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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 17:38:36 GMT
Thanks for that it's a really decent article from someone who knows all about bad press.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 17:41:55 GMT
Love Island is a symptom not the cause its the deep rooted Andy wharhol fifteen minutes of fame that has crept into society years of telling you can achieve what you wish for without in some cases the need of hard work For instance when I left school the top twenty % or so went to university I wouldn't hesitate to guess the rate now but thousands find themselves droping out Or finding themselves saddled with a useless degree and debt The pressure on the young has never been higher Society is setting thousands up to fail and then sits there and wonders why so many are not content or are unable to cope It’s not just the young a mate of mine at 42 has just come close to killing himself and he doesn’t know why Hope he's ok and talking to mates and loved ones.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 16, 2020 17:52:47 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth Stuff like Instagram is even worse, due to the participation factor. People can view such things as much as they choose. However, they should not expect it to make them happier. I find the best days are the ones without watching TV, listening to the news, or viewing the internet. Probably not for everyone though. Nevertheless, this was a suicide for probably the same reasons that others do the same, and you could argue she had more to fall back on. I don't pretend to know why people with such wealth persist in keeping themselves in the public eye when they could simply take their money and do some travelling in outer Mongolia or somewhere. Going on a crusade against media is not going to stop suicide happening. It's suicide, not murder. And far more complex than mean tweets. Plenty of people kill themselves who have no media exposure. In fact it's epidemic amongst men.
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 16, 2020 17:58:45 GMT
It’s not just the young a mate of mine at 42 has just come close to killing himself and he doesn’t know why Hope he's ok and talking to mates and loved ones. Yeah luckily he spoke out after he had sat for three hours building up to doing the act before work. The only reason he didn’t do it is he thought he might fail so he decided wait until he was sure it would work. He came work and spoke to us about it after breaking down over something work related. He’s a great lad always been a moaner but we had noticed for a few weeks something was different but hadn’t said anything. Made me feel bad for not speaking a bit more open with him about my worries. I made sure to tell him that I was proud of him for asking for help and it was one of the bravest things he could do in reaching out and it I understood how hard and humbling it must have been to talk to his mates and colleagues how he did. I’m not calling suicide a cowards way out or anything like that it’s I can understand how difficult to turn to your loved ones and friends and say I can’t do this anymore and I don’t know why help me must be. Anyway rambling a bit and probably said something to upset somebody when I haven’t meant to, all I’m saying is if anyone on here is worried about somebody or even themselves speak to them or speak out because in my opinion however little it means then you are a decent honest human being. Help isn’t a dirty word it’s a clean honest one Remember Vis unita fortior! Our unite strength is stronger.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 18:11:39 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth Stuff like Instagram is even worse, due to the participation factor. People can view such things as much as they choose. However, they should not expect it to make them happier. I find the best days are the ones without watching TV, listening to the news, or viewing the internet. Probably not for everyone though. Nevertheless, this was a suicide for probably the same reasons that others do the same, and you could argue she had more to fall back on. I don't pretend to know why people with such wealth persist in keeping themselves in the public eye when they could simply take their money and do some travelling in outer Mongolia or somewhere. Going on a crusade against media is not going to stop suicide happening. It's suicide, not murder. And far more complex than mean tweets. Plenty of people kill themselves who have no media exposure. In fact it's epidemic amongst men. A lot of truth in that. Why does a premier league millionaire need to eat a chocolate bar on Instagram to make a few more ££££ Two kids chasing the dream of going on live island kill themselves the show goes on Influence Marketing is part of the cause. If you have millions of Instagram followers how can you expect to keep any of your private life private or get on the moral high ground about press intrusion it seems a bit rich to me. And imo the amount of press intrusion is another part of the wider debate.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2020 18:42:24 GMT
Love Island is a despicable program & the sooner it & programs like it are £@#&ed 0££ the better. Killing a generation of youth Stuff like Instagram is even worse, due to the participation factor. People can view such things as much as they choose. However, they should not expect it to make them happier. I find the best days are the ones without watching TV, listening to the news, or viewing the internet. Probably not for everyone though. Nevertheless, this was a suicide for probably the same reasons that others do the same, and you could argue she had more to fall back on. I don't pretend to know why people with such wealth persist in keeping themselves in the public eye when they could simply take their money and do some travelling in outer Mongolia or somewhere. Going on a crusade against media is not going to stop suicide happening. It's suicide, not murder. And far more complex than mean tweets. Plenty of people kill themselves who have no media exposure. In fact it's epidemic amongst men. I watched my 1st Kardashian program the other week. I turned the sound off & feel it made no difference to its output. It’s vacuous $#!t of the $#!ttest order. I see she is too posh to push or even carry a baby now & gets a womb to do the work for her, the same as Robbie! FFS, He’s from Stoke. How far from reality has he fallen. Wombs for hire, it’s worse than wet-nursing🤱🏻
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 18:50:19 GMT
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 18:53:13 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last.
