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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 21:39:06 GMT
Are we really debating how he caught the virus ffs? Someone might have coughed in his face for all we know. It’s infected ~5,000,000 in this country as a lower bound based on serology. Chances are someone at the club would eventually test positive. All that matters now is that he’s isolated as quick as possible, the players are thoroughly tested and assessed and he recovers. Get well soon Michael. Absolutely The experts out in force
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2020 21:40:08 GMT
They've never suspended games before when managers have been ill, it's happened a hundred times I think the difference here PL, is, is he so ill that the can't actually coach his players (the examples you are talking about), or is he perfectly capable of coaching his players but he is being banned from his club because he's perceived as being a threat to others? Point taken, although surely in practical terms it just gets treated as being sick now? For example presumably contracted essential workers who test positive get sick pay for the period of self-isolation, even though they might be perfectly well enough to work? Not sure there's much of a case to argue it's completely different from any enforced period of absence due to illness really. Although this is going to affect a lot more people & clubs than your average periods of sick leave for sure, we're not going to be the only ones.
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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2020 21:40:30 GMT
Goodness me. I wonder how he caught covid?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 9, 2020 21:43:06 GMT
Fuck, Fuck, Fuck, Fuck....
FUCK OFF COVID-19!!!!
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Post by Davef on Jun 9, 2020 21:46:00 GMT
He just need to isolate for 7 days, then retest at 7 and 10 days. Both need to be negative to allow return. Hopefully thats the case meaning he will be back for Reading Is it really that simple? Do we know when he was last tested? He was obviously in Manchester today so he's either asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. If he's asymptotic, then he has a very good chance of making the Reading game. The incubation period for the virus is, on average, five days, so if he develops symptoms then he could be out of action for possibly three weeks.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 9, 2020 21:47:58 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 9, 2020 21:49:41 GMT
I think the difference here PL, is, is he so ill that the can't actually coach his players (the examples you are talking about), or is he perfectly capable of coaching his players but he is being banned from his club because he's perceived as being a threat to others? Point taken, although surely in practical terms it just gets treated as being sick now? For example presumably contracted essential workers who test positive get sick pay for the period of self-isolation, even though they might be perfectly well enough to work? Not sure there's much of a case to argue it's completely different from any enforced period of absence due to illness really. Although this is going to affect a lot more people & clubs than your average periods of sick leave for sure, we're not going to be the only ones. I'm really stretching this to make the point but let's say Klopp and half of his first team squad go down with it badly, they haven't actually got a great deal of depth in the squad and they have to play a heavily weakened side for the rest of the season, which ultimately leads to them not winning the title. Can you imagine how ridiculous that would make the decision to restart look? Now clearly it is extremely unlikely that that scenario will actually happen but it looks like there's a very real chance of degrees of that scenario potentially happening, so much so, that clubs could be relegated or not be promoted because they've been disadvantaged by having to isolate due to testing positive (and nothing more) for the virus.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 9, 2020 21:49:44 GMT
Get well soon Mr O'Neill
Big issue for us, arguably the worst person part of the first team (i.e not including directors) who could get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 21:50:16 GMT
Shit Rob Dorsett says MON is unwell, that's fucked it.....
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2020 21:56:11 GMT
I am truly shocked by this news. It's almost like hearing a close friend has been hit by it.
God protect him and grant him full recovery.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2020 22:00:05 GMT
All of English football stopped when the Arsenal manager got Covid19. Not quite the same In what way?
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2020 22:00:36 GMT
Point taken, although surely in practical terms it just gets treated as being sick now? For example presumably contracted essential workers who test positive get sick pay for the period of self-isolation, even though they might be perfectly well enough to work? Not sure there's much of a case to argue it's completely different from any enforced period of absence due to illness really. Although this is going to affect a lot more people & clubs than your average periods of sick leave for sure, we're not going to be the only ones. I'm really stretching this to make the point but let's say Klopp and half of his first team squad go down with it badly, they haven't actually got a great deal of depth in the squad and they have to play a heavily weakened side for the rest of the season, which ultimately leads to them not winning the title. Can you imagine how ridiculous that would make the decision to restart look? Now clearly it is extremely unlikely that that scenario will actually happen but it looks like there's a very real chance of degrees of that scenario potentially happening, so much so, that clubs could be relegated or not be promoted because they've been disadvantaged by having to isolate due to testing positive (and nothing more) for the virus. Yeah. There have been a few occasions when half a squad has been wiped out with food poisoning or whatever haven't there. Off the top of my head I think there have been times when games have been called off and times when they've gone ahead. Obviously it's a more likely scenario at the moment, and would likely last much longer than one game. I guess they'd just analyse it case by case (and hope for the best). I guess you could say even if there are some cases approaching your description it's still fairer than having teams relegated or promoted now, with a chunk of the season unplayed.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Jun 9, 2020 22:00:46 GMT
He’s 50 and he’s not a fat bastard. The chances are he’ll be absolutely fine.
It is worrying that potentially a number of the squad may test positive in the next few days and we’ll be depleted for the Reading game, only for Adam to bang in a 30 yarder past fumbler Davies.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 9, 2020 22:34:40 GMT
Extremely bad news for us.
