in the testing. For example, if you suspected that someone was infected, for known contact reasons or whatever, then surely you might be expecting to find it and will look more diligentaly for the evidence. If you are not expecting to get a positive result from someone you might not look so hard to find it. If you are expecting to get a negative result that may well be what you will get, so you stop looking further. Judgements can be coloured by expectation. And testing results might be affected accordingly. Whilst that is entirely possible, you'd like to think that won't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 10:34:56 GMT
MON had 6 previous tests that were nagative. PCR can test negative multiple times. If the sample quality is poor or the infection is in early stages. Of course he could also have simply not been infected at the time of those previous tests too. A positive result is far more likely to be correct than a negative one for various technical reasons with the swab analysis. It's quite ironic since O'Neill mentioned in a Sentinel article recently, that Stoke are doing things right by using an external company to run testing yet other clubs were doing it themselves, increasing the risk for false negatives.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2020 10:37:53 GMT
One of our guys tested negative but was still really poorly and a scan found it on his chest!! Is there an element of human error in the testing. For example, if you suspected that someone was infected, for known contact reasons or whatever, then surely you might be expecting to find it and will look more diligentaly for the evidence. If you are not expecting to get a positive result from someone you might not look so hard to find it. If you are expecting to get a negative result that may well be what you will get, so you stop looking further. Judgements can be coloured by expectation. And testing results might be affected accordingly. The test is run on a machine, but there may be some subconscious bias with swabbing intensity if you think someone is infected. But if a healthcare professional is carrying out the test I think that’s unlikely tbh. In terms of actually running the sample there’s no human bias at all, it goes into a machine and gives you a signal if the genetic material is above the limit of detection it’s not really open to interpretation it’s either there or not. Basically if you get these lines, the result is positive. How early they come up is inversely proportional to how much of the virus material you have. I.E if the line emerges at cycle 25 you have a bigger infection than if the line emerges at cycle 35. The different lines her are the sample being diluted for technical reasons. Hence why a diluted sample will come up at a later cycle. They also run a control to make sure this isn’t contamination by running the reaction with just water in the tube, if that line doesn’t come up you can confidently say it’s a positive sample and not false positive. See “negative control” below:
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 10, 2020 10:58:16 GMT
Yikes. No wonder the forum was down last night. I thought we'd re-signed Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. Thankfully, O'Neill isn't showing symptoms and his risk is still low, but as we saw with the PM, COVID-19 can take a long time to manifest. I keep saying I won't believe the season restarting (which is the first Stoke game for me) until I see it. Things seem to be going well in the Bundesliga, which is a positive. Why is it okay for League 1 and 2 to just stop the season now and we have to carry on? Is it honestly just down to money and TV contracts? If so, it's disgraceful. It's only down to money and TV contracts League One clubs are at much greater risk of going out of business with the expense of putting matches on with no gate receipts.
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Post by wherty on Jun 10, 2020 11:04:26 GMT
I didnt realise we had so many respiratory consultants as stoke fans 😀
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Post by liathroid on Jun 10, 2020 11:12:36 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 10, 2020 11:30:25 GMT
Can anyone let me know how Man Yoo are getting on through this traumatic experience they've been through please?
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 10, 2020 12:18:08 GMT
Can anyone let me know how Man Yoo are getting on through this traumatic experience they've been through please? Having a spa day .
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Post by skippy on Jun 10, 2020 12:39:18 GMT
The gaffer would have been hoping for a positive result away at Man U but I don't think this is quite what he would have had in mind...
All joking apart hope he gets well soon he's been great for us.
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Post by datguy on Jun 10, 2020 13:00:01 GMT
Massive shame for us, this. He's been great and to miss him for any games is really unfortunate.
When's he coming back? Two weeks yesterday?
Best of luck to Billy McKinlay as well. Go on son.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 10, 2020 13:01:16 GMT
This is not football. This is not fun. This is not entertainment. Scrap the lot. But it is a job to a lot of people and not just the footballers. I maintain if it can be done safely, then it should resume. It isn't just about you enjoying a couple of hours now is it, although yes I get that is a huge part of it personally for ourselves.
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Post by neckender78 on Jun 10, 2020 13:04:17 GMT
Can anyone let me know how Man Yoo are getting on through this traumatic experience they've been through please? Just put sky sports or talksport on am sure they are giving hourly updates. All they were bothered about when I turned on for a couple of mins last night was to inform the nation that no Shit players or staff had come into contact with him. All the best Micheal hope we see you soon fit and healthy and back to work for us.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 10, 2020 13:25:09 GMT
This is not football. This is not fun. This is not entertainment. Scrap the lot. But it is a job to a lot of people and not just the footballers. I maintain if it can be done safely, then it should resume. It isn't just about you enjoying a couple of hours now is it, although yes I get that is a huge part of it personally for ourselves. The problem is, if nobody enjoys it the jobs will go anyway. It's sad and terrible and, don't get me wrong, I'd love it to restart, but there are far too many people within the clubs coming down with the virus. It's a recipe for disaster. If anyone gets this badly and dies, football is over for a very long time.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 10, 2020 13:30:06 GMT
But it is a job to a lot of people and not just the footballers. I maintain if it can be done safely, then it should resume. It isn't just about you enjoying a couple of hours now is it, although yes I get that is a huge part of it personally for ourselves. The problem is, if nobody enjoys it the jobs will go anyway. It's sad and terrible and, don't get me wrong, I'd love it to restart, but there are far too many people within the clubs coming down with the virus. It's a recipe for disaster. If anyone gets this badly and dies, football is over for a very long time. Absolutely, the moment there is any hint of things not being safe, it should shut up shop completely. I've not watched any Bundesliga, so I have no idea how 'entertaining' it has been, but whilst the sport is worth Billions, jobs will always be there. From catering staff, to organisers, to coaches and footballers.
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Post by musik on Jun 10, 2020 13:55:16 GMT
Positive test without symptoms? Does it mean he gets a mild version?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 10, 2020 14:15:50 GMT
Positive test without symptoms? Does it mean he gets a mild version? It’s called Coronavirus Korma🤦🏻♂️
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Post by AlliG on Jun 10, 2020 14:51:33 GMT
Hopefully he will remain well and asymptomatic and will be back at the earliest allowed date.
p.s. Has anyone heard from Benji today?
He was getting very stressed the other day and I am concerned that a bit of actual bad news might tip him over the edge.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 10, 2020 16:12:27 GMT
Positive test without symptoms? Does it mean he gets a mild version? Half the people infected take up to 5 days to show symptoms and the other half may not show symptoms for up to 12 days so I would have thought it's too early to say whether MoN will get no reaction, a mild reaction or a severe one. In the grand scheme of things I would have thought he is in a fairly low risk group so hopefully he'll be ok.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 10, 2020 16:24:08 GMT
Positive test without symptoms? Does it mean he gets a mild version? Apologies Musik I didn’t mean to make light of the situation👍🏻 The folk who know more will let you know what it means because I haven’t got a clue🤷🏻♂️
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