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 18:55:07 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful. Well hopefully it will facilitate a discussion on the subject which is long overdue. With press freedom comes press responsibility. To take these buggers on you need deep pockets not to mention a secure mobile phone
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 19:01:37 GMT
They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful. Well hopefully it will facilitate a discussion on the subject which is long overdue. With press freedom comes press responsibility. To take these buggers on you need deep pockets not to mention a secure mobile phone If they can do it to Diana they’re untouchable.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 19:06:31 GMT
Well hopefully it will facilitate a discussion on the subject which is long overdue. With press freedom comes press responsibility. To take these buggers on you need deep pockets not to mention a secure mobile phone If they can do it to Diana they’re untouchable. I'm pleased that 38 degrees are having a go because no politician can put their heads above the parapet. Any profession, and I use the word in it's loosest sense, that uses phone hacking deserves everything that it gets.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2020 19:06:45 GMT
Well hopefully it will facilitate a discussion on the subject which is long overdue. With press freedom comes press responsibility. To take these buggers on you need deep pockets not to mention a secure mobile phone If they can do it to Diana they’re untouchable. 🎣
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 16, 2020 19:24:17 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful. Yes it's disgraceful But if no one bought the shit or viewed it on line they'd soon stop doing it The unfortunate thing is that a large amount of people are happy to be voyeurs of others misery than look to why they are finding the need to escape there problems
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 16, 2020 19:32:11 GMT
Thanks for that it's a really decent article from someone who knows all about bad press. A lot of accuracy in that article and in particular that suicide is sadly not an uncommon issue at all for many, many families.
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 19:36:21 GMT
They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful. Yes it's disgraceful But if no one bought the shit or viewed it on line they'd soon stop doing it The unfortunate thing is that a large amount of people are happy to be voyeurs of others misery than look to why they are finding the need to escape there problems Media is far more than magazines nowadays.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2020 19:37:12 GMT
Thanks for that it's a really decent article from someone who knows all about bad press. What, The wife beater. Cnut brought it upon hiself
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 16, 2020 19:41:19 GMT
They do it to anyone they can just to make a story. It’s fucking disgraceful. Yes it's disgraceful But if no one bought the shit or viewed it on line they'd soon stop doing it The unfortunate thing is that a large amount of people are happy to be voyeurs of others misery than look to why they are finding the need to escape there problems Exactly. When you look at this shit on TV, who the hell commissions it and more importantly what does it say about the average fuckwit who is glued to this crap. They must do their market research on a bunch of Vicky Pollard chavs to get the ok for these sort of programmes. Wish we could go back to when you knew what you were going to watch, I.e. it was a drama, it was a comedy, a film, a news programme, factual entertainment, sport,educational, etc. As suggested, I think voyeurs who can’t see it for what is is have some gaps in their lives.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2020 19:44:33 GMT
Yes it's disgraceful But if no one bought the shit or viewed it on line they'd soon stop doing it The unfortunate thing is that a large amount of people are happy to be voyeurs of others misery than look to why they are finding the need to escape there problems Exactly. When you look at this shit on TV, who the hell commissions it and more importantly what does it say about the average fuckwit who is glued to this crap. They must do their market research on a bunch of Vicky Pollard chavs to get the ok for these sort of programmes. Wish we could go back to when you knew what you were going to watch, I.e. it was a drama, it was a comedy, a film, a news programme, factual entertainment, sport,educational, etc. As suggested, I think voyeurs who can’t see it for what is is have some gaps in their lives. Brexit!