He's single handedly turned us into a decent team after 4 years of decline.
I hope he's OK, really like the bloke.
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Post by Groundhog Day on Jun 9, 2020 23:06:01 GMT
Not a mention of it on BBC News tonight. Obviously not important.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 9, 2020 23:13:35 GMT
Firstly, in case there is any doubt, my thoughts are with him and fingers crossed he's okay.
However if the club aren't making some approach to the EFL we ought to be. I've been against a restart on multiple grounds from the off. But this is a farcical situation. First game back without a manager in our position, we should be moaning our ballbag off to the EFL about playing on the 20th.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 10, 2020 0:03:05 GMT
I hope we won't be using the same Doctors who gave a diagnosis on Demba Ba's knee. We have to get this one right.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 10, 2020 0:10:54 GMT
This is not football. This is not fun. This is not entertainment.
Scrap the lot.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 10, 2020 0:15:39 GMT
Just shows that rest of this season is going to be a lottery.
Money.....nothing else driving this stupidity.
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Post by Sfance on Jun 10, 2020 1:30:31 GMT
It may well be that the renewed season will have all sorts of problems with players getting the virus, but the players who don’t want to run the risk of infection can presumably opt out. I don’t think that’s a reason not to go ahead. Shit happens all the time in arbitrary ways to arbitrary people. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. The classic example is Man U in 1958. Lost 4/5 of their team in Munich .... and still went on to win their first game following the disaster!! I say “play on.”
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Post by markytcd on Jun 10, 2020 1:31:02 GMT
They've never suspended games before when managers have been ill, it's happened a hundred times I think the difference here PL, is, is he so ill that the can't actually coach his players (the examples you are talking about), or is he perfectly capable of coaching his players but he is being banned from his club because he's perceived as being a threat to others? Firstly, I hope MON and his family are well and recover fully. Surely this situation completely undermines the "touch line ban" or "banned from the stadium" punishment for managers. The authorities must claim this is a punitive response to bad managerial behavior and hence wants to put the team at a disadvantage, yet now we and other teams are potentially being made to play under the same constraints! Farcical!
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Post by thevoid on Jun 10, 2020 2:09:34 GMT
You'll beat this, Michael. You're a winner. And we need you better 👍
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 10, 2020 4:12:59 GMT
Why is it okay for League 1 and 2 to just stop the season now and we have to carry on? Is it honestly just down to money and TV contracts? If so, it's disgraceful.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2020 4:27:49 GMT
Why is it okay for League 1 and 2 to just stop the season now and we have to carry on? Is it honestly just down to money and TV contracts? If so, it's disgraceful. It's only down to money and TV contracts
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Post by MadridStokie on Jun 10, 2020 5:42:41 GMT
How have tens of thousands of people caught it? Why haven't millions? Who says millions have not, they probably have in this country. Now it is being reported that Wuhan had the virus in August due to hospital movements suddenly increasing from that point. Spain reckon they had it in November (which is probably right if a cause of the early spread was the military Olympic Games in Wuhan in October) so this has been around for more months than just since Feb / Mar when lockdowns began. Early extrapolated results from antibody tests here suggest probably at least 4 million people have had it but surely it is going to be a lot more.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 10, 2020 5:50:11 GMT
Why is it okay for League 1 and 2 to just stop the season now and we have to carry on? Is it honestly just down to money and TV contracts? If so, it's disgraceful. There's a good chance many league one and two clubs won't make it through this without casualties. You have to look at the wider picture. Everyone is getting tested twice a week, it's more safe than going shopping or sending your kids to school.
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Post by wrighter on Jun 10, 2020 5:50:39 GMT
Just imagine we went ahead with the game v Manure and they caught it
Stokes name would be mud, infecting the " Mighty Reds"
MON will be fine, a few pints of Guiness and all will be fine
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 10, 2020 5:54:21 GMT
Almost 300,000 have had confirmed cases in the UK. When you consider that for a couple of months, testing was focused on those in most seriously ill in hospitals, I think it is likely millions of people have had it in moderate, mild or asymptomatic form.
With MON I guess the good news is that it is very unlikely he was showing any symptoms given he felt well enough to travel, which hopefully suggests he’s got a very mild case right now and hopefully it stays that way. But as we’ve seen with Boris Johnson, it’s an absolute lottery how it attacks your body.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 10, 2020 5:56:33 GMT
It may well be that the renewed season will have all sorts of problems with players getting the virus, but the players who don’t want to run the risk of infection can presumably opt out. I don’t think that’s a reason not to go ahead. Shit happens all the time in arbitrary ways to arbitrary people. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. The classic example is Man U in 1958. Lost 4/5 of their team in Munich .... and still went on to win their first game following the disaster!! I say “play on.” A dreadful tragedy, truly amazing that they did carry on with their depleted squad However their opposition were not at risk when playing against them, this is a very different scenario.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 10, 2020 6:15:50 GMT
It might be a struggle to arrange any more friendlies don't you think? Who will risk it?
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