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 16, 2020 19:50:34 GMT
Exactly. When you look at this shit on TV, who the hell commissions it and more importantly what does it say about the average fuckwit who is glued to this crap. They must do their market research on a bunch of Vicky Pollard chavs to get the ok for these sort of programmes. Wish we could go back to when you knew what you were going to watch, I.e. it was a drama, it was a comedy, a film, a news programme, factual entertainment, sport,educational, etc. As suggested, I think voyeurs who can’t see it for what is is have some gaps in their lives. Brexit! Consumerism! It’s all an advert to buy something or to look like someone. It’s all placement and falsehoods
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Post by zerps on Feb 16, 2020 19:51:27 GMT
Tbf I’ve often thought that everyone wants to look like me
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 19:53:39 GMT
Thanks for that it's a really decent article from someone who knows all about bad press. What, The wife beater. Cnut brought it upon hiself And judging by her ex boyfriends account and charges pending against the current boyfriend a similar tale
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Post by salopstick on Feb 16, 2020 19:58:16 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. I think it’s dangerous to just blame the media for this. Laura Whitmore was blaming trolls and media today There is no self responsibility from anyone. Here we have a woman with over a 2 million instagram followers posting a picture last year saying she’s had a few issues You get the usual “your so brave etc” replies but continues to post photos of her self oh so glamorous, red carpets etc. She obviously needed help but I have not seen her management pulling her out and looking after her Instead she then allegedly assaulted her partner with a lamp. I’m not heartless and it’s tragic what happened but people are using this to have some sort of faux condolences with an excuse to blame the media 100% and it’s not 100% the case
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 16, 2020 20:22:40 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. I think it’s dangerous to just blame the media for this. Laura Whitmore was blaming trolls and media today There is no self responsibility from anyone. Here we have a woman with over a 2 million instagram followers posting a picture last year saying she’s had a few issues You get the usual “your so brave etc” replies but continues to post photos of her self oh so glamorous, red carpets etc. She obviously needed help but I have not seen her management pulling her out and looking after her Instead she then allegedly assaulted her partner with a lamp. I’m not heartless and it’s tragic what happened but people are using this to have some sort of faux condolences with an excuse to blame the media 100% and it’s not 100% the case Laura Whitmore her good friend who took her job probably not even considered the impact of that but yes hacked off are outta of the gates pushing their agenda before she is even buried, already lagging behind the assorted left wing political commentators trying to settle election scores.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 20:29:46 GMT
Caroline's Law. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/flacks-law?share=1277ba1d-0c2b-4fd9-b3d1-8d5581ca5aca&source=twitter-share-email-button&time=1581861582Sections of the British press & media act with impunity, and more recently there have been a number of cases where they have sought to sensationalise the misfortune of individuals (mainly those already in the public eye, but not always so) to the catastrophic detriment of the individuals' mental welfare. The Jeremy Kyle show, and Caroline Flack being recent examples. We'll never truly know all of the things that were going on in Caroline's mind when she took the decision to take her life. But we do know that sections of the media were quite happy to drag her life through the wringer purely in order to sell a few more papers and it's just not right. What price a life? This isn't the first time this has happened, and I'm concerned that without a new law, it won't be the last. I think it’s dangerous to just blame the media for this. Laura Whitmore was blaming trolls and media today There is no self responsibility from anyone. Here we have a woman with over a 2 million instagram followers posting a picture last year saying she’s had a few issues You get the usual “your so brave etc” replies but continues to post photos of her self oh so glamorous, red carpets etc. She obviously needed help but I have not seen her management pulling her out and looking after her Instead she then allegedly assaulted her partner with a lamp. I’m not heartless and it’s tragic what happened but people are using this to have some sort of faux condolences with an excuse to blame the media 100% and it’s not 100% the case I agree there is more than just the media at fault here, and management may well have ignored signs etc, but this being a wake up call for media outlets preying on people's private issues and smearing them constantly over weeks, months, years is a good thing. It needs to be stopped.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 22:12:05 GMT
We have a society of people who crave publicity then complain when unwanted stories are published. Don't buy into this Diana nonsense, she couldn't get enough press around her when needed, I'm shaking an AIDS victim's hand, look at my land mine work then leave me alone in my private life even though I sold my soul and spilled the dirt on TV.
Didn't this beautiful soul seriously injure someone? I'm sure roles reversed would have been a different outlook on the domestic abuse front
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 22:18:58 GMT
We have a society of people who crave publicity then complain when unwanted stories are published. Don't buy into this Diana nonsense, she couldn't get enough press around her when needed, I'm shaking an AIDS victim's hand, look at my land mine work then leave me alone in my private life even though I sold my soul and spilled the dirt on TV. Didn't this beautiful soul seriously injure someone? I'm sure roles reversed would have been a different outlook on the domestic abuse front You’re using her campaign to highlight the plight of AIDS victims and those who had their lives changed by land mines as examples of her courting the limelight, really?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 22:29:00 GMT
We have a society of people who crave publicity then complain when unwanted stories are published. Don't buy into this Diana nonsense, she couldn't get enough press around her when needed, I'm shaking an AIDS victim's hand, look at my land mine work then leave me alone in my private life even though I sold my soul and spilled the dirt on TV. Didn't this beautiful soul seriously injure someone? I'm sure roles reversed would have been a different outlook on the domestic abuse front You’re using her campaign to highlight the plight of AIDS victims and those who had their lives changed by land mines as examples of her courting the limelight, really? How did Diana walking through an area of cleared landmines change the work of the HALO trust? A case of someone jumping on a charity. Good job she highlighted AIDS as no-one was aware of it. Her shaking the landmine victim's hands was truly a great help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 22:45:54 GMT
You’re using her campaign to highlight the plight of AIDS victims and those who had their lives changed by land mines as examples of her courting the limelight, really? How did Diana walking through an area of cleared landmines change the work of the HALO trust? A case of someone jumping on a charity. Good job she highlighted AIDS as no-one was aware of it. Her shaking the landmine victim's hands was truly a great help. I hope to God you’re not in charge of a major charity.....
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Post by starkiller on Feb 16, 2020 22:48:43 GMT
Let me just categorically state that it wasn't my fault.
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